Parabolan (Tren Hex) vs. Ace & Enth

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Originally Posted by bigpapapumpaf

Para has a longer half life than the other 2 esters, so it slowly builds in the body making large doses unnecessary.
The different esters of tren are absorbed by the body differently and so how the function in the body is different. Tren hex was the only tren developed for human use. The difference back then and today is that tren ace was developed for cattle and body builders figured out how to pull the tren ester out and absorb thru the skin of inject. It has about a 2 day half life. Tren eth has a half life of about 7 days and tren hex about 2 wks.

Why does all of this matter? No clue..LOL! Serioulsy I look at it like this, if you release a shit ton of anything into your body quickly, you will have a reaction, hence why ace has so many side effects. Eth will last longer but I think being 7 days, its effective life is not optimal for us. Hex lasting 2 wks gives you the ability to gradually have it build in the body. The size of the esters as it realtes to the compound also make them absorb differently.

I think 2 pins of hex a week is more than enough for 99% of the people here. Be that 76.5 mg or 100 mg per injection. Think of it as comparing test prop to test cyp if you will. I personally hate test prop and it does nothing for me.

BPP

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Well said!

Max


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Originally Posted by bigpapapumpaf

Para has a longer half life than the other 2 esters, so it slowly builds in the body making large doses unnecessary.
The different esters of tren are absorbed by the body differently and so how the function in the body is different. Tren hex was the only tren developed for human use. The difference back then and today is that tren ace was developed for cattle and body builders figured out how to pull the tren ester out and absorb thru the skin of inject. It has about a 2 day half life. Tren eth has a half life of about 7 days and tren hex about 2 wks.

Why does all of this matter? No clue..LOL! Serioulsy I look at it like this, if you release a shit ton of anything into your body quickly, you will have a reaction, hence why ace has so many side effects. Eth will last longer but I think being 7 days, its effective life is not optimal for us. Hex lasting 2 wks gives you the ability to gradually have it build in the body. The size of the esters as it realtes to the compound also make them absorb differently.

I think 2 pins of hex a week is more than enough for 99% of the people here. Be that 76.5 mg or 100 mg per injection. Think of it as comparing test prop to test cyp if you will. I personally hate test prop and it does nothing for me.

BPP

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Question: You say it has a longer half life making larger doses unnecessary. It has a longer half life because of the heavier ester which actually takes away from the active compound you get mg vs mg when compared to acetate. Also, test E or C is a long ester and yet people take a large dose of this and typically take a smaller dose of test prop. Can you explain what you're meaning here?

Most people say test is test right? I see you're not in that camp. What don't you like about prop and how have you dosed it?

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Originally Posted by maxmuscle1

I’ve made many threads on this subject. All tren works well. It boils down to experimentation. IME/IMO, Ace is the strongest, Enanthate is strong, and Hex quite unique and tolerated best. You kind of get the best of both worlds.

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You got me thinking...
It's the long ester build up. Steady, consistent release. No sudden dosage spikes like Ace. Enanthate is better than Ace for sides because of the slower release. Less jarring to the system. I find Enth sides peak after about 8 weeks and usually relax or subside at the 10th week.
I can see how and why Parabolan was created for human consumption. When you factor in the complexities of the human anatomy, it's the only legitimate way of safely using Trenbolone. I can see why Ace works wonderfully for cattle, but we're a little more complicated and less controlled.
I'm sold for my next Tren cycle. Hex it is.

~If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.~

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Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Question: You say it has a longer half life making larger doses unnecessary. It has a longer half life because of the heavier ester which actually takes away from the active compound you get mg vs mg when compared to acetate. Also, test E or C is a long ester and yet people take a large dose of this and typically take a smaller dose of test prop. Can you explain what you're meaning here?

Most people say test is test right? I see you're not in that camp. What don't you like about prop and how have you dosed it?

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Again I am not a chemical engineer but I think the rate at which hex is absorbed in the body is what makes it better (for me) than the other 2 esters. Maybe call it a slow burn. If you're trying to stay warm on a cold night and sitting beside a fire, toss a can of gas on a fire and it is consumed quickly and gets very hot whereas burn some good old white oak and it will burn all night long and keep you warm all night long.

I have long tried to tell people that get the dreaded tren rage that it is because their prolactin spikes which causes an estrogen spike and they do not take the proper anti prolactin drugs to level it out. Your body can not go thru this yo-yo action without giving you the sides. I happen to like tren ace but I prepare my body for it and have limited sides up to about 50 mg EOD. Any more than that and I get insomnia and cranky. Eth is OK but gives me for lack of proper definition blood sugar issues about 3 wks in. Its a complicated and (over my head) thing as to how much and when the compounds are absorbed. Hex as I have said I suffer zero side effects at 100 mg a week, I can bump to 200 but see no need to so at this time.

I do not think test is test. Look at Sust as an example. What kicks the sust off is test phenyl prop and to me, TPP is the king of all test but that's another story. If you're a prop fan, give it a whirl and you will see what I mean. I used to run TPP and tren Ace at 50mg/50mg at 50 mg EOD. That was as good a stack as I've ever taken. If I could find someone willing, I would make TPP and Hex combo and cost for life on it. TPP is a relitively short ester like prop but is an amazing compound.

BPP

Hex and enanthate are identical other than a week half life more on hex. There is literally no difference.


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Originally Posted by cherrybombfitnes

Hex and enanthate are identical other than a few days half life more on hex. There is literally no difference.


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Based on your experience or the internet? There is a night and day difference.

BPP

It has less sides and is a more stable blood level because of the long ester. But it’s not “human grade” or any of difference than that. Basically you are just lowering your usual enanthate dosage and you run it longer so you get steady gains with less sides. You could just do a smaller dose of enanthate and pin one extra time during the week.


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Originally Posted by bigpapapumpaf

Based on your experience or the internet? There is a night and day difference.

BPP

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Based on 11 years experience and that it’s a fact.


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Originally Posted by bigpapapumpaf

Based on your experience or the internet? There is a night and day difference.

BPP

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The compound in tren hex is identical. The ester is the only difference.


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Originally Posted by bigpapapumpaf

Based on your experience or the internet? There is a night and day difference.

BPP

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I’m not saying you won’t maybe get different results but that’s only because you are able to run it differently and blood levels stay consistent. The tren in it is just tren.


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