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      Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)

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      Trenbolone and the relation with "Bad Dreams"


      Understanding the subconscious mind and dreams while on Trenbolone,what's the deal,and is there really a connection?
      (Everything expressed in this article is merely my option on the topic,and just a suggested approach to conciser regarding AAS/and subconsciousness)

      What's the connection between AAS and the subconscious mind and dreams (especially tren),is the subconscious mind the one responsible for the dreams we get or does TREN really play a pivotal role here?

      Here I will attempt to provide an illustration with the intent to better understand the relationship between our subconscious mind and Trenbolone/AAS..

      There's a reasonable explanations and studies surrounding the connection between AAS and lucid dreams... Due to the increase in androgen levels and with some DHT's (depending on the nature of its binding affinity), there's a sense of alertness within the brains secretions and sensitivities within the neurotransmitters, with this said; your not actually having vivid dreams or amplified dreams for that matter, but its more based around your ability to actually "REMEMBER" your dreams in close detail..The dreams you mostly been having all along!

      Tren/andros/AAS have a huge impact, partially due to the presence of brain secretions..Numerous sleep studies have been conducted in regards to the affects and expression with hormones sleep,yet it's still greatly misunderstood..

      Many things are present in the equation here..Especially the presence of andros which provided us with the ability to remember our dreams UPON WAKING UP (I'll explain this later), I'm not talking about being asleep and aware that its a dream "lucid state", because most users report that the dreams they have feel very much real, in fact some stating they are waking up from a dream with in a dream being utterly confused, or scared that what they experience during this state seems very much real!

      In most normal instances upon waking up, we tend to forget more dreams from/during REM, due to the lower level/presence of norepinephrine upon waking up..Now, under andro treatment/AAS usages or intake there's an elevation (also while/when we sleep) and these levels provided us with the ability to recall our dreams (for a short duration,I'll explain how/why we forget dreams later)..Especially while taking tren, this neuro chemical is what also may cause stress and added anxiety in some tren users and the loss of sleep/sleeplessness, also the higher presence will make dreams seem/feel more vivid...

      Upon my research I found many reasonable explanations to conciser, as scientist are still left without definitive answers in regards to sleep, we are still left in the dark so to speak and the same applies to AAS, as we are just merely scratching the surface, we truly lack a broad understanding of the effects of AAS and synthesis concerning hormones on molecular level, studies are always contradicting one an other as more and more are being conducted..We don't understand the total picture yet..

      Here's my findings and research, this is merely MY OPTION to the subject at hand.

      What I find absolutely fascinating is how we're unknowingly able to manufacture dreams, as scientist are still learning and suggest it's the process of our memories with things we've seen, heard, done or thought throughout our day/past and the brain tries to process this, with memories and such, attempting to figuring out what to keep and what to get rid of or what to make sense of..

      In many cases regarding TREN-DREAMS, we often hear one mention wild or sometimes nightmarish dreams and this leaves us with many questions and even at times questioning our mental state! (Have no worries, bizarre and horrid dreams are more common then you think,we just tend to forget and maybe this is for our best)


      Now, the questions is; Why are these dreams so vivid and mostly associated with TREN use? Good question!

      It's argued among many about Tren not being a DHT, but yet it possess every characteristic of DHT, a matter of fact, It over rides DHT compounds by binding to receptors and tissue aggressively within the precedence of other DHT's (with bad attitude,being dominate) at the same time mimicking the same signature, displaying every potential side that DHT possess..Yet, with the same gene expression and just as potent it doesn't convert to DHT (by way of the enzyme 5-alpha reductase) at the same time Tren metabolites share the same pathways if not more pronounces then over DHT alone..There's numerous studies supporting this..

      Where am I going with this?


      Tren with it's overwhelming androgenic proprieties/and metabolite pathways with DTH (a neurosteroids) it has pronounced effect on neurochemistry (enhancing signaling/firing and the pathways within the neurotransmitters) in way of improving neuroactivity (like all androgens do) but not all on the same degree of activation/stimulation some are more pronounced. then others..Let's look at the parameters here with the rating of compounds
      (This is a template to express binding within the static system,internal networks,tissues,receptors, but not directly correlated to skeletal mass,this is merely an example)



      How does this pertain to the topic?

      These steroids mentioned - DHT's (i.e Tren) that posses neuro-properties synthesize in the brain and have effects on brain function, In addition to their actions on neuronal membrane receptors, improving the quality of the channels that cells use to communicate and interact ,DHT also improves spatial working memory by altering NMDA-receptors and functions in the HIPPOCAMPUS (this is very important to the topic)..Tren with its targeting similarities will exert inhibitory actions on neurotransmission, acting as potent positive allosteric modulator of the GABA receptor ( Tren with it's overzealous functions can effect levels of by indirectly decreasing GABAa receptors; this can effect REM and a stable sleep state/environment)..

