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    Thread: The Great Oral Debate: Anadrol vs. Dianabol

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      Quote Originally Posted by bhcolex50x View Post
      i think in like august or september i want to run test p, npp, dbol, drol sounds like a solid blast eh?
      It sounds great.......How long of a run are you planning?

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      Quote Originally Posted by beanlicker View Post
      Anadrol vs. Dianabol - methandrostenolone -
      The Great Oral Debate: Anadrol vs. Dianabol
      By Gavin Kane

      For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by Dianabol - methandrostenolone - and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.

      Anadrol (oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960’s by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990’s.

      Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex.

      Dianabol (methandrostenolone) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most por oral steroids of all time, exploding in pority in the 1970’s with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980’s. It somewhat waned during the 1990’s with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000’s with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.
      Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. gynecomastia will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.

      Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.

      So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.

      On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.

      Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?

      The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.

      My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.

      Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar to high doses of each but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -durabolin.

      I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol.

      I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.
      What pct protocol did u end this with?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Enigmatic707 View Post
      There are a few blends I've seen-


      TNE - 100mg
      Drol-75mg
      Dbol-75mg

      Talk about a fucking potent preworkout stim-
      No doubt man....
      I'm gonna try some....

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      Quote Originally Posted by beanlicker View Post
      OK, when you referred to them as liquid is instead of oils or injectables, it implied to me that you were discussing liquid orals.

      Injectable dbol is still methylated, so liver toxicity is still an issue.

      Ensure your blood work is done regularly when running these compounds, oral or injectible.
      My bad bro I'm still learning the language....lol
      Is injectable anadrol methylated?
      Would this be a bad ass pre work out or what?

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      Alright, for me Oxymethelone any day! It is by far one of my favirote hormones. Last time I ran dianabol I had a SEVERE cystic acne break out on shoulders and back....im talking mega nasty. Tried again at 30mg and same thing, just not quiet as bad. The first Abombs I tried were those big green octagon ones from overseas i think. ...about 80% people will favor danabol but theres a secret. There is an art to proper oxymethelone abuse. The first time I took it I got hellish water retention around ankles and joints, gained mega weight and aggression in gym, did have a slight increase in blood pressure....i took it wrong. I swear by this, it makes abombs pretty awsome. I drink loads more water with them and keep really low sodium diet, the elevated blood pressure was from a mass amount of sat fat I was eating, so I replaced as many calories as I could with good poly/mono fats (olive oil, flax, fish, nuts ect.) A lot less water gain with the same slight aggression and strong strength gains. Nice pumped muscles when enough carbohydrates are available. I have taken dbol about 5-6 diff cycles and anadrol about 6-8 times. I also like to taper an extra week on anadrol, maybe its in my mind but I feel like I keep more of the mass. Usually 75mg for 5 weeks and 25mg sixth week.

      EQUATION* QUALITY ANADROL + Atleast 2 gal water/day, Low Sodium, healthy fats, lowered sat fat+75mg-100mg anadrol= MEGA GAINS

      Dont get me wrong, I am not discrediting dianabol because of my bad experience, but I will say when used properly I think anadrol is a better bang for the buck. And I know, I know the famous quote "mg for mg dianbol is ? more potent than anadrol". I have to say that is no valid point because these are two different compounds that act through different pathways. I got great gains off dbol too, maybe with a strict intake regime like the one for anadrol they would have been better...but def more water overall with dianbol. More strength with anadrol for sure! And responds well with increased calories....i have gained a ass ton of weight on this stuff....kept some too.

      Just my experiences,

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      And yes, my friend is a surgeon and told me that injectable medications pass tjhrough the liver faster than orals...injecting a compound simply by passes the stomach , but once the compound is in the blodd it goes through kidney heart, ect. He told me about a guy who had methenol poisoning all fucked up. the had to save his kidneys and liver, the quickest way was injecting some shit intramuscular in order to get to liver faster.
      Injectable anadrol still effects liver. Trust me if it didnt, I would be on like 12 weeks abomb cycles


      ...there was a study were 50 AIDS patients took 50mg oxymethelone for 6 weeks and liver enzymes were normal.....the other group tokk 100mg for 6 weeks and the liver values were significantly elevated.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bigdude View Post
      What pct protocol did u end this with?
      PCT was 4 weeks of clomid and nolva. But IMO the proper dose of aromasin, HCG and plenty of water during cycle is just as important as your pct.

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      Quote Originally Posted by bigdude View Post
      My bad bro I'm still learning the language....lol
      Is injectable anadrol methylated?
      Would this be a bad ass pre work out or what?
      The BEST Pre workout ever is TNE with drol. Fucking awsome.

      ...and yes still methylated

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      Quote Originally Posted by bhcolex50x View Post
      i think in like august or september i want to run test p, npp, dbol, drol sounds like a solid blast eh?
      I ran test deca dbol drol for 16 weeks orals for 6 and it was great

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      i used adrol once. didn't like the sides at all... would rather use tbol or var as orals....

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