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Gonna do my 1st Tren cycle soon.
Originally Posted by
cherrybombfitnes
And I’ll reiterate that nolvadex isn’t needed for ANY cycle or steroid. It’s a primitive drug and could be totally done away with and the steroid community would be great. Clomid is a better SERM and meant to replace nolvadex a LONG time ago. And even clomid is t the right tool for the job.
Aromasin
Arimidex
Caber
Pramipexole is primitive too but at least it actually is made for lowering prolactin
Nolvadex may as well fall off the map.
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Arimidex is weak and even using .5mg eod still gave me gyno so using nolvadex will reverse gyno and It had worked very well for me and others.
I think you don’t understand the types of gyno and what each drugs do to help it.
To say nolvadex won’t help with gyno is complete BS.
To each their own.
If you’re going to give advice on something, try finding studies done on human instead of mice.
I’m just giving my personal experience and what others have experienced (human experiences not mice). Take it like it is.
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Originally Posted by
yoshi925
Arimidex is weak and even using .5mg eod still gave me gyno so using nolvadex will reverse gyno and It had worked very well for me and others.
I think you don’t understand the types of gyno and what each drugs do to help it.
To say nolvadex won’t help with gyno is complete BS.
To each their own.
If you’re going to give advice on something, try finding studies done on human instead of mice.
I’m just giving my personal experience and what others have experienced (human experiences not mice). Take it like it is.
You keep misquoting me. I never said nolva doesn’t help gyno. That’s not even what we have been discussing. We are discussing using nolvadex in place of an AI and/or cabergoline. Treating gyno and preventing it are two different ball games.
I’m aware of the different ways one can get gyno.
What I’m discussing is when you are telling him he doesn’t need anything but nolvadex for prolactin control because that’s what you do. There are drugs for each of these types of gyno but you’re saying nolvadex covers all the bases which is just you ASSUMING it will be the same for everyone which is wreckless. If someone takes your advice and gets gyno are you going to cover his surgery? Lol
If this was a debate on recreational drugs it would be like you telling someone “yeah take 10 tabs of acid, I did it and it’s not so bad” and then me saying “don’t take 10 tabs, take 1 and then figure out how you react and then assess and adjust”
When you give advice on dangerous things you should be cautious and conservative and make sure you are saying it accurately. Don’t say, “nolvadex is all you need with a 19-nor because it works for me”
Say “this is what I do, and it works for me, but you should use this or this and see what works for you but don’t depend on nolvadex because I have no idea if it will work for you the same”.
There’s a right way and a wrong way and there’s a grey area as well but you have no idea where that person will be on the scale so the advice you’re giving could hurt him if he isn’t like you. You’re mice vs. human argument is neither here nor there. NO TWO PEOPLE ARE THE SAME SO DO NOT GIVE UNORTHODOX recommendations that could hurt someone if you’re wrong. Period.
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Gonna do my 1st Tren cycle soon.
Originally Posted by
cherrybombfitnes
You keep misquoting me. I never said nolva doesn’t help gyno. That’s not even what we have been discussing. We are discussing using nolvadex in place of an AI and/or cabergoline. Treating gyno and preventing it are two different ball games.
I’m aware of the different ways one can get gyno.
What I’m discussing is when you are telling him he doesn’t need anything but nolvadex for prolactin control because that’s what you do. There are drugs for each of these types of gyno but you’re saying nolvadex covers all the bases which is just you ASSUMING it will be the same for everyone which is wreckless. If someone takes your advice and gets gyno are you going to cover his surgery? Lol
If this was a debate on recreational drugs it would be like you telling someone “yeah take 10 tabs of acid, I did it and it’s not so bad” and then me saying “don’t take 10 tabs, take 1 and then figure out how you react and then assess and adjust”
When you give advice on dangerous things you should be cautious and conservative and make sure you are saying it accurately. Don’t say, “nolvadex is all you need with a 19-nor because it works for me”
Say “this is what I do, and it works for me, but you should use this or this and see what works for you but don’t depend on nolvadex because I have no idea if it will work for you the same”.
There’s a right way and a wrong way and there’s a grey area as well but you have no idea where that person will be on the scale so the advice you’re giving could hurt him if he isn’t like you. You’re mice vs. human argument is neither here nor there. NO TWO PEOPLE ARE THE SAME SO DO NOT GIVE UNORTHODOX recommendations that could hurt someone if you’re wrong. Period.
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When did I say take nolvadex will cover all bases? SMH GTFOH
Also how are you even in your right mind discussing about taking nolvadex in place of an AI?
You do understand the difference between a SERM and AI right? They are not the same and they both do different things.
Let me explain and make it simple so you can understand.
A SERM like Nolvadex is used to block estrogen receptors so estrogen doesn’t bind to.
An AI such as arimidex will reduce the conversions of estrogen. When you shoot up testosterone your body will balance your estrogen with the higher testosterone levels. Although an AI will reduce the estrogen conversions, it’s not 100% and you will still get estrogen binding to the receptors which wouldn’t have happen if you taken nolvadex. Yes you can up your AI but that will be a trial an error attempt as you have to play around with dosage and draw bloods. Some may even crash their estrogen when increasing AI.