      Neurosteroids amplify an already established network of communication known as "neurochatter", especially during rest between the Hippocampus - where memories are formed & Neocortex - where memories are permanently stored. During a deep sleep (slow wave sleep) many studies have shown that the Hpp & NCT are perfecting in-sync with one an other, however this is where dreaming does NOT take place, however the neurochatter continues, sharing information back in forth..

      Now, during REM sleep (fast wave) this is where dreams happen (majority)..However the neurochatter continues on, but the neuro's signaling/firing is not at the same time, almost missing each others impulse, like a bad cellular connection,each part of the brain perfectly functional, but no longer in-synce with one an other (Think of 2 lights flashing at the same time very fast, now change the tempo in either direction with both lights, still flashing but not at the same time, missing each other)..
      Because of this we are unable to place a manufactured memory (dream) from the Hippocampus and have it stored permanently in the outer Neocortex of the brain.This doesn't mean dreams are unable to take place,we just no longer have the ability to remember (those flashing lights were out of sync)..
      You may ask yourself "How is it possible that we recall small instances of a dream"? During REM like I mentioned the firing is not in sequence but concurrently, randomly, thus at any given moment these random neuro's may so happen to fire and connect with one-an-other at random(thus recalling small aspects of a dream,bits and pieces,those flashing lights went off at the same time)..


      But, my tren dreams are vivid, I recall detail?!?

      Now, I made mention in regards to "Tren" and its over expressive nature binding with a great affinity and its aggressive nature to effect secretions by over activation with receptors or even suppressing "being counter productive either way" these imbalances may effect sleeping patterns, especially REM..
      This is known as "REM suppression" as Tren may effect the amount of REM sleep that we have, causing a state of REM suppression..
      Now, here's where it get's rather intriguing, this can now become something known as "REM rebound.. During a rested state the body needs stages of sleep cycling, when one stage (REM) is suppressed and someone is unable to obtain an adequate amount of REM, it then becomes bottled down and the pressure to obtain REM builds, then BLAMMO, you have really intense dreams..REM rebound now takes place!


      Now, how are we able to recall these dreams, that are vivid,lucid?

      Because of the neuro-properties of TREN synthesizing the brain and the effects on brain functions, actions within neuronal membrane receptors improving the quality of the channels that cells use to communicate and interact, these expressed function and simultaneously firing between the Hippocampus & Neocortex now stores these manufactures memories permanently in your brain.. Upon waking up and there after, you now posses the ability to recall your dreams in greater detail, as it's a permanent memory so to speak! (a file moved from one area to the next)

      I said prior that on average people manufacture some bizarre dreams and we forget most. Maybe it's not such a bad thing that we forget after all..
      You'll be surprised on what the average person conjures up (out of their own control,pretty scary)..

      Rem rebound posses some of the most bizarre , vivid dreams, nightmarish at times..It's completely out of your control!

      This abstract is merely for educational purposes only, It's just my approach to the topic..If anyone can provide any further findings in regards to this essay, please post, in lieu of circle talking about compounds being DHT's that do not posses the same effects and reactions to the original compound mentioned here (Tren is far aggressive in comparison) ..

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      Wow that was awsome thank you..very interesting i myself am intrigued by my tren dreams some scary sure..but more importantly how real they seem like it really happened like an alternate reality....i get same thing though not nearly as often blasten npp

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      It is all fiction.. I don't condone any of it in real life. I am not a professional or medical doctor just a figment of your imagination

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      Since my son likes to wake up every damn hour I don't think I get into a sleep stage where I have dreams.

      Tren is working though! Really nice post, thank you Vision.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddyperk View Post
      Wow that was awsome thank you..very interesting i myself am intrigued by my tren dreams some scary sure..but more importantly how real they seem like it really happened like an alternate reality....i get same thing though not nearly as often blasten npp

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      Since my son likes to wake up every damn hour I don't think I get into a sleep stage where I have dreams.

      Tren is working though! Really nice post, thank you Vision.
      Whats even scarier is the fact that we have been mostly having these bad dreams a long, we just forget.. Our minds can be a scary place!

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      Quote Originally Posted by SloppyJ View Post
      Since my son likes to wake up every damn hour I don't think I get into a sleep stage where I have dreams.

