Thread: Caber and muscle tightness/pain

Originally Posted by unclemoney

So I had ran recently tren-e for 5 weeks at 200mg/wk with 200mg/wk of test E and anavar at 50mg/ed.

The anavar pumps got to be too much so I dropped that and then towards the end of the 5 weeks of tren the sides got to me and I quit that 2 weeks ago and switched midstream to 400mg/wk of test e and 250mg/wk deca/eq.

Well I wasn't able to ring things in with arimidex and raloxifene so I started caber last Saturday night before bed and I didn't make the connection at the time but the following day my left quad completely locked up doing some yard work. Completely different from a painful cramp that comes n goes, this is constant tension and feels way different. I can massage it/roll it, taurine, magnesium, sodium, nada works, barely got through my leg workout today.

Anywho, the addition of the caber was the only thing new to me as I usually ran eq/deca super low (62.5mg/wk) with my 200mg/wk test prior to the recent blast. Though I suppose upping the doses and nitrogen/glycogen retention can induce cramps but it wasn't til the introduction of caber that my left quad just locked up painfully and it definitely feels way different than a pump/cramp.

I wish I would've made the correlation sooner as it didn't occur to me til after taking a 2nd caber pill last night.

Ypu like many people in these days abuse AI and crash estrogen . The sides from crash estrogen are horrible . Dostinex is almost sides free

Originally Posted by bigpapapumpaf

I'm not certain how or why you were taking armidex and ralox at the same time and or why adding caber. What exactly were your sides effects?

Caber is generally side effect free unless you were taking stupid amounts. It is not harmful to take on or off cycle.

Armidex would have killed all estrogen and adding ralox was a no no as it kinda does the same but in a different manner. It is what was giving you the cramps. What protocol were you using?

BPP

If I recall correctly Ralox & Adex have a drug interaction that reduces efficacy of both by @ 25%.

Adex has several drug interaction that apply to the ancillaries we commonly use therefore IME/IMO Asin is the better choice.

Originally Posted by Riggs

If I recall correctly Ralox & Adex have a drug interaction that reduces efficacy of both by @ 25%.

Adex has several drug interaction that apply to the ancillaries we commonly use therefore IME/IMO Asin is the better choice.

I had read about nolva doing so with arimidex and imagined ralox would have a similar effect.

I had previously assumed an AI was an AI, and have been using arimidex for years, but just saw your post the other day on aromasin vs arimidex so I'm definitely going to make the switch as I wasn't aware of the other impacts such has on health markers.

To the other post above... I wasn't trying to "abuse" AI's, I wanted to give ralox a run and see if I could shrink some pre existing gyno but things started to flare up and my first response was up the AI and then lastly the caber. I am thankful for all the input and advice though as I'm always learning and you all are probably right about the crashed e2. I'll have to see where things are with some bloods to know for sure, trt has been constant but when I add in compounds or increase doses then it'd probably be my best bet to see what changes while blasting and not just leave things to guess work so that's definitely on me.

Anyone using pramipexole to control prolactin instead of dostinex because here is 15 times cheaper than dostinex?