Further update: had to drop the mast altogether unfortunately.... no matter how much I lowered it, it just kept the joints aching, but it wasn't just pain-thresholds that are tolerable, it literally made some old haunting previous tears resurface and made me afraid I was about ready to re-tear some old stuff that had healed up.... Dropped the mast and everything is nice and buttery again. I get the same thing from all DHT compounds, looks like if I ever want the extra boost maybe in the future a little anavar as a pre-workout boost, elsewise any DHT derived steroid just really does a number on my joints and my body doesn't tolerate it... really sucks because I love what it does mentally and drive wise but I'd rather have my body's functionality and not having to worry as I near my top sets on my prime movements.

Everybody's body isn't the same, but I've learned mine through trial and error with different compounds so figured I'd share what has happened to me as there might be others to stand to benefit from it.... And I'm pretty hard headed too and don't like to give up without giving a good go at things... on mast (even at lower dosages) everything felt arthritic, pain in wrist/hands, elbows, knees, shoulders, everything got super dry and creaky/painful, I loved the neurological stimulation and that extra on fire feeling to make weights seem lighter through that drive, even takes my grip strength up huge notches especially despite the increased pain levels.

I'll choose buttery smooth joints though over feeling like I've aged beyond my years, so if you're on it and experiencing things just drop it, I played and tinked around with more test or more nandrolone with less mast but ultimately the mast just had to be dropped.