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Estradiol Level Advice
Hey all, looking for some advice on Estadiol control, heading into my 4th cycle soon (bulk) and trying to nail down how to best control my E2 levels for the best results. I've read keeping a decent amount of E2 is necessary for anabolism and you dont want to crash levels but what does this actually mean, should I be aiming to keep E2 within the refernece ranges or is it fine to have it double or triple? below are some lab results from previous cycles and I should note that I've never had any gyno, water retention or loss of libido and have always felt pretty good except when on super calorie restricted diet sleep was an issue but I think this was due to getting too excited with the Tren dose which I wont be re-visiting. Any advice on how to best manage E2 moving forward would be apreciated, go by feel or up my Aromasin to try get it under the ref range?
I'm in Oz so levels for E2 are measured in pmol/l and the reference range is >150
Stats - 32yo
Height - 179cm
5 weeks into a cycle - 375mg Test E, 30mg DBol ed, no AI
Weight - 94kg
BF ~ 14%
| Hormones |
|
| Testosterone |
10 - 30 |
nmol/L |
42.2 |
| Free Testosterone |
150 - 700 |
pmol/L |
1511 |
| Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHGB) |
13 - 71 |
nmol/L |
9 |
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
246 |
| Luteinizing Hormone (LH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
< 1 |
| Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
< 1 |
| Prolactin (PRL) |
< 300 |
mIU/L |
299 |
| Progesterone |
< 3 |
nmol/L |
5 |
10 weeks into same cycle - 375mg Test E, no AI
Weight - 92kg
BF ~ 12%
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
514 |
4 weeks into cycle - 500mg Test E, 200mg Tren pw, 0.5 Adex Mon/Thur
Weight - 91kg
BF ~ 10%
| Hormones |
|
| Testosterone |
10 - 30 |
nmol/L |
55 |
| Free Testosterone |
150 - 700 |
pmol/L |
1797 |
| Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHGB) |
13 - 71 |
nmol/L |
18 |
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
183 |
10 weeks into same cycle - 500mg Test E, 300mg Tren pw, 0.5 Adex Mon/Thur
Weight - 92kg
BF ~ 10%
| Hormones |
|
| Testosterone |
10 - 30 |
nmol/L |
55 |
| Free Testosterone |
150 - 700 |
pmol/L |
2060 |
| Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHGB) |
13 - 71 |
nmol/L |
10 |
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
357 |
| Luteinizing Hormone (LH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
< 1 |
| Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
< 1 |
| Prolactin (PRL) |
< 300 |
mIU/L |
426 |
| Progesterone |
< 3 |
nmol/L |
4 |
8 weeks into cycle - 500mg Test E pw, 100mg Tren eod, 12.5 aromasin eod
Weight - 89kg
BF ~ 9%
| Hormones |
|
| Testosterone |
10 - 30 |
nmol/L |
34 |
| Free Testosterone |
150 - 700 |
pmol/L |
1213 |
| Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHGB) |
13 - 71 |
nmol/L |
9 |
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
268 |
| Luteinizing Hormone (LH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
< 1 |
| Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
1 |
| Prolactin (PRL) |
< 300 |
mIU/L |
294 |
| Progesterone |
< 3 |
nmol/L |
5 |
13 weeks into same cycle - 500mg Test E pw, 100mg Tren eod, no ai
Weight - 88kg
BF ~ 8%
| Hormones |
|
| Testosterone |
10 - 30 |
nmol/L |
42 |
| Free Testosterone |
150 - 700 |
pmol/L |
1587 |
| Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHGB) |
13 - 71 |
nmol/L |
8 |
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
431 |
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Hey all, looking for some advice on Estadiol control, heading into my 4th cycle soon (bulk) and trying to nail down how to best control my E2 levels for the best results. I've read keeping a decent amount of E2 is necessary for anabolism and you dont want to crash levels but what does this actually mean, should I be aiming to keep E2 within the refernece ranges or is it fine to have it double or triple? below are some lab results from previous cycles and I should note that I've never had any gyno, water retention or loss of libido and have always felt pretty good except when on super calorie restricted diet sleep was an issue but I think this was due to getting too excited with the Tren dose which I wont be re-visiting. Any advice on how to best manage E2 moving forward would be apreciated, go by feel or up my Aromasin to try get it under the ref range?
