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inflamed tendon post test injection
Since summertime I've been having issues with my front left delt and pain in that area... So much so I haven't been able to bench much and OHP gets aggravated too.
When I'm cruising it's 200mg test and 125mg nandrolone, and I notice the next morning after injection my left delt will be absolutely killing me. (injected elsewhere)
Due to such I wanted to run my own little experiment and noticed if I inject nandrolone only it does not do so, but it is post testosterone injection that results in the inflammatory response (and it's really noticeable). (I also don't run an AI).
I've been running the above numbers for years with no problems until earlier this year, I think I'm going to try out daily micro injections (not changing weekly totals) and see if maybe it's just the sudden onset too much in one go. Or... it possibly could be a reaction to the carrier oil? (I'm only hypothesizing here as I honestly don't know).
I did used to frequently inject my delts in the past, but once I started having this issue I switched to other sites and that didn't resolve the issue.
Just thought I'd make this post because I'm trying to rack my brain and figure out what the cause is and what changes I might need to make.
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inflamed tendon post test injection
Are you running test cyp or test e? My guess is it’s the ester. I can’t pin test e. I have tried different labs or even test e and c from the same lab. I get pip real bad from test e but test c I gave no problem with
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Originally Posted by
kubes
Are you running test cyp or test e? My guess is it’s the ester. I can’t pin test e. I have tried different labs or even test e and c from the same lab. I get pip real bad from test e but test c I gave no problem with
That's an interesting avenue that I haven't possibly thought of before, unfortunately this is an E/C blend (bought a higher mg content so I could inject less oil... more pip though for sure). I'll have to try out different esters specifically and see for myself, appreciate the thought!
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Originally Posted by
unclemoney
That's an interesting avenue that I haven't possibly thought of before, unfortunately this is an E/C blend (bought a higher mg content so I could inject less oil... more pip though for sure). I'll have to try out different esters specifically and see for myself, appreciate the thought!
I would say if you are using a high mg blend that is the issue. There is always more pip
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Years back i had a large batch of 400mg/ml Test E that didnt do anything to me but practically crippled my friends that used it,the higher the concentration the more likely the pain.
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Pick up so mtc and cut the 400.
But I'd also do micro dosing myself I think it just keeps bloods more stable and I can do a little less for the same results. I run all my cycles micro dosed .
Also high blend will mostly have EO in it this could be causing the problem as well .
That's my opinion
Last edited by Jaxz; 11-26-2023 at 02:55 PM.
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Appreciate the input everyone!
I've decided to try out the daily injection route as well as doing it subq because I just want to give my IM injection sites a rest (I've never not done IM but for trt purposes sub-q looks promising so might as well try it).
I think you're right about cutting the blend with some MTC because I've sub-q'd plenty of peptides no problem/feeling at all... I loaded up a tiny smidge of the test in an insulin syringe to try out subq and even for that small amount of oil it felt like I was pressing in straight up fire, I'm guessing sub-q has more pain receptivity or something, no wonder my other sites were bothering me (never hurt whilst injecting in the muscle, but the after inflammatory response was horrendous).
Definitely will try cutting it with more oil and see how that affects things, then in the future might as well just buy the 250/200 mg/ml variety.
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I'd say definitely the high mg test is part of the problem. Ester and carrier oil can also cause issues but usually those would effect every pin site and not just one. Its probably a combination of high mg gear and a bad pin site. I have multiple sites that are no go zones after years of pinning. There are spots I have to pin around on my delts and my right quad has an area that gets very irritated when I pin anything not considered mild. I think you're pinning high pip gear in built up scar tissue. When you pin into a knot of scar tissue it takes a lot longer for the oil to spread and the Crystal's to break down. So the gear just sits there causing pip, redness and inflammation. Try pinning your left rear delt. I bet it won't cause any issues.
Also daily pins is the way to go. On top of the obvious benefits it'll keep your blood levels much more stable.
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So I've discovered some pretty confusing things, I think maybe I possibly am allergic to deca...
I originally thought it was the test giving the swelling and not the nandrolone especially due to higher mg content... but last night rather than mix the two together at only .075ml each for a total of .15ml of volume (as I'm doing daily dosing)... I did each one separately subq... the test one (which I was expecting to be the one causing the fire feeling) was actually quite mild and not bad at all, it was the nandrolone one that induced the feeling of fire going in, and this morning the nandrolone site is red but where I did the testosterone it's very minimal/unremarkable...
Over the years I've also just removed nandrolone entirely because I know it's not healthy regardless of amount to be on long term (even though it's still pretty tolerable) and everytime I'd reintroduce nandrolone I'd notice I'd wake up with my eyes slightly swollen and watery, never seemed that horrendous but definitely noticeable and only would happen post deca injection the following morning.
Both the deca and test are from the same source and both are in MCT oil which shows me that it's not the carrier oil. I had been running the same sources gear for a long time and just usually tolerated and ignored swelling/site soreness, but it wasn't until my recent what I believe to be shoulder impingement really affecting my pressing ability and then working through rehab exercises as well as going to get rid of knots in the chest/lat/shoulder that I finally was like, this is stupid to keep knotting up myself and creating additional pain points with oil on top of the other issues being faced... Why I just largely have decided to ignore things and not look more closely I have no idea. But hey, feels good to be looking at things a bit more closely!
Definitely appreciate the input again! And I'm going to ride out the daily subq method, will finally give my old sites a rest because in previous blasts I'd be pinning anywhere from 3-7 days a week IM and even when I'd switch back to cruising still once a week into sites that were pin cushioned up were still challenging to find favorable areas, but with a bit of traveling around I was still able to find fresh areas, but even new fresh areas can end up unpleasant over time.
The only reason I've kept deca in despite the above is it makes a noticeable impact on cns stimulation as well as my patellar tendonitis... Without the deca I'm pretty spent after my first 2 big compound movements and pushing through the rest of my workout is grueling, with deca my knee pain takes a backseat and that threshold is moved further back, and even after I finish my bigger movements I still have plenty of energy/drive/stimulation to finish the rest of my workout with great drive. But... I feel much better mentally on test alone.
Last edited by unclemoney; 11-30-2023 at 08:47 PM.
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Welp, found a few additional things out... definitely can't go the subq route, for some reason a couple hours after administering subq I get swollen eyelids, each day was progressively worse, the first 2 nights I hadn't put two n two together but it also wasn't too bad, but last night (which was the 3rd night in a row) it was really noticeable within a couple hours post injection and probably accumulative, going to switch back to IM as I've never had anything that drastic.
Been on the same stuff for so long, maybe just overuse led to some type of intolerance, because such type of responses is not something I ever used to contend with.
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