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Okay bros help me out with this. I’m sure it’s on here and I may be asking a bit much but my question is about estrogen and AI and if someone can try to break it down simply.
When I’m just running my trt I usually take an AI. I was having some lido and other issues so I dropped the AI and felt pretty damn good.
Running anything plus my TRT I take an AI and it seems to make things decent.
My question is this. Is there is certain point for people like us where we should or should not take an AI?
I feel like figuring this out and SHBG is the honest key to having a great physique.
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You need to look at your labs to know. Take the guess work out
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I just let it fall where it may. I feel like, assuming no gyno etc, if my test is high then my estro should be too. It's a ratio thing I think. I say estrogen has to many benefits to just suppress and keep "normal"
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Originally Posted by
Bigred29
Okay bros help me out with this. I’m sure it’s on here and I may be asking a bit much but my question is about estrogen and AI and if someone can try to break it down simply.
When I’m just running my trt I usually take an AI. I was having some lido and other issues so I dropped the AI and felt pretty damn good.
Running anything plus my TRT I take an AI and it seems to make things decent.
My question is this. Is there is certain point for people like us where we should or should not take an AI?
I feel like figuring this out and SHBG is the honest key to having a great physique.
Pardon my frustration, its not with you, but the FKING DR.S dont decide SHXT based on their "knowledge" EVERYONE they put on trt gets arimidex, which:
Destroys bone density
Can crash your estro easily
AND they have you taking the shit WEEK 1 ... before the tiny amount of test they crumb out to you even starts to aromatize!
The best answer is AROMASIN!
Instead of destroying estrogen or blocking it from binding to specific sites (like nolvadex does) it simply binds to the aromatic sites so that they are blocked and no conversion occurs.
It boosts your bio-available "Free Test" as well!
Doctors are mostly robots now: They plug your info into a "WebMD" type of system and the do whatever the program says to do.
Starting aromsin on the 4th-5th week of trt.... or 4-5 weeks from the start of a cycle ... @ 12.5mgs e3d should cover the bases for most.
Last edited by IRISHOAK; 04-15-2022 at 01:36 PM.
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Originally Posted by
IRISHOAK
Pardon my frustration, its not with you, but the FKING DR.S dont decide SHXT based on their "knowledge" EVERYONE they put on trt gets arimidex, which:
Destroys bone density
Can crash your estro easily
AND they have you taking the shit WEEK 1 ... before the tiny amount of test they crumb out to you even starts to aromatize!
The best answer is AROMASIN!
Instead of destroying estrogen or blocking it from binding to specific sites (like nolvadex does) it simply binds to the aromatic sites so that they are blocked and no conversion occurs.
It boosts your bio-available "Free Test" as well!
Doctors are mostly robots now: They plug your info into a "WebMD" type of system and the do whatever the program says to do.
Starting aromsin on the 4th-5th week of trt.... or 4-5 weeks from the start of a cycle ... @ 12.5mgs e3d should cover the bases for most.
I agree with this message.
If you don’t want to get bloods done, start deducting shit out that may be a culprit. Bloods on trt in kinda silly if you’ve been doing this shit a while but most people go straight to “go get bloods done”. Brother you’re not on a cycle, not really necessary.
I run aromasin when on cycle but I don’t run anything on TRT.
Take zinc
Take mast
Last edited by Popeye*; 04-16-2022 at 11:21 AM.
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I’ve only ran mast maybe twice back in the day and who knows if it was even real plus I was on a few other things. I don’t even really remember how it felt it’s been so many years but what’s the benefit to last. I hear people reference it often when it comes to stuff like this but never had a full understanding as to why. QUOTE=Popeye*;1239592]I agree with this message.
If you don’t want to get bloods done, start deducting shit out that may be a culprit. Bloods on trt in kinda silly if you’ve been doing this shit a while but most people go straight to “go get bloods done”. Brother you’re not on a cycle, not really necessary.
I run aromasin when on cycle but I don’t run anything on TRT.
Take zinc
Take mast[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by
Bigred29
I’ve only ran mast maybe twice back in the day and who knows if it was even real plus I was on a few other things. I don’t even really remember how it felt it’s been so many years but what’s the benefit to last. I hear people reference it often when it comes to stuff like this but never had a full understanding as to why. QUOTE=Popeye*;1239592]I agree with this message.
If you don’t want to get bloods done, start deducting shit out that may be a culprit. Bloods on trt in kinda silly if you’ve been doing this shit a while but most people go straight to “go get bloods done”. Brother you’re not on a cycle, not really necessary.
I run aromasin when on cycle but I don’t run anything on TRT.
Take zinc
Take mast
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I think the question is about Mast? If you're asking about the connection between Mast and estro regulation, some believe Mast will help with keeping estro in check. If it does, it does it indirectly and minimally. If you want to regulate estro in my opinion, use something designed for it, aromasin is my choice.
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Originally Posted by
Bigred29
I’ve only ran mast maybe twice back in the day and who knows if it was even real plus I was on a few other things. I don’t even really remember how it felt it’s been so many years but what’s the benefit to last. I hear people reference it often when it comes to stuff like this but never had a full understanding as to why. QUOTE=Popeye*;1239592]I agree with this message.
If you don’t want to get bloods done, start deducting shit out that may be a culprit. Bloods on trt in kinda silly if you’ve been doing this shit a while but most people go straight to “go get bloods done”. Brother you’re not on a cycle, not really necessary.
I run aromasin when on cycle but I don’t run anything on TRT.
Take zinc
Take mast
Well back to your original question of “is there a certain point where people like us should or should not take an AI?”
Yes. I do believe so. Yea u can do blood work while on trt and while on cycle and or both. But most people don’t do this.
In general, while on TRT, I use nothing but zinc. However I’ve done my blood work to see where my estrogen is on and off TRT and on cycles. I personally liken my estrogen a bit higher and never cause it to crash. Been there and is terrible. This hormone is just as important if not more important than testosterone. IMO.
I really believe you would benefit more from either proviron or masteron, while on TRT especially, and would likely not need an AI. I run an AI like aromasin when running shit that I know raises my estrogen too high.
Keep us posted brother
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You bloods but on TRT you shouldn’t need an AI.
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@samgraves I guess that’s my question, not what the ranges on the test is considered high but what have you guys determined high for yourself. For example when I get bloods and I’m just doing TRT my estrogen without AI is 26 maybe hits 30 when I’m adding something extra it hits around 44 and above. On one occasion it was in the high 70s but I still didn’t have any gyno or estrogen related side effects. It was just that one time tho.
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