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VETS pass on your knowledge
Ok guys I'll give you my take on it after 25 years of using gear. No BS
As a young bloke 20 years old did not know about PCT so would just cycle 6-8 weeks on and 6 weeks off then repeat. If I was planing a show my cycle would run an extra 4 weeks as I would use injectable winny last 4 weeks for condition so it was a 12 week cycle again with 6 weeks off. during my off time I would take nothing and would only drop a little strength and fullness and yes by week 6 felt like I was running on fumes so you guessed it back on cycle. I was smart enough to know to combat E2 and would take nolva or proviron with my cycles and sometimes run it 4 weeks after cycle as needed. I did not use these all the time only when I notice that my nips got sore and run it until they felt good again. Cycled like this for 3 years.
Then I was put onto a DR and my cycles became longer 12-16 weeks then would do full PCT this is how I did it
weeks 1-12 cycle
week 13 hcg 3000iu mon-thurs
week 14 hcg 1500iu mon-thurs
then followed up with 30 days of clomid 50mg/ed
blood work was done 6 weeks later and test levels fell back into normal ranges
may take another 6-8 weeks off before doing it all again
Now in my 40's I no longer can reach full recovery even with a good PCT
so now just stay on low dose test and use HCG 5 shots x 1000iu each shot spaced eod when I feel my balls are getting to small and it fixes it right up. When I cycle I'll add what every compounds I want to at the time keep the test low at trt if going for lean gains or up the test a bit more if wanting more fullness. I'll use AI and SERMS as needed plus any other support compounds like if taking tren would add some caber.
hope you all got something out of that. More helpful info to com
So come on all you VETS use this thread to pass on your knowledge.
Last edited by ironmaster; 04-07-2018 at 03:06 PM.
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I'm missing what you want to do here. If you are on TRT why are you stopping to see if you can come back up to normal?
HCG will just make your ball sack bigger. Its not going to get your system restarted again. At your age, that might take a long time, if it happens at all. You would need to also start clomid and or nolvadex for any shot at a restart. Do some research on Triptorelin, it might have the ability to give you a fresh start but beware too much will have the opposite effect.
Your AI of choice might also have a negative effect on this. I've been preaching aromasin for years because it works best for me. Most people use armidex or letrozole but I find that they are too harsh and the rebound does not help with what you're trying to do.
I'm 50. I'm on dr prescribed TRT at 100 mg EOW. He got an attitude with me 6 months ago and told me to stop, so I did. Blood work after 90 days came back with my test below 200. Needless to say he will never pull me off again and I accept the fact that I will never be able to have natural test production again. I will blast here and there but never stop my TRT. I have no need for hcg but will on occasion run clomid for show.
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Rather than playing a hormonal rollercoaster with my body and mind, I just choose to stay on a low dose of test year round while doing a hard blast a few times a year. I feel better doing it this way and I honestly believe it's healthier. If I wanted more kids I would take a different approach and do the whole pct thing.
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I think waiting 13-14 weeks into a cycle before attempting to get your HPTA working again with HCG is a mistake. Or it just prolongs your recovery time.
Unfortunately, it appears your lack of PCT knowledge during your younger years put you in the predicament you are now in.
Add to that using only Clomid during PCT and not also Nolvadex could be another reason why your earlier PCT experiences were not the best?
Very important in the long term to have a good PCT plan in place before attempting to start any cycle. Long term health and wellness is more important than gaining a few pounds of quick muscle w/o a proper PCT plan in place.
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6 to 8 weeks on then 6 weeks off dude that would be punishment with no pct your body would just be starting to rebound at 6 week then back on, it be 6 weeks of hell I stay on a tear blast and cruise, and if your in your forties your body ain't gonna recover like it would for a twenty year old.
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I think you guys are missing the point.
The first half of the post was how I evolved with my cycles over time. Now that I am 40 I find PCT no longer gets me back to a good range so on trt 150mg/wk keeps me at the high end of normal.
Yes still like to run some hcg now and again as I do not like the idea of having raisins for nuts.
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All I have come to learn over the past 20 plus years of using gear is that everyone seems to be an expert. What I say is worth more then some guy just reading a book or what they read on the internet. You learn buy doing and doing over a long time and the person how has done that will have more insight then a know it all that has just read alot but put nothing into practice.
I must say somethings I have done over the years back fired but some of the methods I used worked and worked well.
here is an example
when I was 23 I did a show doing a 8 week cycle on winny inject t3 and a bit of clen and was good enough to place second in a real tough line up that year. now if you read what they say on the internet and you will hear Bro you needed to run some test with that Well news flash no test used and got into great shape loooking full and hard. At the time I just guessed tests keeps you bloated and as I was young I was of the opinion that as a young man my test was already high so a good dose of winny is all I needed mind you I did fun 25mg of provrion with the cycle so maybe that was enough androgen in that to make the cycle great. Also from my records I saw I used no pct just some tribulus and recoverd fine .
And yes I have record every cycle of have done over the years some 50 cycles some good some bad but the main thing is I got to learn what works for me not some generic advice and I must say I read every book about the subject and used my own brain to apply the information to my body.
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Ironmaster is right you can read and read everything you want but the best way to learn about compounds and how you react to them is through self experimentation. Everyone reacts a little different just have to learn yourself and you learn to fine tune it to your needs. Now I'm not saying doing stupid things, what you learn here and reading should only be a base to start at then fine tune for your needs. We all start somewhere the main thing is that we improve and learn from what we do and pass on our knowledge to help guide others that may be just starting out.
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Originally Posted by
stephen220
Ironmaster is right you can read and read everything you want but the best way to learn about compounds and how you react to them is through self experimentation. Everyone reacts a little different just have to learn yourself and you learn to fine tune it to your needs. Now I'm not saying doing stupid things, what you learn here and reading should only be a base to start at then fine tune for your needs. We all start somewhere the main thing is that we improve and learn from what we do and pass on our knowledge to help guide others that may be just starting out.
Thanks for the support brother well said at least you can see what I am trying to get at.
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If you are an old hat at this gear thing post your ideas here and let us all learn.
Here is another cycle I have had good results with and have done it on many occasions.
stage 1
Androgen load
week 1-3
750mg test
400mg EQ
30mg dbol
gets levels up high real quick and let E2 raise to get gains kick started
stage 2
Anabolic load
week 4-6
500mg test
600mg EQ
Arimidex 0.5mg eod
lower test drop oral up anabolic to enhance muscle gain use AI to down ramp E2 from previous load
stage 3
Anabolic hold
week 7-10
250mg test
600mg EQ
Arimidex 0.5mg mon - thurs
Low dose of test for support and lower bloat and just make the EQ the main driver now
stage 3
week 11-14
Anabolic drive/Andro clearance
50mg winny ed
50mg proviron ed
To clean up gains and prepare body for pct
PCT as needed sometime hcg maybe needed along with novla clomid but again length of pct will depend on how you feel.
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