Back on the train! a Parabolan maintenance experiment

**DubleDizzle** · 02-04-2020, 04:05 PM

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**IRISHOAK** · 02-04-2020, 06:32 PM

Im curious too. Ive been switching compound combinations every 4-6 weeks and trying a lot of new things since last summer.
So far in this expirimental phase Ive tried:
Parabolan (at 200mgs/wk)
Tren base (at 25, 50 & 75)
Masteron (as prop vs. enth, in prior years I always used enth)
Test (as prop vs. Enth or Cyp, in prior years I always used long esters)
Superdrol (oral)
Superdrol (inj)
NPP (at 300mgs/wk, in prior years I only used deca)

Orals & short esters will make their effects evident within 6 weeks so Ive been able to get a feel for alot of new compounds in a fairly short period of time.

The other things this has allowed me to see are the synergistic effects of various combinations & the overall effect of cycling various combinations without ever coming off.
Im quite sure Im not the only person to ever do this, but as we all know, everyone gets varying degrees of effects & side effects from diff compounds & diff stacks, so this past 9 months or so has been a personal journey through parts the gear universe that were unexplored previously.
For most of my life I did only the common long ester oils (test, EQ, deca, mast) & dbol.

I may turn all of my experiences into a book.
A chapter for each compound which would include:
The chemical data
The history and development
Effects & side effects
Common cycle protocols
My personal experiences, cycle history & suggestions

I have many yet to try before that can be done but over the next 2 years I plan on getting to the remaining ones Ive yet to try!

**samgraves82** · 02-04-2020, 10:37 PM

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**TrenTrain** · 02-05-2020, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Mattymoo

Interested to see if notice an increase in strength at that dose compared to 200mg week of Tren

I have ran tren at 100mg per week and I didn’t notice very much strength increase compared to 300mg per week. I just got that tren alpha feeling without all the sides. Albeit to a lesser extent but it was a good time. I liked it and will do it again. I think I might just add 100mg of tren into my next bulk cycle just for the way it makes me feel. BEAST MODE

**IRISHOAK** · 02-05-2020, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by TrenTrain

I have ran tren at 100mg per week and I didn’t notice very much strength increase compared to 300mg per week. I just got that tren alpha feeling without all the sides. Albeit to a lesser extent but it was a good time. I liked it and will do it again. I think I might just add 100mg of tren into my next bulk cycle just for the way it makes me feel. BEAST MODE

Thanks for sharing that. Like I said Im experimenting here. One of my issues is eating. Ive never been an all day eater. Ill eat big 2X at most, the rest is forced smaller intakes. I can be completely comfortable eating once per day. The nutrient partitioning effect of tren is what attracted me to it in the first place.
Parabolan was developed as an anti-muscle wasting compound.
Part of this expiriment will be to see if I can maintain weight more than gain weight. Im also curious to see if the positives, even in lesser degress, can be had without the negatives.
Given the anabolic rating, theoretically, 50mgs of tren should provide the same androgenic & anabolic effectks of 250mgs of test. Ive decided to drop the test prop dose to 300/wk to provide a greater ability to guage the tren effects. 300 test is my cruise dose. I will be eating 3 meals instead of 6.
If I maintain the same degree of muscle mass & bodyweight over 2 months then that will tell me that its working at low dose. If I gain, on half the food & cruise dose of test, without the neg sides of tren, that will be truly interesting.
Sleep disruption & profuse sweating indicate the body is working overtime to eliminate something it deems toxic. I know there is CNS stimulation which adds to the insomnia, but not being able to acheive a deep sleep at all is a physiological indicator of "somethings wrong". Night sweats are typically the body's attempt to purge.

I believe there is a line between toxic & non-toxic doseages of tren, lie anything else. My goal is to find that line for my body so in the future, I can confidently stack it in a cycle, or use it to maintain weight off cycle, a "gain-preserving" cruise phase.

**Cathead** · 02-05-2020, 03:58 AM

What brand tren you running?

