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PAiN
12-24-2010, 12:19 AM
SHOULDER INJURIES (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)

As a trade-off for mobility, the shoulder lacks some of the stability found in other joints.The shoulder is under considerable stress during many commonly performed weight training exercises and, as a result, is frequently injured. Shoulder pain is often taken for granted or ignored by many bodybuilders (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com). For example, anterior shoulder pain felt secondary to performing bench presses (ie, achieving a "burn") is frequently assumed to be a sore anterior deltoid muscle from a hard workout. It may, in fact, represent a sign of rotator cuff strain or impingement.

Impingement syndrome and anterior instability are the most common types of shoulder conditions associated with weight training. It is important to recognize that these conditions often coexist. Rotator cuff strain/tendinitis/tear, proximal biceps tendinitis, and subacromial bursitis frequently result from subacromial impingement. However, primary tendinitis resulting from overload may also occur. Less common types of shoulder injuries include brachial plexus neuropathy, suprascapular nerve impingement, posterior glenohumeral instability (due to heavy bench presses), acromio-clavicular joint sprains (AC), proximal biceps tendon tears, pectoralis major strains or tears, and osteolysis of the distal clavicle.



Impingement syndrome (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)

Impingement syndrome refers to impingement of the rotator cuff tendons, especially the supraspinatus tendon, under the subacromial arch. The biceps tendon or the subacromial bursa may also be impinged under the subacromial arch. The position that appears to be most damaging is abduction with internal rotation. It is not clear whether rotator cuff muscle/ tendon overload precedes impingement or is caused by it.

A major factor in shoulder impingement injuries in weight lifters is the muscle imbalance syndrome mentioned earlier, highlighted by overly tight shoulder internal rotators and weak shoulder external rotators. A substantial portion of the typical training program is dedicated to training the pectorals and the lats. Both tend to produce internal rotation of the shoulders. The external shoulder rotators (the infraspinatus and the teres minor) are often neglected.

There is considerable stress imposed on the rotator cuff muscles during the performance of many exercises, such as the bench press. Too many sets of exercises for the same body part with excessive weight can result in fatigue and overload injury to the rotator cuff. Therefore, weight lifters should be encouraged to perform fewer sets and no more than 12 sets per body part, including warm-ups.

A common exercise is the lateral raise with the shoulder in internal rotation. The lifter is often instructed to point the thumb down as though pouring water from a pitcher in an effort to better isolate the side deltoid. It may be true, but there is a risk of accelerating or aggravating an impingement syndrome. The clinician should suggest that lateral raises be performed face down on an incline bench positioned at about 75 degrees up from the ground. This position will isolate the side delts without creating impingement.

Another common mistake is raising the arms above 90 degrees while performing side raises. Unless the thumb is pointing up, this position may increase the risk of impinging the rotator cuff tendons under the subacromial arch. Shoulder protraction is associated with narrowing of the subacromial space. Allowing the shoulders to become protracted forward beyond the neutral position during the performance of exercises (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) such as bench presses may increase the strain to this area.



Anterior instability of the glenohumeral joint:
(http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)
Instability may be due to a single-event trauma where the capsule and glenoid labrum are torn or may be atraumatic representing a tendency toward a loose joint capsule. When either inherently loose or torn loose, the capsule may be unable to support the shoulder in the extremes of abduction and external rotation. Therefore, exercises that place the shoulder in this position should be modified or avoided such as the behind-the-neck press, the behind-the-neck pulldown, and the pec deck. It may also occur from repeatedly hyperextending the shoulder during the performance of bench presses, flyes, and the pec deck by lowering the bar or dumbbells to the point where the elbows are behind the back. Weight lifters not only place their shoulders in an abducted/externally rotated or hyperextended position, but also do it with considerable weight held in their hands. The general principle to use in advising patients is to avoid positions in which the elbows extend behind the coronal plane of the body. It is important to remind the patient that overhead positions are less stable and therefore more risky. While instability is often caused by gradual repetitive capsular stretching injury, Olympic lifters tend to suffer instability resulting from a single-event traumatic injury. They often lose control of a weight while holding the weight (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) in an overhead position.




