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    Thread: Help: Few questions regarding tren cycle ; lethargic, not totally pissed pike normal etc

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      Help: Few questions regarding tren cycle ; lethargic, not totally pissed pike normal etc

      Long winded but thorough, I appreciate input and anything I may be missing to try and get as much as I can from an Introduction cycle...

      What I noticed, how I feel and what can I do different:::::::

      Ok guys I have read and waited a year to try my tren e out...i waited and read and studied and went over different cycles till I felt I was mature enough and had enough mentally to handle sides and have a good run on it regarding sides and control....

      So cycle is this
      Test 300mg wk (wed/sun)
      Deca 200mg week wed/sun (will always be on this for joint pain unless competing)
      Tren e 350mg week (100mg eod)
      Aromasin 12.5 eod
      Vitamin b12 shot daily
      Gw1516 50mg daily

      I could bath in gear and not get acne I'm not prone to acne.

      So heres what I have noticed:
      I am at week 5 as of today on tren so it should be in full swing
      -I am a bit more irritable but not as much as I normally am I conditioned myself ahead of time to be mature and it's working
      -I have gotten a few pimples on arms and shoulder
      - my sleep is slightly disrupted and only had a couple vivid dreams
      -i do sweat a bit but it's also hot and humid I dont eat carbs after 8 to keep from leaving dead man outlines in sweat on bed
      -I AM SUPER TIRED and lethargic, I do have more power when I get going and a shit ton more drive once I get.moving but it takes a bit
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      -I am taking gw1516 for cardio to keep some breathing in tact, it has gotten harder to nail heavy lifts and move to next routine without breathing hard and sweating..

      I dont have my normal 2 +workout a day drive, id rather hit 1 hard eat and sleep...

      Dexa has me at
      238.5 lbs
      10.5%bf
      204.6lbs lean mass

      Eating 4k average higher protein, low carbs low fat have up all my running and hiit, spin and hiking to slow down metabolic rate to help growth.
      I am eating alot and not always great stuff trying to pack weight on. 10.5% bf is high for me considering I walk arund 6 to 7 year round normally....I AM EATING GUYS.....

      I am up almost 4lbs lean mass in 5 weeks and up 3lbs fat....went from 9.7%bf to 10.5


      I did not mix anadrol this run to make sure I can handle tren first, as a dad and husband felt it was more responsible to Introduce 1 compound at a time....


      QUESTIONS:
      What can I throw in to add mass
      What can I do to ace lethargy and sleepiness
      Should i up the town to 450mg
      Should I lower test
      I do have caber but no signs of prolactin issues or gyno, had a lump under right nipple but aromasin took that out....

      I am eating alot and goal is 245lbs and cut to 235 at 6% I want a walking weight of between 250 and 240...I'm 232 in morning on a light day and pushing 240 at night easily
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      Your taking waaay to much aromasin for such a low test dose. Your e2 is probably crashed man. Trust me i sm super sensitive to AIs so i only use a small amount at a time even on high test. Thats my best guess and i think im right.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Cmack053 View Post
      Your taking waaay to much aromasin for such a low test dose. Your e2 is probably crashed man. Trust me i sm super sensitive to AIs so i only use a small amount at a time even on high test. Thats my best guess and i think im right.

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      I'll drop it to 12.5 every 3 days and see if that helps...you may be right I. Used to 12.5 ed with 600+ test and same on deca....hadn't thought about that one.....so focused on the 500 anabolic etc I assumed I needed to stay up on aromasin.....

      Thank you, that's the reason I ask with all the crap going on in life etc its easy to overlook the simple things too...

      Thank you

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      You need wayyy more test. At LEAST 2X the tren your running. And yes too much aromasin. I dont use it until week 4-5 because E hasnt built up yet amd you need some elevated e to grow.
      Im in week 5
      Weeks 1-4 test c 500
      Tren hex 200
      Mast e 200 + added 60mg dbol/day
      6mg Aromasin 5 days on 2-3 days off (starting week 4)
      Week 5 I bumped test to 750
      And week 8 Im upping it to 1000.
      Im up 14lbs at low bf.... I did get lethargic bad when the tren kicked in... After a week - 10 days of my body adjusting, Im back to normal.
      More test brother... 750 or better

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      I mean i could see running more test than tren if you want to lessen tren sides but he could up the tren and leave the test the same and let the tren do more work. They do both compete for the same receptors after all. Tren binding at a much higher rate.

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      I have enough of either tren or test to up it...
      The aromasin I will back down for sure...
      I'm a hard gainer it took a shit ton for me to get up to 10%+ bf. I will keep on eating heavy

      I have been nauseas as well, appetite was fighting me I almost threw the towel in....so tren flu is real apparently
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      So I can up test to 700 or I can up the tren to 600...I want lean gains bit power as well, cutting is pretty easy (hell of alot easier than eating lol)..

      I will start to look at upping either compound and any input ontop of this is welcome and needed..

      My next run will be anadrol with tren deca and test, finished off with either winstrol or anavar to help cut....now that we know I can run 350 tren fairly well....granted E converts down to less usable compound compared to A....
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      Should I up to 60mg ed on tren e. I know it has a smaller conversion than acetate......

      I can up test as well but would.love the leaner dry ripped cutting effect while gaining a little that I hoped tren would do....


