^^^^^ cheers guys just wanted to say I've used tren many times but this cycle is for more of a stamina kind of thing, in my 40's and love tren for the weights but messes my cardio up big time. RockShawn looked for raw grain alcohol 99% and can't find it anywhere, I've heard the PTREN is superb and would love to try it out and maybe do a log while using it as its something many in my game would love, I'm from the UK and can't believe I'm having trouble finding the bits I need to mix it up. Your a lucky fella RockShawn you'll have to please let me know how you get on when it comes to any cardio you do. Thanks guys. MM.