**TrenTrain** · 02-05-2020, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by IRISHOAK

Thanks for sharing that. Like I said Im experimenting here. One of my issues is eating. Ive never been an all day eater. Ill eat big 2X at most, the rest is forced smaller intakes. I can be completely comfortable eating once per day. The nutrient partitioning effect of tren is what attracted me to it in the first place.
Parabolan was developed as an anti-muscle wasting compound.
Part of this expiriment will be to see if I can maintain weight more than gain weight. Im also curious to see if the positives, even in lesser degress, can be had without the negatives.
Given the anabolic rating, theoretically, 50mgs of tren should provide the same androgenic & anabolic effectks of 250mgs of test. Ive decided to drop the test prop dose to 300/wk to provide a greater ability to guage the tren effects. 300 test is my cruise dose. I will be eating 3 meals instead of 6.
If I maintain the same degree of muscle mass & bodyweight over 2 months then that will tell me that its working at low dose. If I gain, on half the food & cruise dose of test, without the neg sides of tren, that will be truly interesting.
Sleep disruption & profuse sweating indicate the body is working overtime to eliminate something it deems toxic. I know there is CNS stimulation which adds to the insomnia, but not being able to acheive a deep sleep at all is a physiological indicator of "somethings wrong". Night sweats are typically the body's attempt to purge.

I believe there is a line between toxic & non-toxic doseages of tren, lie anything else. My goal is to find that line for my body so in the future, I can confidently stack it in a cycle, or use it to maintain weight off cycle, a "gain-preserving" cruise phase.

I also am not a big eater and have to force feed a lot. And, for me at least, my appetite drops when I’m running Tren so keep that in mind. I found that even at small doses that did factor in.
The thing I’m confused about is when you say your going to eat 3 meals instead of 6. You’re literally going to half your food intake?! I don’t get how you wouldn’t lose weight. Or do you mean 3 larger meals compared to 6 smaller ones but the overall calories being the same?

**IRISHOAK** · 02-05-2020, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by TrenTrain

I also am not a big eater and have to force feed a lot. And, for me at least, my appetite drops when I’m running Tren so keep that in mind. I found that even at small doses that did factor in.
The thing I’m confused about is when you say your going to eat 3 meals instead of 6. You’re literally going to half your food intake?! I don’t get how you wouldn’t lose weight. Or do you mean 3 larger meals compared to 6 smaller ones but the overall calories being the same?

Im going to end up with about a 30% reduction in nutrition in order to guage the effectiveness of the nutrient partitioning of low dose tren. Im not trying to gain any weight in this expiriment, just see if my current weight can be maintained under a nutrition reduction by adding the tren. I gained almost 20lbs in the last year. I want to simply maintain my current weight for 8 weeks. After this test, Ill go back to a gaining protocol with compounds & nutrition. Im also going to cut back on training. Ill be doing heavier weight for less reps and 2 workouts per week.
I want to give my body a few months to consider my new size "normal" and get used to maintaining my current physique before I push my weight up again.

**TrenTrain** · 02-05-2020, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by IRISHOAK

Im going to end up with about a 30% reduction in nutrition in order to guage the effectiveness of the nutrient partitioning of low dose tren. Im not trying to gain any weight in this expiriment, just see if my current weight can be maintained under a nutrition reduction by adding the tren. I gained almost 20lbs in the last year. I want to simply maintain my current weight for 8 weeks. After this test, Ill go back to a gaining protocol with compounds & nutrition. Im also going to cut back on training. Ill be doing heavier weight for less reps and 2 workouts per week.
I want to give my body a few months to consider my new size "normal" and get used to maintaining my current physique before I push my weight up again.

Gotcha! Perfect then. I think you have a winning plan. Low dose tren should work incredibly at maintaining muscle mass during a maintenance phase. And I feel you about letting your body have some time to get used to the new size. I have been in maintenance for a while now for that same reason. Good luck man. I’m not sure how your metabolism works but I wouldn’t be able to cut that much and maintain. But I have a fast metabolism. And if you do start dropping you can always take your calories back up slightly.