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Caber and muscle tightness/pain
So I had ran recently tren-e for 5 weeks at 200mg/wk with 200mg/wk of test E and anavar at 50mg/ed.
The anavar pumps got to be too much so I dropped that and then towards the end of the 5 weeks of tren the sides got to me and I quit that 2 weeks ago and switched midstream to 400mg/wk of test e and 250mg/wk deca/eq.
Well I wasn't able to ring things in with arimidex and raloxifene so I started caber last Saturday night before bed and I didn't make the connection at the time but the following day my left quad completely locked up doing some yard work. Completely different from a painful cramp that comes n goes, this is constant tension and feels way different. I can massage it/roll it, taurine, magnesium, sodium, nada works, barely got through my leg workout today.
Anywho, the addition of the caber was the only thing new to me as I usually ran eq/deca super low (62.5mg/wk) with my 200mg/wk test prior to the recent blast. Though I suppose upping the doses and nitrogen/glycogen retention can induce cramps but it wasn't til the introduction of caber that my left quad just locked up painfully and it definitely feels way different than a pump/cramp.
I wish I would've made the correlation sooner as it didn't occur to me til after taking a 2nd caber pill last night.
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I'm not certain how or why you were taking armidex and ralox at the same time and or why adding caber. What exactly were your sides effects?
Caber is generally side effect free unless you were taking stupid amounts. It is not harmful to take on or off cycle.
Armidex would have killed all estrogen and adding ralox was a no no as it kinda does the same but in a different manner. It is what was giving you the cramps. What protocol were you using?
BPP
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Thanks for the replies!
I had suspected the caber but wasn't sure.
As to the arimidex and raloxifene... I definitely want to make the switch to aromasin after running out, but I did up the arimidex frequency to eod whereas before it was once a week, and I know ralox is a serm and blocks the good ol' receptor from estrogen binding but I was still getting swollen/painfulness so caber was the last bit.
I had previously been able to keep my e2 to mid 30's with arimidex once a week on my trt but I did a blind stab in the dark which isn't the smartest once on tren when I noticed gyno started flaring up as the general forum(googled, not necessarily on here) consensus seems to say you need high e2 to get the prolactin sides but that didn't seem to hold true for me and I'm only parroting what I've read so I don't know the actual validity as too much is speculative without bloodwork.
I'll ease back off the arimidex and I probably don't need the ralox either because as soon as I took that first caber dose of .5 the nipplepotamus madness stopped.
It does seem like what you've said about crashed e2 and the pain might be correlated. I'll back off the arimidex and stop the ralox n find out.
Thanks!
Last edited by unclemoney; 06-16-2021 at 06:36 PM.
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Originally Posted by
unclemoney
So I had ran recently tren-e for 5 weeks at 200mg/wk with 200mg/wk of test E and anavar at 50mg/ed.
The anavar pumps got to be too much so I dropped that and then towards the end of the 5 weeks of tren the sides got to me and I quit that 2 weeks ago and switched midstream to 400mg/wk of test e and 250mg/wk deca/eq.
Well I wasn't able to ring things in with arimidex and raloxifene so I started caber last Saturday night before bed and I didn't make the connection at the time but the following day my left quad completely locked up doing some yard work. Completely different from a painful cramp that comes n goes, this is constant tension and feels way different. I can massage it/roll it, taurine, magnesium, sodium, nada works, barely got through my leg workout today.
Anywho, the addition of the caber was the only thing new to me as I usually ran eq/deca super low (62.5mg/wk) with my 200mg/wk test prior to the recent blast. Though I suppose upping the doses and nitrogen/glycogen retention can induce cramps but it wasn't til the introduction of caber that my left quad just locked up painfully and it definitely feels way different than a pump/cramp.
I wish I would've made the correlation sooner as it didn't occur to me til after taking a 2nd caber pill last night.
Ypu like many people in these days abuse AI and crash estrogen . The sides from crash estrogen are horrible . Dostinex is almost sides free
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Originally Posted by
bigpapapumpaf
I'm not certain how or why you were taking armidex and ralox at the same time and or why adding caber. What exactly were your sides effects?
Caber is generally side effect free unless you were taking stupid amounts. It is not harmful to take on or off cycle.
Armidex would have killed all estrogen and adding ralox was a no no as it kinda does the same but in a different manner. It is what was giving you the cramps. What protocol were you using?
BPP
If I recall correctly Ralox & Adex have a drug interaction that reduces efficacy of both by @ 25%.
Adex has several drug interaction that apply to the ancillaries we commonly use therefore IME/IMO Asin is the better choice.
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Riggs
If I recall correctly Ralox & Adex have a drug interaction that reduces efficacy of both by @ 25%.
Adex has several drug interaction that apply to the ancillaries we commonly use therefore IME/IMO Asin is the better choice.
I had read about nolva doing so with arimidex and imagined ralox would have a similar effect.
I had previously assumed an AI was an AI, and have been using arimidex for years, but just saw your post the other day on aromasin vs arimidex so I'm definitely going to make the switch as I wasn't aware of the other impacts such has on health markers.
To the other post above... I wasn't trying to "abuse" AI's, I wanted to give ralox a run and see if I could shrink some pre existing gyno but things started to flare up and my first response was up the AI and then lastly the caber. I am thankful for all the input and advice though as I'm always learning and you all are probably right about the crashed e2. I'll have to see where things are with some bloods to know for sure, trt has been constant but when I add in compounds or increase doses then it'd probably be my best bet to see what changes while blasting and not just leave things to guess work so that's definitely on me.
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Originally Posted by
unclemoney
I had read about nolva doing so with arimidex and imagined ralox would have a similar effect.
I had previously assumed an AI was an AI, and have been using arimidex for years, but just saw your post the other day on aromasin vs arimidex so I'm definitely going to make the switch as I wasn't aware of the other impacts such has on health markers.
To the other post above... I wasn't trying to "abuse" AI's, I wanted to give ralox a run and see if I could shrink some pre existing gyno but things started to flare up and my first response was up the AI and then lastly the caber. I am thankful for all the input and advice though as I'm always learning and you all are probably right about the crashed e2. I'll have to see where things are with some bloods to know for sure, trt has been constant but when I add in compounds or increase doses then it'd probably be my best bet to see what changes while blasting and not just leave things to guess work so that's definitely on me.
Bloods are inexpensive. I do a once a yr comprehensive bloods that cost me $300. The regular bloods are @ $70...3 of those is $210 a yr. If a user can't afford $210 a yr on bloods IMO they can't afford to run Testosterone & AAS.
Last edited by Riggs; 06-16-2021 at 11:30 PM.
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Caber makes me actually feel better then not taking it ,my doctor has me taking it all the time because of tendencies of me to have high prolactin issues and it’s nice to take it all the the time with the positive side sexual side affects it has on me
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Anyone using pramipexole to control prolactin instead of dostinex because here is 15 times cheaper than dostinex?
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