* * MAXIMIZE NANDROLONE RESULTS??? * *

**Riggs** · 09-08-2020, 09:43 AM

I love a good thought provoking thread so I'll kick this one off.....again just my opinions....eat the meat, throw out the bones & let me know your thoughts as well.

Here's an interesting NCBI read from 2016 on Nandrolone.

Beyond testosterone cypionate: evidence behind the use of nandrolone in male health and wellness

Seems apparent that preventing the down regulation of Nandrolone to
5α-dihydro-19-nortestosterone is paramount to maximizing Nandrolone benefits.

How do we do this? Dose as low as possible in an attempt to avoid diminishing returns? A good practice with all AAS but in this case I focus on something else.

Finasteride.

Here's another interesting NCBI (which I love) article on the combo of Finasteride and supraphysiological doses of Test. In this case 125mg Test E a week with 5mg Finasteride ED. Again as an AAS user I love Finasteride.

Musculoskeletal and prostate effects of combined testosterone and finasteride administration in older hypogonadal men: a randomized, controlled trial - PubMed

BE AWARE - Finasteride inhibits the natural conversion of Nandrolone into the more "hair safe" and less androgenic metabolite DHN. So it might increase hair loss. In my case I haven't experienced increased hair loss.

This can be a lengthy discussion, especially when considering the possible effects of lower DHT levels on the ability to achieve an erection, so I'm hoping guys will jump in and offer their input. IME as long as I run Test as a base compound I've never had an issue with Finasteride causing ED while on Nandrolone.

Shit 10yrs ago tho, while on a 2yr break from AAS, Finasteride "did" fuck with my erections. I remedied it by using Citrulline, B-Alanine, and beet root juice.

What I have found to maximize Nandrolone gains and minimize undesirable sides is Test as a base, bloods to ensure the proper balance of T to E2 ratio; dose AI accordingly, Finasteride, and Caber, along with OTC's Citrulline, B-Alanine, and beet root juice.

**Mattymoo** · 09-08-2020, 10:01 AM

Good read..thanks
I agree with your magic protocol

**maxmuscle1** · 09-08-2020, 10:10 AM

Hells yeah! Got my party hat on!

!! Nanny, besides testosterone of course is my favorite!

Max

**Mr.Beefy** · 09-08-2020, 10:16 AM

Definitely a good read.

**Ironmind83** · 09-11-2020, 04:53 AM

I was just reading about this. I'm using dutasteride instead though as I've read it's more powerful. Something to add to this would be injectable L-Carnitine as it's been shown to increase the amount/sensitivity of androgen receptors. I was going to post about it actually. If I can find and link one of the studies that showed this rather definitively. I wonder if this is why a lot of people seem to prefer NPP to deca. The total amount of mg per injection is less and frequency of injection is greater thus giving more stable blood levels and possibly less total conversion to it's less anabolic metabolites.

**Riggs** · 09-11-2020, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Ironmind83

I was just reading about this. I'm using dutasteride instead though as I've read it's more powerful. Something to add to this would be injectable L-Carnitine as it's been shown to increase the amount/sensitivity of androgen receptors. I was going to post about it actually. If I can find and link one of the studies that showed this rather definitively. I wonder if this is why a lot of people seem to prefer NPP to deca. The total amount of mg per injection is less and frequency of injection is greater thus giving more stable blood levels and possibly less total conversion to it's less anabolic metabolites.

In general, lower mg more frequent injections, better mimic our bodies natural pulse and doing so can yield lower risk of a negative chain reaction among other hormones.

Been in this game for a minute and IMO Deca vs NPP comes down to what it's being stacked with and the users specific goals.

I experience different sides on Deca vs NPP. NPP I run hot, have night sweats, vivid dreams and mild insomnia like Tren. Deca I wet up and get the Chipmunk face.

The big difference is that with NPP I usually run Test P and either Mast P or DHB and Var or Sdrol for an oral.

With Deca I usually run Sus and Dbol or Abombs. In this protocol everything is geared towards adding significant strength and building as much muscle as possible. For example I allow estradiol to climb, my joints don't bother me as much during the bulk phase of heavier lifting, and typically the more bodyweight I carry the more weight I can move.