It should be noted that the diagnosis of anterior instability may be overlooked due to a misleading response to testing. Patients often experience pain in the posterior shoulder when the arm is placed in an abducted/externally rotated position. It is thought that this posterior pain arises from traction or compression of the posterior structures as the shoulder subluxates forward. Also, anterior instability may be misdiagnosed as a rotator cuff strain.

The load and shift test is a form of instability testing that involves passively translating the humeral head while stabilizing the glenoid. This test may be performed with the patient in various positions, including seated with arm by the side, seated with the arm in the abducted and externally rotated position, and supine with the arm abducted and externally rotated. Excessive forward excursion of the humerus associated with either pain, apprehension, or clicking may all be considered positive signs. The relocation test should reduce the positive findings. This test involves restabilizing the humerus by pushing the head of the humerus from anterior to posterior while placing the arm in the "apprehension" position of abduction/external rotation. The relocation test is performed with the patient supine. Care should be taken to support the arm to avoid protective muscle spasm.(53)

Impingement may occur secondary to shoulder instability.(60) The response to testing includes pain felt with the apprehension test that is relieved by the relocation test. Apprehension is usually not the primary response to testing. In such cases, the underlying instability and the subsequent impingement should both be addressed.




Less common shoulder injuries related to weight training:

There have been a number of reports in the literature of suprascapular nerve injury either via stretch or compression. Abduction of the arm against resistance has been implicated as the mechanism of injury.The lateral raise and the shoulder press are two exercises that involve abduction against resistance.



A number of reports document the occurrence of tears of the pectoralis major muscle or tendon, usually from bench pressing. The tendon may either avulse from the bone, tear at the musculotendinous junction, or tear in the muscle itself, usually near the musculotendinous junction. Most of these injuries occur while the arms are extended behind the chest.(20) To prevent such injuries the lifter should avoid lowering the bar to the point at which the shoulder is hyperextended.Regular stretching may be helpful.



An entity known as atraumatic osteolysis of the distal clavicle has been reported in a number of studies as being related to weight training. This condition, referred to as weight lifter's shoulder, is marked by pain at the acromioclavicular joint while performing the dip, bench press, clean-and-jerk, and overhead presses. Radiographs show osteoporosis and loss of subchondral bony detail at the distal clavicle. In addition, cystic changes may also be present.Atraumatic osteolysis is believed to result from repetitive loading of the acromioclavicular joint resulting in neurovascular compromise to the distal clavicle. Management is difficult given that most patients are serious lifters. Either a dramatic reduction in weight, elimination of the offending maneuver, or substitution of exercises may be suggested. Alternatives to the bench press include a narrow grip bench, cable crossovers, and the incline or decline press. If unsuccessful, elimination of heavy lifting for 6 months is recommended. There is some evidence that those treated surgically with amputation of the distal I to 2 cm of the clavicle are able to return to some lifting. However, many athletes are not able to return to a pre-injury level of lifting.






Recommendations for Preventing Shoulder Injuries While Weight Training (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)

1. Do not ignore shoulder pain. Training through the pain will only lead to further and more severe injury.

2. Avoid exercises (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) where the arm is abducted (raised to the side) in an internally rotated position, such as upright rows and thumbs-pointed-down laterals. Also, do not raise the arms above 90' while performing lateral raises.

3. Strengthen (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) the external rotator muscles (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) of the shoulder and keep them strong. This process involves regularly performing rotator cuff strengthening exercises-not just when you have an injury. The strength of the rotator cuff muscles (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)should keep pace with the strength of the pectoral and deltoid muscles.

4. Keep the internal shoulder rotators flexible to avoid shortening. Be careful to avoid instability. Forceful stretching and stretching with weights should be avoided.

