Thread: Cycles; the safe way.

Originally Posted by Zewi

threw in some basic cycles in here, to help. Starting a cycle should begin with a goal is this bulking or cutting once you decide that then it is LAYING OUT YOUR DIET without a DIET your Goals cannot be met.
Research Time—I don’t care if your new to AAS or a 30 year Vet(Viking) but when you make a cycle you do research again about each compound. Why do you do it, for three reasons.
to learn the compound again and again.
to see if any other studies have come out about that compound. (there are constantly new studies coming out that change our understandings of the way compounds work)
Too see other cycles the AAS world has ran using that compound. (good, bad, and ugly)
Once you have decided your Goal and DIET plane and have done your research on the gear you want now it’s time to put your cycle together and IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE IN THIS ORDER!!!!!
YOUR PCT
YOUR AI(also have at least letro or caber on hand)
YOU GEAR
Now on to some cycles---First let me say this. IF YOUR DIET IS CLEAN AND IN CHECK AND YOU WORK HARD YOU WILL ALWAYS MEET YOUR GOALS
One Last thing TREN is something you have to choose when to take or if ever. IMO unless you’re a pro you should never have to take Tren. IF your Diet is In check you work hard and understand what compounds do you will always hit your goals.
Also AI's most common Are Arimidex and Aromasin (adex is usally taken at .25mg E3D nipples get sore go to .25mg ED if still sor go to .5mg ED.. Aromasin 6.25mg ED or 12.5mg EOD)
1 Beginner cycle

1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week split
4-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI(do research on how to use and which to use Start PCT 15 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
2

1-4 Test P @ 100mg EOD
1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week split
4-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI(do research on how to use and which to use
Start PCT 15 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
3

1-4 Test P @ 100mg EOD
1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week split
4-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI(do research on how to use and which to use)
11-15 Test P @ 100mg EOD
Start PCT 3 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
4 IF YOU DO TEST E AND EQ TEST E should Always be 2 weeks longer in a cycle like this.(eq min 14 weeks, better at 16 best if ran to 18weeks 24 bestest ) If you have a Test p taper than you run the test and eq for the same time.

1-4 Test P @ 100mg EOD
1-18 Test E @ 500mg a week split (this can be 16)
1-16 EQ @ 400mg a week split(this can be 14)
4-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI(do research on how to use and which to use)
Start PCT 15 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
5 IMO it’s were you can start adding your first oral if you have been taking your liver supplements for at least a year.

read about liver protection

Any cycle above you just get to choose what oral.
Kick starters
1-4 Dbol
1-6 Tbol
1-4 Abomb
Enders
Last 4-6 weeks Anavar
Last 4-6 weeks Winny
And the non-oral ender Mast p 4-6 weeks
All this cycles can be used over and over again to meet every goal. However, if you have done your research you can start smaller cutting cycles like.
1-8 Test p @ 150mg EOD
3-8 Anavar @ 50mg ED (or maybe this is winny)
1-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI(do research on how to use and which to use)Start PCT 3 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Or something like this
1-8 Test P @ 150mg EOD
1-8 Mat P @ 100mg EOD
3-8 Anavar @ 50mg ED (or maybe this is winny)
1-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI(do research on how to use and which to use)Start PCT 3 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Or maybe you’re looking at a bulking cycle.
1-4 Dbol @ 50mg ED(tbol, abomb)
1-4 Test P @ 100mg EOD
1-18 Test E @ 500mg
1-16 EQ @ 400mg
1-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI(do research on how to use and which to use)Start PCT 15 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Or
1-4 Dbol
1-4 Test p @ 100mg EOD
1-18 Test E @ 750mg
1-16 EQ @ 600mg
1-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI(do research on how to use and which to use)Start PCT 15 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Could you just use letro as your AI throughout the cycle?

Originally Posted by quadfather1212

Could you just use letro as your AI throughout the cycle?

Letro also works, but the stuff is powerful and you can easily crash your estrogen with it. Been there, it sucked. Sex drive disappeared, tendons felt like they were gonna snap when lifting. yeah, it was rough.

When I started this last cycle I ran anadrol, which normally makes one retain huge amounts of water. However I read that letro, and letro specifically over the other common AI's, can help mitigate this. Figured I still had some left over so why not. Ran .5mg E4D and it seemed to do the trick nicely. Water weight was about seven pounds in the first week, but not enough where I had moon face or anything. I didn't draw bloods to see where my numbers were at, but my sex drive was still awesome and I wasn't crying during movies, so that seemed to be a good dose. Also, as I'm sure you know, you need estrogen for your gains.

Anyway, letro works, just be careful.

(Aromasin has a lot of positives going for it over adex and letro if you can get it)

I needed this post. Thanks.

Awesome post. I have always started my PCT 21 days after my last pin. That is what I had researched at the time. With that ester is it really that big of a difference? Also I ran it Test E at 800mgs a week for 16 weeks on that particular run. Thank you.

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amazing post! im not one to use orals cuz of my liver, could i use deca instead of the eq for a second cycle?

Originally Posted by tarzannigga

amazing post! im not one to use orals cuz of my liver, could i use deca instead of the eq for a second cycle?

It really depends on you, your lifestyle snd diet etc, in other words what kind of condition your liver is already in and do you take anything already that places undue stress on it?

I manage dianabol no dramas not even one, but I avoid any meds or drinking etc while taking it. Maybe try one of the shorter half life oral AAS so if you run into trouble you can halt and heal.