**Ironmind83** · 09-11-2020, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Riggs

In general, lower mg more frequent injections, better mimic our bodies natural pulse and doing so can yield lower risk of a negative chain reaction among other hormones.

Been in this game for a minute and IMO Deca vs NPP comes down to what it's being stacked with and the users specific goals.

I experience different sides on Deca vs NPP. NPP I run hot, have night sweats, vivid dreams and mild insomnia like Tren. Deca I wet up and get the Chipmunk face.

The big difference is that with NPP I usually run Test P and either Mast P or DHB and Var or Sdrol for an oral.

With Deca I usually run Sus and Dbol or Abombs. In this protocol everything is geared towards adding significant strength and building as much muscle as possible. For example I allow estradiol to climb, my joints don't bother me as much during the bulk phase of heavier lifting, and typically the more bodyweight I carry the more weight I can move.

That sounds about right to me. My experience with NPP is quite limited though. I have noticed when I broke my Test down to every other day for a total of 125mg per shot that the side effects were much more tolerable. I just wish I had seen posts like this sooner concerning the Deca. Would have made life lot easier lol.

**thebear** · 09-12-2020, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Riggs

In general, lower mg more frequent injections, better mimic our bodies natural pulse and doing so can yield lower risk of a negative chain reaction among other hormones.

Been in this game for a minute and IMO Deca vs NPP comes down to what it's being stacked with and the users specific goals.

I experience different sides on Deca vs NPP. NPP I run hot, have night sweats, vivid dreams and mild insomnia like Tren. Deca I wet up and get the Chipmunk face.

The big difference is that with NPP I usually run Test P and either Mast P or DHB and Var or Sdrol for an oral.

With Deca I usually run Sus and Dbol or Abombs. In this protocol everything is geared towards adding significant strength and building as much muscle as possible. For example I allow estradiol to climb, my joints don't bother me as much during the bulk phase of heavier lifting, and typically the more bodyweight I carry the more weight I can move.

I love NPP but get those same sides especially the sleep issues.

**grh725** · 09-12-2020, 05:28 PM

When I run Deca, I run My Test higher than the Deca. 2-1 ratio. That for me keeps the sides down and libido good. I expierence very little sides but I do get some puffyness from the extra water. I have never ran NPP so I can't speak on that.

**Riggs** · 09-12-2020, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by grh725

When I run Deca, I run My Test higher than the Deca. 2-1 ratio. That for me keeps the sides down and libido good. I expierence very little sides but I do get some puffyness from the extra water. I have never ran NPP so I can't speak on that.

If you take the proper ancillaries you don't have to follow the outdated 2:1 ratio. Higher Test, of course at some point, will always lead to more sides. T is a naturally occurring hormone and the body already has a way of dealing with supraphysiological levels of T.

Give the body elevated levels of Total T but IMO the smart thing to do is allow another hormone to be the workhorse and keep T to a minimum.

All steroids are based on the T molecule with minor adjustments to make significant improvements. When we blast T at crazy high doses the body is poised and ready to down regulate it. Keep it to a low dose (for me on a blast @ 400 week of Test E or 300 Test P) and blast the other hormone you want to focus on like Boldenone or Nandrolone. I rarely run more than 300mg a week of Test.

The idea that an AAS shuts down T "hard" so you have to run T "really" high is an outdated concept.

If you understand your bodies specific response to each hormone then you'll know exactly where to make adjustments.

How do you learn your specific response to each hormone? You start with one hormone, which is always T, blast it, do regular bloods, and keep one hella detailed log. I encourage running the T only blast several times until you have your specific response down. Run one at 250mg a week, the next at 500, and so on.

With a detailed log and bloods you'll know EXACTLY at what dose you start experience diminishing returns.

On the next blast you add ONE hormone to Test and repeat the above steps until you've run enough mainstream hormones to run a stack.

Each time you look to add a hormone you add it to T alone and nothing else.

It's that simple BUT because guys wanna be Bruce gawd damn Banner in 6 months they repeatedly run cycles, never taking enough notes or detailed enough logs, they start with Test/Deca/Dbol, and run ($90) bloods once a year. This goes on for 10 - 20yrs before they think they "just don't have the genetics" or some other excuse and they go to trt doses defeated with organs that are mangled.

Just my 2¢