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      I havent really found a sweet spot yet but my last two cycles were done this way. I just know that high test and lower tren seems to only make you hold more water and weigh a few pounds more. My strength between the two is very comparable but the way i look on lower test is much more defined and hard; not as much water to make you look as puffy basically. I ran those cycles at 125mg test e e4d and 120mg tren a eod. Which would yield a ratio of ~225 test/420 tren a week. The theory is that tren battles the test for your receptors and always comes out on top or winning. So, there isnt really a need to run test much higher than what your body naturally needs to function properly and let the tren do is job and have those receptors. I was tested pre-cycle and my natural test runs 650-750, so i experimented and hit it right on the nose with my first trial run on low test. 125mg of test got me right at 650 and this is also where i stay during my cruise.
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      Keep in mind that running your ai correctly with good nutrition it should keep bloat down.
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      This is true also. My nutrition wasnt as clean before as it is now but still wasnt super dirty. The daily letro at the time probably kept my estrogen a bit too low but its what was recommended using back then and before i knew as much as i do now.
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      That sounds good. If I run low test high tren I'm thinking about 275mgs of andropen a week and 400mgs of tren e split into two doses. I haven't really found anything conclusive that would lead me in one direction or another. Ugh, decisions, decisions. Also, I run arimidex twice a week from the doc.

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      Quote Originally Posted by skyrim View Post
      That sounds good. If I run low test high tren I'm thinking about 275mgs of andropen a week and 400mgs of tren e split into two doses. I haven't really found anything conclusive that would lead me in one direction or another. Ugh, decisions, decisions. Also, I run arimidex twice a week from the doc.
      How much Adex are you running and we're is that keeping your estrogen level?
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      I had good results from low test high tren as far as body comp goes. And I agree with spoolin, looking much better with low test high tren. I ran 250mg test ei/ 500mg tren e EW for about 10-12. Body was great and less sides than when I had ran higher test than tren, but still not worth the mental affects from tren for me.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kubes View Post
      How much Adex are you running and we're is that keeping your estrogen level?
      I run 1mg twice a week from the doc and have had no sides whatsoever.

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      Quote Originally Posted by skyrim View Post
      I run 1mg twice a week from the doc and have had no sides whatsoever.
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      Doesnt adex hav a 2 day halflife though and should be taken every other day?

      I know i take my aroma twice a day, 12.5mg every 12 hrs, since its halflife is like 10 hrs.
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      Quote Originally Posted by spoolin View Post
      Doesnt adex hav a 2 day halflife though and should be taken every other day?
      Some people get away with 2xew remember half life is only the half life and it takes time for estrogen to rise again. .25 mg eod has been the standard starting dose though yes
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