Thread: Tren, prolactin & skullf*ckery!

Originally Posted by IRISHOAK

Where do I start?
We all know that eventually, the tren is gonna start skull fucking us right?

Why? Don't androgens typically make you feel BETTER?

Im running tren e right now and as some of you know, my last one had to be cut short due to mental sides. Sucked. I was performing like a champ sexually and growing so I didnt take any caber. Other than taking long af to cum, and the dark circles under my eyes from lack of sleep & occasional acid reflux... there weren't really negative physical/sexual side effects.

This time around I got the caber first. I got sweats the first week, and noticed my orgasms weren't as easy to acheive by the end of week 2, nothing crazy but I noticed the diff. No big deal, I have caber!
I introduced it very low dose at the end of week 1 and 2. Only 0.5mg.

I got a lot of shit going on so I was also stressed.

Then a few days ago (heading into week 4) I started noticing the persistence of negative thoughts. I had shit to be upset about but, not being able to stop those thoughts even for a few hours, is the tren creeping in. My sex drive was high, hard as a rock but taking even longer cum. Like fuck for 45 min till Im dripping sweat and too hot to continue, taking a break for 15 min, and finally finishing like 30 min into round 2.

I had taken caber like 2 days prior so wtf? I took a 1mg dose and fell asleep a few hours later.

I had GOOD dreams for the first time in idk how long. I woke up feeling good. Not stressed, kinda looking forward to the day.
I did a bunch if research on trens relation to prolactin. I learned a few things:

1. Tren doesn't raise prolactin directly, it basically prevents your brain from recognizing hyperprolactinemia and it just keeps releasing it.
2. Stress alone is the most common reason for hyperprolactinemia in men.
3. Hyperprolactinemia causes a variety of common mental conditions that we attribute to the tren itself.

Read this....

[Hyperprolactinemia and psychological disturbance]
[Article in Portuguese]
M C Oliveira et al. Arq Neuropsiquiatr. 2000 Sep.
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Psychological symptoms, specially anxiety and depression, have been associated to hyperprolactinemia. To evaluate the presence of these symptoms, 32 patients (5 men and 27 women) with hyperprolactinemia of several etiologies and 15 individuals with normal prolactin levels were submitted to the Composed International Diagnostic Interview, followed by the Hamilton rating scale for depression. The serum prolactin, at the time of evaluation, ranged between 28 and 180 ng/mL. Eleven patients were receiving bromocriptine. The presence of anxiety was detected in 18 patients (56.2%) and 5 controls (32.2%), depression was detected in 10 patients (31.2%) and 2 controls (12.5%), dysthymia in 2 patients and other psychiatric diagnosis in 6 patients (18.7%). The scores of depression ranged between 16 and 31 for the patients, and were 12 and 16 for the controls. The frequency of psychiatric symptoms, as a whole, was significantly higher in the hyperprolactinemic patients (chi-square test), but the difference was not significant in isolated analysis of anxiety and depression. The hyperprolactinemia represents a risk of 3.52 for depression, 3.32 for anxiety and 3.84 for other psychiatric symptoms. There was no significant difference in the frequency of psychiatric symptoms among patients with or without pituitary adenomas nor users or not users of bromocriptine. There was no correlation (r=0,07) between prolactin and the frequency of psychiatric symptoms. These results emphasize the importance of a special attention to the concomitance of hyperprolactinemia and psychiatric disturbance, which will allow a specific therapeutic approach.

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Actions of Prolactin in the Brain: From Physiological Adaptations to Stress and Neurogenesis to Psychopathology.



Conclusion:

The combination of external stress & trenbolone can cause hyperprolactinemia much earlier than expected.
I think that much of the mental and physical/sexual negatives of a tren cycle can be alleviated by taking caber earlier in the cycle, and by increasing the dose as the cycle progresses.

Please feel free to add your tips, experiences & research.... Remember gents "We're in tren together"!

Love n the thread IO. Gonna link it in my Tren thread. It's all about us logging our experiences and journey in figuring out how to get the most out of our blasts with minimal sides. No one else is gonna do it. It's up to us.

Haven't read thru the replies but I run Caber yr round as I run AAS yr round. The only time I'll run AAS w/out Caber is if I ran out and more is on the way.

Another great fucking add to Tren is GH. GH = improved sleep = improved ability to deal with stress. I've rarely run Tren without it and it sucked. Mk677 this run is nice but it's not GH.

