low dose cycles are where its at!!

**beanlicker** · 10-28-2012, 06:04 AM

Interesting Article from anabolicminds.......

Something I've noticed in the past 10 yrs of bodybuilding and steroids. Almost every recommended dosage for drugs nowadays is much more than what it was in the past. When I first begin using steroids 15-25 mg/day of dbol was usually the recommended amount to take, now seems like 25/day is considered low. I see people advocating 80-100mg/day sometimes. 40-60mg tren eod was the norm, now is 75 mg eod but many are running 75-100mg ed. 500mg test/wk is now a beginner dosage, used to be like 300 mg/wk. But now people talk like something lower dosed such as 200 mg/wk deca will do NOTHING. They couldn't be more wrong. I gained almost 20 lbs off 1 bottle of test my first cycle, old school tapered dosage but it worked!! Well, like most everyone else I went with the flow of things and decided that if I wanted to be really big I needed at least a gram/wk of test. I've even ran a gram/wk of EQ before. You know what I got out of it? Not **** that 600mg/wk would give me, and when I backed it down to 400mg/wk I got pretty much the same thing as 600mg/wk but I felt better. I recently ran 600mg/wk of tren e, WAY TOO ****ING MUCH!! I started feeling so bad that I backed it down to 300/wk, and then realized 600/wk really didnt give me anything that 300mg/wk did, but I felt a whole lot better when I lowered the dosage. 500mg/wk test is a beginner dosage I guess, but after 10 yrs I feel my best and strongest at 500/wk. I know some people can handle higher dosages, but I've come to the conclusion that this is a system of diminishing returns. I believe the closer you can keep to your bodies normal chemical processes the more efficient that cycle will be for 80-90% of people. I will never go over 1 gram/wk total anymore, on all compounds combined in any cycle. Just not worth it to me. Maybe someone feels different on this, I probably have some **** coming my way for this post but just my own observations with my personal gear use

**Roaddkingg** · 10-28-2012, 12:48 PM

No I agree.
There is a point of diminishing returns. And at the high levels a person has way more chance of side effects and especially with orals can also be very hard on you'r organs.
I have never gone REAL high like a lot of the fella's we read about.
Like you pointed out a person can get very good gains with a moderate inject dose and a moderate oral kicker.
I'm presently running a cycle and my front load is 30mgs d-bol for the first four weeks.
With me personally if I go to high on d-bol I get more water and a lump I have had for years acts up so to me it's just not worth it.

**ShortnWide** · 10-28-2012, 06:58 PM

I've seen this at AM. I think the idea is def correct but only with people who come off cycle. Anyone who does TRT or Blasr n Criuse style cycling this will not be pertaining to. Someone who runs 200mg weekly will def need a little more than 500mg for a cycle and all these poeple that are running insane amounts for their TRT or Criuse are def going to need more for growth if growth will even be possible because of extrem over saturation of receptors.. I have heard of some doing 500-1000mg weekly - that's F-ing nuts. Yes then I guess 2000-3000mg on cycle would make sence - NO.

**damage** · 11-06-2012, 04:00 AM

I do agree with OP. if you are running cycles and not cruising, low dose is where its at.

**PAiN** · 11-06-2012, 10:55 PM

Great post bro and very interesting to hear that side of it..... I think 500mg ew of Test is plenty for most people.

I am on TRT and will be forever for me. I cruise at 500mg ew anything lower and I start to lose size between blasting.

**beanlicker** · 11-06-2012, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by PAiN

Great post bro and very interesting to hear that side of it..... I think 500mg ew of Test is plenty for most people.

I am on TRT and will be forever for me. I cruise at 500mg ew anything lower and I start to lose size between blasting.

Do you ever come off? How long have you been on without a break?

**PAiN** · 11-06-2012, 11:30 PM

No I never come off bro. Off for me is 500mg ew of just Test.

Almost 8 years or so. No breaks. Blast and cruise with cycles.

**animal87** · 11-07-2012, 12:43 AM

I think for most people over 700mg a week is too. As for tren even less like 400-500mg a week. I ran 400mg of tren weekly with 500mg test weekly and got about as much gains as you could hope for out of a cycle.

**SCIROXX** · 11-07-2012, 02:33 AM

I see people all over boards posting their cycles and some are just ridiculous amounts of gear and they prolly don't know shit about diet or training. They just like to brag about the amounts they are taking.