Thread: Bloodwork

Sorry fam repost I was unable to clearly upload a snapshot of my bloods but I took what was out of tolerance from them and have it listed below I need some input. I have no idea how to read this or what it even means besides high estro and test. Let me know what needs attention the most and what is normal to not worry about. Most important just educate me on what I need to be looking for most importantly with bloodwork thanks BOP FAM.

Please see below:



AST 53 HIGH
Estradiol 52 HIGH
FSH <0.7 LOW
LH <0.2 LOW
Red blood cell count 7.65 HIGH
Hematocrit 52.3 HIGH
MCV 68.4 LOW
MCH 20.7 LOW
MCHC 30.2 LOW
RDW 19.1 HIGH
Testosterone Total >3000 HIGH

(I believe with private MD labs with this panel it states im somewhere between 1500-3000 total test)



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Originally Posted by Patty_Mac253

Sorry fam repost I was unable to clearly upload a snapshot of my bloods but I took what was out of tolerance from them and have it listed below I need some input. I have no idea how to read this or what it even means besides high estro and test. Let me know what needs attention the most and what is normal to not worry about. Most important just educate me on what I need to be looking for most importantly with bloodwork thanks BOP FAM.

Please see below:



AST 53 HIGH
Estradiol 52 HIGH
FSH <0.7 LOW
LH <0.2 LOW
Red blood cell count 7.65 HIGH
Hematocrit 52.3 HIGH
MCV 68.4 LOW
MCH 20.7 LOW
MCHC 30.2 LOW
RDW 19.1 HIGH
Testosterone Total >3000 HIGH

(I believe with private MD labs with this panel it states im somewhere between 1500-3000 total test)



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I like that test and estra levels{during a bulk cycle} could lower it if watery or sensitive. Ast is obviously raised so, gotta take care of that with good supplement regimen/food change: fiber, Tudca 300-450mg, NAC 750mg, MIC 3 gr each, etc.
Lh/Fsh can be dealt with during pct and off time. Not sure if your TRT or not but I still use compounds to straighten things out quicker. Donation is optional too. Btw- I did not research your background cycle or where your at as far as weeks ? but have seen posts. You definitely are taking some goods!

Max

Thanks Max! Anything you see out of the ordinary?

Currently on week 18 of a 20 week progressive blast

750mg test e
400mg NPP
10mg Sdrol

P.W.O. prob once or twice a week tne/tren b and c-drops seldomly tho...
At 1cc per compound



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Originally Posted by Riggs

We're the ranges not provided?

I will say hematocrit @ 52 is high. I'd get that down asap.

Yeh they gave me a range for hematocrit of
30.5-50% and my result was 52 what should I do to get that down and what side effects should I or could I expect from having those levels elevated is it normal to have elevated hematocrit while on AAS?

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Originally Posted by iconpharma

your red cell distribution width (RDW) is high which means your body is lacking iron, this causes HCT (hematocrit, the amount of red blood cells in total blood volume) to appear high (although ur hemoglobin will be at down end of the range) as well as the body is increasing the size of the red blood cells to compensate for low (less then the body needs) level of iron. on first glance this higher HCT looks like typical bodybuilder issue and donation is needed. but its the opposite

if you donate now you will increase RDW and increase HCT as the iron is depleted even further. all indicators of low iron (MCV, MCH, MCHC) will go down even lower as per donation as much as 100points of ferritin can be lost. not good in your case

check iron, ferritin, transferring, iron saturation and transferrin saturation, also folic acid

all your indicators of low iron are present:

MCV 68.4 LOW
MCH 20.7 LOW
MCHC 30.2 LOW
RDW 19.1 HIGH

so when u test it dont let the doc look at medical parameters, they are useless as even weak and elderly fall inside the ranges. your body is clearly telling you you are lacking iron, high hct + high RDW + all low mcv/mch and mchc = this is a classic case of low iron

do the following for 4 weeks and retest
folic acid 4-5mg (miligram) every day pre breakfast 45mins
gentle iron (iron bisglycenate), solgar brand is very good: 60mg every day with folic acid 45mins before ANY food
vitaminc c (ascorbic acid): 5 grams together with iron and folic acid
vit b12: injection 1mg once a week

in this case there is no need for donation as the cause of all these markers is clear iron lacking. PED's make muscle and muscle needs building blocks and iron is one of the main ones. Doctors arent going to know this, but for your activities and hormone usage you lack iron therefore body compensates by increasing hct and hb and red blood cell distribution width

99.9% of all docs wouldnt know this. up the iron and its absorbtion as described and retest in 4-5 weeks and you will see distibution width come down (HCT and HB become healthy) and all these improve up: MCV, MCH, MCHC

MCV, MCH, MCHC are low which is indication your body doesnt have enough hemoglobin = low iron

normal docs ferro fummarate tabs dont work at all and give cramps and do not absorb. the iron bisglycenate does very well and will solve your issue quickly

blood donation is only in order and warranted when hct and HB are too high due to too much iron. then yes (but then mcv, mch, mchc will be normal or high too, ferritin and iron too high also). so do not donate it will worsen your specific issue

Brother thank you just dropped a whole knowledge bomb on me and I know you know what your talking about just because of the amount info you put into answering my questions. I appreicate it all the input and I will start this supplement regime immediately only question is where to get injectable b12? Everything your saying makes complete sense and as I guy that only has a handful of cycles under his belt I dont know shit....its humbling to see how much knowledge you vets have here on BOP love this family we have here and how we look out for one another. Low iron i will take care of it before it gets out of control what are symptoms of low iron? light headed and nausea is one I believe and symptoms I should be made aware of? Thanks brother....

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Originally Posted by iconpharma

you are welcome brother

HCT of 52% isnt bad, i have a good buddy he is endocrinologist and he also agrees 52% is no issues since we KNOW the reason and its called sports levels. dont compare yourself to average sedentary couch potato

you are welcome about the iron, all the numbers are pointing to it so get it tested: ferritin, iron total, iron saturation, transferrin and transferrin saturation.

b12 is a vitamin so you can get it in many places, in europe in ********** anywhere or otherwise via doctor. its a simple vitamin. the rest you can easily buy online in any supplement store.

symptoms can be very diverse and difuse, from nothing at all to restlessness, sleep issues, hair and nails, mental focus, tired, ear rining and 10 other things. majority of the world is literally deficient in many micronutrients, from vit d to vit 3 to zinc to copper to iodine to magnesium to iron etc.

Thanks again brother so should I get bloods done again for an iron specific panel? Like order that panel to check for low iron or should I implement the whole supplement regime and then get tested 4-5 weeks later? Just want to make sure im not in danger of having too low of iron im going to go buy all theses supplements today and figure out how to get some injectable b12 im not sure if any of the sponsors on here have it? So I shouldn't be too concern of my HCT being at 52% It should remain at thay level or possibly elevate as I continue this blast onto my cruise?

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