I'm in Oz so levels for E2 are measured in pmol/l and the reference range is >150
Stats - 32yo
Height - 179cm
5 weeks into a cycle - 375mg Test E, 30mg DBol ed, no AI
Weight - 94kg
BF ~ 14%
| Hormones |
|
| Testosterone |
10 - 30 |
nmol/L |
42.2 |
| Free Testosterone |
150 - 700 |
pmol/L |
1511 |
| Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHGB) |
13 - 71 |
nmol/L |
9 |
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
246 |
| Luteinizing Hormone (LH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
< 1 |
| Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
< 1 |
| Prolactin (PRL) |
< 300 |
mIU/L |
299 |
| Progesterone |
< 3 |
nmol/L |
5 |
10 weeks into same cycle - 375mg Test E, no AI
Weight - 92kg
BF ~ 12%
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
514 |
4 weeks into cycle - 500mg Test E, 200mg Tren pw, 0.5 Adex Mon/Thur
Weight - 91kg
BF ~ 10%
| Hormones |
|
| Testosterone |
10 - 30 |
nmol/L |
55 |
| Free Testosterone |
150 - 700 |
pmol/L |
1797 |
| Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHGB) |
13 - 71 |
nmol/L |
18 |
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
183 |
10 weeks into same cycle - 500mg Test E, 300mg Tren pw, 0.5 Adex Mon/Thur
Weight - 92kg
BF ~ 10%
| Hormones |
|
| Testosterone |
10 - 30 |
nmol/L |
55 |
| Free Testosterone |
150 - 700 |
pmol/L |
2060 |
| Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHGB) |
13 - 71 |
nmol/L |
10 |
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
357 |
| Luteinizing Hormone (LH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
< 1 |
| Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
< 1 |
| Prolactin (PRL) |
< 300 |
mIU/L |
426 |
| Progesterone |
< 3 |
nmol/L |
4 |
8 weeks into cycle - 500mg Test E pw, 100mg Tren eod, 12.5 aromasin eod
Weight - 89kg
BF ~ 9%
| Hormones |
|
| Testosterone |
10 - 30 |
nmol/L |
34 |
| Free Testosterone |
150 - 700 |
pmol/L |
1213 |
| Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHGB) |
13 - 71 |
nmol/L |
9 |
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
268 |
| Luteinizing Hormone (LH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
< 1 |
| Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) |
1 - 10 |
IU/L |
1 |
| Prolactin (PRL) |
< 300 |
mIU/L |
294 |
| Progesterone |
< 3 |
nmol/L |
5 |
13 weeks into same cycle - 500mg Test E pw, 100mg Tren eod, no ai
Weight - 88kg
BF ~ 8%
| Hormones |
|
| Testosterone |
10 - 30 |
nmol/L |
42 |
| Free Testosterone |
150 - 700 |
pmol/L |
1587 |
| Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHGB) |
13 - 71 |
nmol/L |
8 |
| Oestradiol |
< 150 |
pmol/L |
431 |
E2 is where you get strength and size with :ration with test. If test goes up so does e2. I feel most drown it to try to get it isn’t he norm when cycling which doesn’t make sense. Some will say don’t take an AI unless you have sides, or are prone to e2 sides. I have heard a ratio of 20:1 is good but don’t mark me on that. I personally take an AI as I am e2 sensitive. My libido will go like that. Some don’t and are fine and lay off the AI until they need it.
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If you're not experiencing any negative sides I really wouldn't worry about it. If you can hold a high estro w/o the negatives that's great. Having it on the high end while on a good amount of gear will only help with gains.
Personally I recommend 25mg proviron twice a day. With that all of your numbers should look better especially free test. Itll knock down the estro but not too much. It should help balance prolactin/progesterone as well.
I'm like you, I dont get estro related sides. The less support drugs you need the better.
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