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Originally Posted by
Loomer1
Who else does this? Many of my blasts go like this... 15 weeks And let's say I'm running
Test, deca, mast, dbol, and proviron.
The 1st 5 weeks, then I'll swap out mast for primo and deca for ment also stop the dbol.
Then after 5 weeks I'll swap out ment for tren and primo for eq and start up adrol for the last 4 weeks. I just re read and that looks confusing so I'll lay out the cycle
Weeks 1-5
Test, deca, mast, dbol, proviron
Weeks 6-10
Test, ment, primo, proviron
Weeks 11-15
Test, tren, eq, adrol, proviron
I like this method cause once you start building tolerance and get used to a compound you switch it out. Always keeping the body in a state of shock and keeping it guessing.
Sometimes I do just run a straight blast and keep it simple.
Anyone do this too? If yes, do you feel you get better results swapping things?
My friend Mike “Mr Condition” Toscano would run his off season cycles like that. So there is something to it. Like you, he’s a big dude.
Originally Posted by
Jaxz
I usually don't change if I'm running short esters I stay the course . If I'm running long esters I do tbe same now I change the orals I run .
Only thing I may do is run sust at the beginning of a cycle then change to C ,E or A ester test.
I do t run test p for the most part unless it's in a blend . I just get pip from it no matter what even after 20 years .
I’m the same way. Even with the Organon Sust redi-jects, the injection site swells like a softball. As a Rep I get asked this a lot. “Your test prop or test 400 has some pip to it. I let them know it’s to be expected. Then they tell me how the last guys prop was painless.
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Originally Posted by
sledgehammer
My friend Mike “Mr Condition” Toscano would run his off season cycles like that. So there is something to it. Like you, he’s a big dude.
I’m the same way. Even with the Organon Sust redi-jects, the injection site swells like a softball. As a Rep I get asked this a lot. “Your test prop or test 400 has some pip to it. I let them know it’s to be expected. Then they tell me how the last guys prop was painless.
I'm thankful I can run prop. It's my 2nd go to. But I do have a limit, anything over 125mg a day gives me test flu. Tren ace and primo ace... now those do give me slight pip. But its bearable
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EQ is a long esther. Takes a while to get into ur system and works best running in longer cycles. 5 weeks isn't doing much at all cause soon as its even beginning to work you are stoping it. Keep it simple and run ur Test and EQ the whole cycle through. Instead of swapping out the compound for a completely new one just start your doses lower and titrate up the dose slightly every 4-5 weeks.
Deca is also a longer esther so it takes minimum 3 weeks to get into ur system fully and your getting a max of 2 weeks of benefit from it and barely that. Seen a lot of younger guys doing all kinds stuff like this and imo wasting a lot of $$$ on their gear without getting the full effect on any of it.
Tried and true Pro cycle from lotta guys I've trained with is Pick 2 compounds (Test & Deca or Test and EQ) run those for the whole 16-20 weeks using an Oral kicker for the 1st 4-5 weeks. At the 5 week mark take out orals and add in your tren...run that 6-8 weeks along with the Test & EQ, and then towards the end of the cycle you can add in some Anavar if you wanna really harden up more. If competing, guys drop the Deca/EQ in favor of Masteron the last 4-6 weeks to get flush all the water.
If U feel like what you're doing is working for you then obviously you'll keep doing it. Just chiming in with another perspective
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Originally Posted by
Loomer1
Who else does this? Many of my blasts go like this... 15 weeks And let's say I'm running
Test, deca, mast, dbol, and proviron.
The 1st 5 weeks, then I'll swap out mast for primo and deca for ment also stop the dbol.
Then after 5 weeks I'll swap out ment for tren and primo for eq and start up adrol for the last 4 weeks. I just re read and that looks confusing so I'll lay out the cycle
Weeks 1-5
Test, deca, mast, dbol, proviron
Weeks 6-10
Test, ment, primo, proviron
Weeks 11-15
Test, tren, eq, adrol, proviron
I like this method cause once you start building tolerance and get used to a compound you switch it out. Always keeping the body in a state of shock and keeping it guessing.
Sometimes I do just run a straight blast and keep it simple.
Anyone do this too? If yes, do you feel you get better results swapping things?
I like the way you rotator one progesterone derivative for another, and you rotate one DHT derivative for another, plus rotating in and out various orals. Very solid thinking! Always have some form of test as the base. 
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Originally Posted by
MasterBlaster805
EQ is a long esther. Takes a while to get into ur system and works best running in longer cycles. 5 weeks isn't doing much at all cause soon as its even beginning to work you are stoping it. Keep it simple and run ur Test and EQ the whole cycle through. Instead of swapping out the compound for a completely new one just start your doses lower and titrate up the dose slightly every 4-5 weeks.
Deca is also a longer esther so it takes minimum 3 weeks to get into ur system fully and your getting a max of 2 weeks of benefit from it and barely that. Seen a lot of younger guys doing all kinds stuff like this and imo wasting a lot of $$$ on their gear without getting the full effect on any of it.
Tried and true Pro cycle from lotta guys I've trained with is Pick 2 compounds (Test & Deca or Test and EQ) run those for the whole 16-20 weeks using an Oral kicker for the 1st 4-5 weeks. At the 5 week mark take out orals and add in your tren...run that 6-8 weeks along with the Test & EQ, and then towards the end of the cycle you can add in some Anavar if you wanna really harden up more. If competing, guys drop the Deca/EQ in favor of Masteron the last 4-6 weeks to get flush all the water.
If U feel like what you're doing is working for you then obviously you'll keep doing it. Just chiming in with another perspective
I'm all for a different perspective. You're right about the longer esters taking a while to fully kick and what you're saying is logical. I've ran cycles that way as well. Keeping the long esters on through the full cycle with 4-6 weeks of different orals and fast oils.
The only thing I would debate on is the oral kicker. I understand the thinking behind it but relying on just an oral while waiting for the test and whatever to kick in wastes the potential of all of it working together.
I do seem to get the best results rotating everything besides the test but I'll still run things differently every blast just cause I enjoy trying new methods or at least rotating methods.
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Originally Posted by
JJB1
I like the way you rotator one progesterone derivative for another, and you rotate one DHT derivative for another, plus rotating in and out various orals. Very solid thinking! Always have some form of test as the base.
Appreciate it brotha, I have ran pretty much that exact cycle and got great results. I feel like trying to get 1 from each family in the stack is a good way to go. Kinda like hitting muscle growth at all angles.
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