But yes IO IMO Caber is a must with Tren. If I remember correctly it has one long ass half life too so like you've indicated starting it asap is a good idea. I think it's like a 60 hour half life.

DA (Dopamine) is commonly known as the PIF (Prolactin Inhibiting Factor). Caber is a DA agonist. Caber potentially keeps DA within range which in turn inhibits PRL (Prolactin) secretion. Our goal is to cause an imbalance among hormones, mainly sex hormones, but the body will constantly work towards balance. Homeostasis ya know. With proper knowledge, there are areas of BB'n, we can use homeostasis to our advantage. Stimulate it in some areas and inhibit it in others.

Originally Posted by MarvelNerd

Makes we wonder if cortisol has an effect on any of this being the stress hormone. Very interesting to understand the psychological changes we create during these lab trials.


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What's interesting is to study the things that we do in BB'n that triggers the Cortisol response. Great while training but not so good while eating meal #6.

The best published medical journal I've ever read that described the affects of Tren on the brain stated a good comparison was to pilots in training. Some when exposed to gforce would hoot and holler in excitement while others would throw up, shit their pants, and black out. No way to predict how those exposed would respond. It also went on to explain that Tren high Androgenic rating, it's affinity to the Androgen receptors, AND it's ability to ACTIVATE those receptors, causes the brain to go in to hyper drive. At that point once manageable disorders or dysfunctions can become unmanageable. Even a simple thought can become uncontrollable.

I've gotta find that damn article. I'll start looking. I might have posted it in my thread...

FUCK'N TREN - LET'S TALK TREN - ALL THINGS TREN

Great thread IO.....really appreciate this.

Not getting sleep is a serious driving force and seems to exasperate mental issues. Your cranky.
I just take 100mg diphenhydramine sleepaid. I found the cheap non coated, ones work faster. Gel caps are slow as hell too. That helps me get to sleep.
If I wake up middle of the night, and feel sleepless, I will just take another 50mg. Takes like 15 minutes to kick in.

Night sweats comes with the territory. I go from feeling colder and needing to cover up, then hot and needing to have the fan directly at me.
I set house temp to 65.
I found that legs exposed below the knee, with fan pointed there, keeps me just the right temp.
My wife also got me a sheet that she says regulates body temperature or some thing.

Now, the mental issue I run into is, I get pissed off at TIME.
I start to feel like I need more time and there isn't enough time to get shit done. Then I get a helpless angry feeling.
Then I stare at one spot just in a rage, and tell myself it's the Tren. Then do something fun to take the mind off of it.
Masturbation works wonders too. Post Nutt Clarity is what I call it.

I used to run Deca pretty high while running Tren.
Like 900 Test E, 900 Deca, 75mg Tren A(or 600mg Tren E)

Now, since I lowered my Deca when using Tren, alot of the mental stuff has went away pretty much.
Right now finishing 900 Test E, 600 Tren E, 200mg Deca.
No AI, No DA, Nolva to block @ 20mg E3D
Cialis @ 10mg ED

Been pretty great, but the night sweats will happen here and there regardless.

Another note is there are studies on low estrogen and relationship Jealousy. I was taking cookie cutter dose of Aromasin, and with estrogen in Range, thought I was fine.
NOPE. Way to low if taking supra physiological dosages of gear. Letting my estrogen stay higher, got rid of the insane mental issues I was having when I was first running Tren A.
If your running AI and having mental issues, try lowering or removing AI, block with Nolva, and have a DA handy just in case, since you are letting your estrogen run higher.

I have preached about this for years. If you take caber and all other things are in order, you will not have any emotional side effects from tren.

Its all dopamine related.

ALSO prami is not the same as caber, do not be misled.

BPP

Originally Posted by ilovehgh

I tried prami many moons ago and that shit fucked with my head so bad I couldn't control my emotions AT ALL. I acted like I was bipolar, HUGE mood swings and very quick to violence. Didn't help AT ALL that I had a drinking problem at the time lol. The mood swings lasted a long time after use so I'm guessing it fucked up my brain chemistry and all that?

I'd like to try caber, but taking stuff that directly affects brain chemistry is a no go for me. For my previous tren cycles I always took 12.5mgs aromasin EOD and it kept everything working fine for me and only bad tren sides I got were lack of sleep, raccoon eyes

So yah Prami is some SERIOUS shit!!!

Caber is a diff animal. Im prone to drinking and exploding and caber on tren helps.