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    Thread: VETS pass on your knowledge

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      I appreciate the dispersion of knowledge.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Scott84067r View Post
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      Thanks iron. Regardless of opinions, I appreciate you sharing some hard ran knowledge my man!


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      I picked up what you were putting down Ironmaster. This has potential to be a valuable thread!!

      I hope some other vets will throw in some good stuff too.


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      I (over) chimed in on the Dec/Dbol thread in AS. I started at 23, was 145 pounds and called a “fat skinny motherfucker” by my shipmates. I went up to around 170 lbs very fast. I did the old “taper up/taper down” method popular in the 80s. Never once did a PCT. I was a horny young sailor some my PCT was pussy. Never had an issue. Also never did a blood test.
      Over the years I have gone through many phases and some included gear and bodybuilding, although I never stopped training.
      About 3 years ago I started to get back into it as a lifestyle and was living in a country where gear is not controlled. I also started perusing the forums and while I was impressed with the proliferation of new information and products, I was aghast at the volume of gear guys use. Incredible doses by guys who have no intention of ever stepping on the dais.

      It seemed to me that “back in the day” we sat around the gym talking about foods, supplements, our pro inspirations and a little bit of gear talk. We didn’t have the vast array of compounds available now, although ALL of our gear, even if counterfeit, was legit. (I was in San Diego then). When some pro’s would come into town they would sleep on friend’s couches and they would share cycles that they knew other pro’s up in LA were doing. Some of these amounts were equal to what I see average Joes on forums using.
      Just like not trying to help String Bean Jimmy kettle bell reverse lift cross cable upsydaisy clean jerk dead (or whatever that exercise is supposed to be), I don’t bother telling anyone about gear or supplementation anymore. My wife keeps telling me I can’t save the world. It sucks because not only CAN I help people, I enjoy doing so. I just seem to have been relegated to the forums in my attempt to share my 30+ years of experience in the gym, with gear and nutrition.

      I have found that people will cling to every word spoken by a YouTube or Instagram “sensation” yet standing right next to you in the gym, looking at your physique, seeing you train and knowing you are devoted to the lifestyle, the just brush off ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you have to say.
      My business partner is a great example. Only two years ago he took Rich Piana’s comments about blends and “only 200mg fits into a ml” as gospel. He couldn’t be persuaded otherwise. So I took him into the lab, put 200mg Test e, 200mg Deca and 50mg of Test prop into a single ml. He watched it happen and still was skeptical. After about six month he gave it a go. That stuff is now a favorite of his and we’ve added it to our regular batches. He’s even asked me to bump the prop to 100mg. Lol!

      Agree or disagree, I think the contributions of everyone are valuable, especially vets of these subjects. I speak only the truth and about my personal experiences or those I KNOW to be factual, albeit perhaps anecdotal.
      I’m mature enough to sift through the rhetoric and glean useful information.

      Unfortunately this is the faceless internet, so people feel free to argue in non-productive ways, castigate posts based on other posts rather than actual personal knowledge and generally become douchy trolls.
      BOP seems to be a bit immune to this so far. I’m hoping it stays this way. I will continue to contribute as long as it does.

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      Thanks Iron and everyone who actually shared their real life experiences for insight. I couldn’t agree more that it’s the stuff we’ve experimented with and tried on our bodies that will be the best knowledge we can gain. Granted dosages or compounds might be different based off how we all respond, there is still a basic outline on what can be done. And there’s definitely limits we can push all the while being as health conscious as possible.

      One thing I’ve learned is: there’s a lot of bro science and fear mongering when it comes to AAS use. There’s all the unwarranted claims that are almost outlandish to me with no real credentials. Or you have uneducated people running gear recklessly then saying how it dangerous because they have no clue how to properly use gear and take care of their bodies. That’s like cleaning a loaded gun, shooting yourself in the face, surviving then saying guns are dangerous and will kill you. Yes no shit when you use things that need to be handled with respect negligently, then there will be costly repercussions.

      So with that being said I’d like to share the concept of extended cycles getting periodic blood work to make sure things are in tact. I’ve ran 32+ week cycles 2-3 times with no issues. Started with 2-3 compounds for a lean bulk (test, npp and/or EQ), then switched to the big 3 to cut (test, tren, mast), then changed it up again to utilize the rebound phase and gain new muscle tissue since my body is in it most responsive since state after several months of hard cutting (test, npp). All the while using orals 4-6 weeks on, then taking 6 weeks off and repeating. The key to this is taking ancillary supplements religiously (AI’s, Serm’s, caber, otc supps, etc). So I’ll take my AI 3-4x weekly when bulking, and when I’m cutting I’ll up it to help dry out more. I aromatize easily so I have to take AI more frequently then some might. However I do not get gyno or prolactin issues so aromatization is the only thing I have to watch closely. After I switch from npp to tren and have been on tren for 5-6 weeks I throw caber in just to be safe (0.5mg 2x week). And I’ll take multi vitamin, NAC, ALA, taurine, fish oils, turmeric, olive leaf extract, vitamin k2, magnesium, probiotics, etc 2-3x daily. I have gotten blood work back and only have slightly elevated liver/kidney levels (10-15 points higher) with everything else in range.

      My point is there aren’t many clinical studies, and the ones that are usually run extremely high amounts of gear which of course can be toxic or increase the chance of negative sides. If you use moderate doses, monitor your blood work, stay on a clean diet year round, train consistently and do cardio regularly to keep cardiovascular system healthy; then there really shouldn’t be too much issues with running gear for extended periods. I think the biggest key is changing compounds, being smart with dosages and taking ancillaries several times daily or daily depending on what it is.

      Just my 2 cents from experience on something I don’t feel is talked about often. And again my biggest concern is trying to be as healthy as possible. So getting blood work, donating blood, taking daily supplants and using gear in moderate doses while being on a strict healthy diet will give you the best environment to reap mainly positive effects from AAS use.

      And use I blast and cruise.. typically I’ll cruise on low dose test for 8-10 weeks, then go to a test only cycle at 500mg for another 6 weeks or so, then I’ll start adding compounds and getting back to the fun.. to this day, after running advanced cycles with hgh, insulin, clen, t3 & t4, orals, several compounds; I must say test is king for a reason. Nothing like some properly dosed test at 600-750mg. Always gets me feeling like it’s my first cycle all over again!

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      One other method I have done is that I switch to fast acting compounds towards the end of a cycle I would do this if heading into a PCT

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      Then switch to test p with say oral winny for 4 weeks along with some hcg to help kick start the balls

      reason is that last 4 weeks I found the fast compound let you harden up while you drop the water from the long esters and you can dive right into PCT when finished as the levels of hormone in your blood should be cleared of the long compounds some times I would wait an extra week but the idea is you can get into PCT without the lag time.

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      Some great content on this thread please feel free to share more ideas on what has worked for you!

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      This was a pic of my show back in 2006

      I ran the cycle for 30 weeks out from the show after being 14 months off all gear. My starting point was 90kg @ 25% bf after about 10 weeks in was 95kg @ 15% with good diet and training used 250mg sus wk with 200mg of deca all prescribed from my doctor. Added some anadrol mid way and here is my last 12 weeks into the comp

      Week 1-8
      500mg sus wk
      50mg winny ed
      40mg var ed

      last 4 weeks
      100mg winny ed
      50mg proviron ed

      result 85kg @ sub 6% bfDSC_0041.jpg

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