      Also I only have trouble sleeping sometimes, I do get a little anxious, had a few pimples, had tren flu...had to lay it out and be honest with any noticeable changes to make sure it wasn't fake or I dont have alot of side effects......I think the tren flu is too high on aromasin....as stayed by you guys

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      First and foremost, it is very refreshing to see that someone put in their time with conducting research before taking a plunge into the abyss.. It's very far and few in between that we see posters the actually put in the time & efforts with their research far in advance from their very own science experiment that's about to take place.

      You're going to hear mix reviews/feedback and I don't think that there's a standard protocol with what you can do to counter or minimize the adverse effects that you're feeling.. In lieu of me telling you what you need to do, I'm going to give you some suggestions to take him to great consideration.

      Keep your testosterone where you are at, increasing the dosage could be more problematic.
      look at testosterone and Trenbolone as if they are both side-by-side preparing for a race, they are both lacing up with the same exact sneakers on about to do a Sprint to the same exact finish line. Theres only going to be only one winner. Trenbolone is going to dominate in multiple sectors, in multiple areas whether it's at the AR sites or even neurological with chemical Messengers, relaying information between neurotransmitters and other cellular groups.

      During this process testosterone it's going to be hanging in the balance, on paper we would like for it to function with its normal duties and that is being "testosterone".. However testosterone can be multi-functional, testosterone has three roles that it can take part in.
      1) being testosterone as its primary function.
      2) converting into DHT (dihydrotestosterone) which is a more potent/androgen.
      3) converting into estrogen.

      Where am I going with?
      Having too much testosterone hanging in the balance because it is unable to express itself through its functionalities at Target sites/tissue, it will ultimately end up loitering and this can cause problems.. It could initiate the activation of other enzymes or even sleeper cell enzymes, because it is unable to reach its initial Target tissue. Because of its inactivation by way of dominance from Trenbolone it has a great possibility with indirectly activating a Cascade of events with a complex interplay causing a slew of unwanted problems..

      Unfortunately this is the "love - hate" relationship that people experience with Trenbolone.
      In my opinion I would take this time to just listen to your body, get familiar with all the curves, make your adjustments and take personal notes. We can't expect our first experience with something to be 100% successful, as you know it's the adjustments along the way where we ultimately learn the most with our sensitivities..

      Also bear in mind that you could possibly be experiencing slight adrenal fatigue..
      Androgens, especially Trenbolone are strongly aggressive and they can decrease peak plasma corticosterone concentrations by way of potentially disabling HSD-11B or 11B-HSD which are hosts of enzymes that catalyze the conversion of cortisone to activate cortisol.. Basically inducing a state of adrenal fatigue by other methods of action, simply inducing adrenal fatigue like symptoms..

      I would suggest incorporating some DHEA with some sublingual vitamin B complex (I would replace the B12 injection and use vitamin B complex instead because B12 can cancel out any other B's).. B complex can help offset any adrenal fatigue like symptoms..
      I would also suggest on cutting back with your caffeine or pre workouts if you do incorporate any of them because they can also affect cortisol levels..

      Also a few other suggestions, one you may want to add some low-to-moderate dosage of ghrp-6 or hexarelin.. these peptides both act in a similar mechanism and have been known to increase release of ACTH which can improve the serum plasma levels with cortisol, restoring it to a healthy functional State, hindering any "AAS" RELATED SIDE EFFECTS THAT MAY BE PRESENT BY WAY OF ADRENAL FATIGUE LIKE SYMPTOMS..

      Last but not least, I would highly suggest incorporating some Master on or proviron..
      I have a write-up that could explain the benefits with incorporating proviron or masteron while running Trenbolone..

      I would also suggest taking some gaba before bed, Trenbolone is notorious with affecting healthy functional levels of gaba..The addition with gaba can help improve a stable sleep State and environment for rest, it can also offset any type of anxiety that you may experience from Trenbolone.. It can improve a sense of calmness, when taking daily this will improve gaba levels and the beneficial results will be long lasting, unlike a breakthrough drug or supplement that has a temporary onset..

      Dial back on your AI just a little bit, it is slightly aggressive, I would dial it back just an additional 24 hours..

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      Thanks vision, yes it could be adrenal fatigue or it could have been lushed a bit too much last year....
      I have b6 or the stronger version of it....b5b
      I was taking it but felt nausea but that could have been a few factors....

      I didn't take aromasin this morning and will look to maybe swap b12 and b6 a little here and there to accommodate both. I will look up that one before bed you mentioned. Right now I just pop 1/4mg ***** lol....90% of the time i overcome restlessness myself I am ot a fan of ***** unless I'm so far into my second wind...

      Thanks btw....all this input and experience is what I'm looking for so I can figure me out, everyone handles stuff different but theres enough of us out there that addressed issues to inform others...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bullcrew View Post
      Thanks vision, yes it could be adrenal fatigue or it could have been lushed a bit too much last year....
      I have b6 or the stronger version of it....b5b
      I was taking it but felt nausea but that could have been a few factors....

      I didn't take aromasin this morning and will look to maybe swap b12 and b6 a little here and there to accommodate both. I will look up that one before bed you mentioned. Right now I just pop 1/4mg ***** lol....90% of the time i overcome restlessness myself I am ot a fan of ***** unless I'm so far into my second wind...

      Thanks btw....all this input and experience is what I'm looking for so I can figure me out, everyone handles stuff different but theres enough of us out there that addressed issues to inform others...
      I use ***** as well, Im also not a huge fan of the drug, but I use it just to turn off the noise at night in my head, unplugging so to speak.. off all the options out there, I find the cocktail below to be the best for combating trensomnia

      1mg *****
      750 gaba
      10mg melatonin
      2ius HGH pre-bed

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