The topic was is it ok to take nolvadex while on tren and the answer is yes if you’re prone to testosterone gyno because you obviously need to run testosterone with tren.
Now if you have prolactin gyno from tren then you need to take caber but still take nolvadex if you’re prone to testosterone gyno.
You giving advice about nolvadex making it worst is horrible advice. So if someone running tren and testosterone got gyno which was estrogen related you telling them nolvadex will make it worst is flat out stupid advice. Are you going to pay for their gyno surgery?
Where do you get your information from? You shouldn’t be on here spewing out non sense.
Last edited by yoshi925; 06-19-2019 at 12:03 AM.
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Originally Posted by
yoshi925
When did I say take nolvadex will cover all bases? SMH GTFOH
Also how are you even in your right mind discussing about taking nolvadex in place of an AI?
You do understand the difference between a SERM and AI right? They are not the same and they both do different things.
Let me explain and make it simple so you can understand.
A SERM like Nolvadex is used to block estrogen receptors so estrogen doesn’t bind to.
An AI such as arimidex will reduce the conversions of estrogen. When you shoot up testosterone your body will balance your estrogen with the higher testosterone levels. Although an AI will reduce the estrogen conversions, it’s not 100% and you will still get estrogen binding to the receptors which wouldn’t have happen if you taken nolvadex. Yes you can up your AI but that will be a trial an error attempt as you have to play around with dosage and draw bloods. Some may even crash their estrogen when increasing AI.
The topic was is it ok to take nolvadex while on tren and the answer is yes if you’re prone to testosterone gyno because you obviously need to run testosterone with tren.
Now if you have prolactin gyno from tren then you need to take caber but still take nolvadex if you’re prone to testosterone gyno.
You giving advice about nolvadex making it worst is horrible advice. So if someone running tren and testosterone got gyno which was estrogen related you telling them nolvadex will make it worst is flat out stupid advice. Are you going to pay for their gyno surgery?
Where do you get your information from? You shouldn’t be on here spewing out non sense.
You clearly haven’t read any of my posts lol or you have trouble with reading comprehension lol
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Originally Posted by
yoshi925
When did I say take nolvadex will cover all bases? SMH GTFOH
Also how are you even in your right mind discussing about taking nolvadex in place of an AI?
You do understand the difference between a SERM and AI right? They are not the same and they both do different things.
Let me explain and make it simple so you can understand.
A SERM like Nolvadex is used to block estrogen receptors so estrogen doesn’t bind to.
An AI such as arimidex will reduce the conversions of estrogen. When you shoot up testosterone your body will balance your estrogen with the higher testosterone levels. Although an AI will reduce the estrogen conversions, it’s not 100% and you will still get estrogen binding to the receptors which wouldn’t have happen if you taken nolvadex. Yes you can up your AI but that will be a trial an error attempt as you have to play around with dosage and draw bloods. Some may even crash their estrogen when increasing AI.
The topic was is it ok to take nolvadex while on tren and the answer is yes if you’re prone to testosterone gyno because you obviously need to run testosterone with tren.
Now if you have prolactin gyno from tren then you need to take caber but still take nolvadex if you’re prone to testosterone gyno.
You giving advice about nolvadex making it worst is horrible advice. So if someone running tren and testosterone got gyno which was estrogen related you telling them nolvadex will make it worst is flat out stupid advice. Are you going to pay for their gyno surgery?
Where do you get your information from? You shouldn’t be on here spewing out non sense.
Id say use nolva during pct for the most part.. combined with Clomid...more beneficial...as far as during cycle... it's a selective estrogen release modulator...so coupled with arimidex ..i think you could still have conversion .there for id say just eliminate both and go with a suicide inhibitor aromasin...#simplicity...course some people dont tolerate one or the other ...also nolva comes with some sides like lowered igf levels..not sure if it would help one way or another on prolactin issues...course rumor has it long as E2 in check. Prolactin shouldn't be an issue.... but I don't think that's necessary true Case by case...
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It is all fiction.. I don't condone any of it in real life. I am not a professional or medical doctor just a figment of your imagination
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Also, if arimidex is too weak then bump the dose or try aromasin which is a suicidal inhibitor. Nolvadex was used as estrogen control in the 80s and 90s. Bone up on modern drugs.
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Dude... you haven’t read my posts lol and if you did you wouldn’t be saying what you’re saying because I didn’t say ANY of that.
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Have a nice day bro. I can’t have a discussion with someone who isn’t going to read and is unwilling to consider that they might be wrong. What you are saying proves you haven’t read a single word that I posted. How long have you been using aas? And how old are you?
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BecUse if you’ve been using longer than I have then it’s sad how little you have actually tried to educate yourself because every time you post you sound dumber. You’re being defensive Instead of considering what is being said.
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And the fact that you still use nolva as an AI is crazy. Are you 60? Have you researched AI’s and prolactin drugs???
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