      Tren is working though! Really nice post, thank you Vision.
      I realize this is about tren but GH may b a very positive thing for your quality of sleep.
      Gh give very vivid realistic dreams without being so demented, at least in my experience.

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      Quote Originally Posted by chadmack282 View Post
      I realize this is about tren but GH may b a very positive thing for your quality of sleep.
      Gh give very vivid realistic dreams without being so demented, at least in my experience.
      My tren dreams arent always demented or scary....sometimes their pretty bitchen....and sometimes their just waaaay the fuck out...i actually miss the tren sleep...when im off....lol ....just soo trippy how ir feels like you really did it like a memory of an alternate reality...crazy....Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)...but yeah when their scary its no joke...man i had one one time i cant even exsplain like my son was dead in a backpackUnderstanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)...he got kidnapped ...fucked me up for few days....last one i remember walking down the street with couple guys and they got ran over and their heads crushed full of juice like fucking watermelons wheew waaay out shit man...

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      It is all fiction.. I don't condone any of it in real life. I am not a professional or medical doctor just a figment of your imagination

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddyperk View Post
      My tren dreams arent always demented or scary....sometimes their pretty bitchen....and sometimes their just waaaay the fuck out...i actually miss the tren sleep...when im off....lol ....just soo trippy how ir feels like you really did it like a memory of an alternate reality...crazy....Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)...but yeah when their scary its no joke...man i had one one time i cant even exsplain like my son was dead in a backpackUnderstanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)Understanding Trenbolone & the relation with "Bad Dreams" (share your tren dreams)...he got kidnapped ...fucked me up for few days....last one i remember walking down the street with couple guys and they got ran over and their heads crushed full of juice like fucking watermelons wheew waaay out shit man...

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      Bro some of these dreams are insane.. I've quite a few of my own but I want to share the story I have a dream from another.. this came from a member on a different message board but it was in my same topic..

      He said he had a dream that he was laying on a lawn chair in his backyard just relaxing,and he had the urge to go inside and go to the bathroom and when he did he looked in the mirror at his face, and I believe he said his face was all contorted and he started ripping off his skin.. and it scared the hell out of him and all the sudden he woke up, and he was back inside of the lawn chair in the backyard..
      He said he was scared shittless of what he just witnessed, and then all the sudden he woke up again, and I believe he was in his bedroom.. so, initially he was having a dream that he had a dream only to wake up from the dream inside of his dream, thinking that was the reality when in the end he really woke up and came back to reality.. he said he was so fucked up from that!!!
      That story was synonymous with me because I have had dreams on Trenbolone where I personally myself was experiencing a dream while having a dream, only to wake up, not being able to tell reality from the dream, then waking up again..

      It was like some matrix shit..

      Not sure if you seen the new Spider-Man, but in the end he experiences a hallucination like that that was brought on by Mysterio, it was completely throwing off his perception of reality with different dimensions..

      I've had dreams like that numerous times on Trenbolone..

      It is the most bizarre feeling you ever get..

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      damn that's some crazy shit lol...havnt had that happen ..far as I can remember...wheeew
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      It is all fiction.. I don't condone any of it in real life. I am not a professional or medical doctor just a figment of your imagination

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      Is it weird that I don't dream when I'm running Tren? Or I just don't remember anyways.
      I had some fucked up weird dreams during my first tren cycle. Now it's nothing. Maybe my body just never reaches that deep REM sleep and would explain a lot of the tired feelings even after getting 8 hours.

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      There are many meds and also mental conditions that allow you to remember your dreams. I say allow you because these are dreams you are already having. I have been on Tren with a condition and on meds so I understand what its like to wake up every 15 min. Approximately 32 times a night. TREN makes no difference to me as I'm already waking up. I can hit rem fast. And wake up faster. Waking up from I'll keep it in layman's terms Dreamworld so many times a night while on Tren and experiencing Trensomnia seems to allow you more opportunity to wake up from dreamworld thus giving you more opportunities to remember your dreams. New meds can report vivid dreams. This generally goes away with time. Sometimes because they put you to sleep to dumb down your symptoms. However you still need the ability to wake up from the dream. Such as a person having trouble staying asleep. TREN, Meds, Mental health all have one thing in common. They all mess with your head. At a low dosage Tren side affects can be eliminated. With an AA ratio of 500/500 it still has its value at a low dosage. But most people want to feel the sides so they can say " hey man this is good shit"

      All real experience like always ^^^
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      Dreams are interesting for sure.
      How many of you have actually tried to go back to sleep and continue the same dream.
      If someone here can remember their first wet dream..wow. quit holding on to the past.
      BGT

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