High Test

**maxmuscle1** · 08-10-2019, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by BearsFan

Im not a pro or any where near but i often wondered why ppl run insane doses of gear. I mean i personally think its like pot after so much theres actual benefit. I'm not a scientist but after your receptors are saturated (which most happen to be in shoulders and traps ) they are saturated.

As far as the jerking off goes , 4x? Thats it I'm in double digit numbers on 125mg. I hit triple digit numbers on a 3 day weekend

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Receptor saturation info:
There is a very common misconception in the bodybuilding community that androgen receptors downregulate during a steroid cycle, or during long-term steroid use.

This diminishing returns effect is not the result of androgen receptor downregulation, although most will misinterpret it as such.

The reason why you can't gain muscle at a rapid pace continuously while on steroids is because Myostatin increases in the body to inhibit your body from gaining an unhealthy amount of muscle.
Steroids actually upregulate androgen receptors, not downregulate. The mechanism by which your body is inhibited from gaining absurd amounts of muscles is not because your androgen receptors are becoming desensitized to the steroids that you're using.
Rather, it's your body's endogenous production of Myostatin is going up.

The body has a counteracting mechanism for everything.

Max

**maxmuscle1** · 08-10-2019, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Behemoth

I let you know before I start Bigkev

Get it behemoth!!

Max

**BigKev** · 08-10-2019, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Argon Coagulator

That's pretty good, is your estrogen within range or you just feel ok?

It's high but I feel ok and no gyno sides

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**Argon Coagulator** · 08-10-2019, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by BearsFan

Im not a pro or any where near but i often wondered why ppl run insane doses of gear. I mean i personally think its like pot after so much theres actual benefit. I'm not a scientist but after your receptors are saturated (which most happen to be in shoulders and traps ) they are saturated.

As far as the jerking off goes , 4x? Thats it I'm in double digit numbers on 125mg. I hit triple digit numbers on a 3 day weekend

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That's exactly right. Saturation doses aren't nearly as high as people think. Branch, Ronnie and Jay probably use less Test than Seth. If more gear was the main factor that makes top pros that size, there would be a hell of alot more guys that size, because tons of rec users run as much as top pros. The main difference may be the Slin/GH and food intake, but I bet there are plenty of rec or amateur guys who use that stuff as well, but because their genetics won't allow a certain look they'll never make it pro no matter how big they get.

And yeah, jerking 4x a day is rookie numbers. I'm on 225mg of Sust/wk and one anadrol 50/day and the other day I squeezed out four loads to pornhub and still fucked my wife that night. That's insane and that is how you know when you have your estrogen dialed in! I think once you get to 6 orgasms a day you may have a problem, lol..

**Argon Coagulator** · 08-10-2019, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by BigKev

It's high but I feel ok and no gyno sides

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You probably have a good Test to Estro ratio.

**BearsFan** · 08-10-2019, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by maxmuscle1

Receptor saturation info:
There is a very common misconception in the bodybuilding community that androgen receptors downregulate during a steroid cycle, or during long-term steroid use.

This diminishing returns effect is not the result of androgen receptor downregulation, although most will misinterpret it as such.

The reason why you can't gain muscle at a rapid pace continuously while on steroids is because Myostatin increases in the body to inhibit your body from gaining an unhealthy amount of muscle.
Steroids actually upregulate androgen receptors, not downregulate. The mechanism by which your body is inhibited from gaining absurd amounts of muscles is not because your androgen receptors are becoming desensitized to the steroids that you're using.
Rather, it's your body's endogenous production of Myostatin is going up.

The body has a counteracting mechanism for everything.

Max

So a human body limits itself, so is there a fat inhibitor , or can you get unlimited amounts of fat quickly ?

So I've got a question regarding androgen receptor, if most are in your shoulders and traps does that mean those are the first parts to get bigger or the parts that can grow the most ?

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**BigKev** · 08-10-2019, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by BearsFan

So a human body limits itself, so is there a fat inhibitor , or can you get unlimited amounts of fat quickly ?

So I've got a question regarding androgen receptor, if most are in your shoulders and traps does that mean those are the first parts to get bigger or the parts that can grow the most ?

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Funny thing.... My traps blow the fuck up first... Before anything else everytime

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**Gainzbruh** · 08-10-2019, 03:14 AM

I think it's more effort and more food that regular people refuse to take on. Especially if they have a regular job they can't fit in more workouts and they will make excuses not to make so much food (because of costs). So they think, just inject more gear. But maybe you need more of everything: meals, workouts, sleep and performance enhancers.

**Argon Coagulator** · 08-10-2019, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by BearsFan

So a human body limits itself, so is there a fat inhibitor , or can you get unlimited amounts of fat quickly ?

So I've got a question regarding androgen receptor, if most are in your shoulders and traps does that mean those are the first parts to get bigger or the parts that can grow the most ?

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That depends on genetics. Ectomorphs usually have a very limited ability to store fat no matter how much we eat our bodies simply increase calorie expenditure through heat, or making us more energetic (both really).

Myostatin, like the fat storage Gene, is expressed in varying degrees. As he mentioned, myostatin increases at about week 8-10 of a cycle, but the amount it increases is very genetic. Some guys won't experience much ability to express myostatin and will grow continuously (Flex, Ronnie, etc). Just like the fat storage Gene, some will top out at 200-300lbs, others can keep growing to 600lbs on the same amount of calories.

Also, that there are more androgen receptors in the delts and traps is a myth from what I've gathered. I believe Seth even talks about that in one of his older videos. Everything gets bigger on the sauce. You probably notice those muscles inflate because they were stubborn bodyparts before.

**Gainzbruh** · 08-10-2019, 03:23 AM

I'm thinking of adding YK11 to a stack for killing myostatin. But makes me wonder if it's just a hyped up compound. They show pictures of rats being all jacked, but it wasn't a study with YK11 at all. It was a study with mice that have a missing gene to produce myostatin. I think there's some hidden BS marketing with it.