5. Avoid exercises where the rotator cuff is under extreme load.

6. Warm up the shoulders carefully before exercising them.

7. Strengthen (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) the middle and lower traps and rhomboids to increase shoulder stability and ensure better scapular stabilization. Avoid protracted shoulder postural problems.

8. Avoid the pullover exercise (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) or use with extreme caution. Care should be taken not to extend the arms back too far.

h4x
12-24-2010, 12:22 AM
Very good post bro, a lot of good info here!

STONE 69
12-24-2010, 01:44 AM
As a trade-off for mobility, the shoulder lacks some of the stability found in other joints.The shoulder is under considerable stress during many commonly performed weight training exercises and, as a result, is frequently injured. Shoulder pain is often taken for granted or ignored by many bodybuilders. For example, anterior shoulder pain felt secondary to performing bench presses (ie, achieving a "burn") is frequently assumed to be a sore anterior deltoid muscle from a hard workout. It may, in fact, represent a sign of rotator cuff strain or impingement.
thats exactly what i just did to mine still messed up

great read bro.thanks for the info

MegaKnight2
12-24-2010, 05:14 AM
WOW Great post bro. I actually just hurt my shoulder and found out it is tendonitis of 2 tendons, one connection the bicep and the other is the shoulder rotator (I think).

Thanks for the advice on how to hopefully avoid these type of injuries in the future.

unclem
12-26-2010, 12:42 AM
once u get a shoulder injury thats bad its for life so warm up.

mdr
12-27-2010, 01:50 AM
I can vouch for the fact that it is for life.

Flathead
12-27-2010, 02:26 PM
Really good read!

MegaKnight2
12-28-2010, 05:01 AM
Thanks UncleM.

Question for u guys with shoulder injuries...would u run NPP(or deca or EQ) to help strengthen the tendons? If so, which one would u choose and would u rush ur next cycle to help speed up your injury recovery?

I just ended my cycle early however it was a 22 week cycle i finished and supposed to be 28... this was given to me by a much experienced and well respected pro on this forum. I'm wondering what u guys think.

PAiN
01-20-2011, 11:00 PM
Thanks UncleM.

Question for u guys with shoulder injuries...would u run NPP(or deca or EQ) to help strengthen the tendons? If so, which one would u choose and would u rush ur next cycle to help speed up your injury recovery?

I just ended my cycle early however it was a 22 week cycle i finished and supposed to be 28... this was given to me by a much experienced and well respected pro on this forum. I'm wondering what u guys think.


I wouldn't rush any cycle to help with recovery bro. You could end up hurting yourself even worse than you are now. It would be better to just take the time to recover and heal. Better safe than sorry.

mdr
01-21-2011, 12:38 AM
I wouldn't rush any cycle to help with recovery bro. You could end up hurting yourself even worse than you are now. It would be better to just take the time to recover and heal. Better safe than sorry.

Exactly.

BIGBOSS
01-12-2012, 05:55 PM
Good info thanks for posting

slimncut
01-22-2012, 11:38 PM
Great info Pain, points one and seven apply to my injury four months back.

1. Do not ignore shoulder pain. Training through the pain will only lead to further and more severe injury.
7. Strengthen the middle and lower traps and rhomboids to increase shoulder stability and ensure better scapular stabilization. Avoid protracted shoulder postural problems.

I had an injured point of insertion located at the middle center of my delt. The DR. said it was a point where my trapezius inserted.
Decline bench and Dips irritated it the most, I pused through until the bursae next to the point of insertion was always inflammed.
I was overtraining and got screwed, I ended up runnning a 6 week cycle of test/tren and 800mg motrin daily. Trained only movements that did'nt use the traps or right delt much.
Not sure if this was the best move but it worked for me.
Took 6 weeks to heal properly!

Jpotch
04-04-2012, 07:50 PM
hey bros. im new here and saw this thread. i did a small write up on shoulder injuries a while back on a different board. i'll cut and paste it here too....

Shoulder injuries are quite common among athletes. Weight training subjects the rotator cuff, labrum, and the joint itself to many different forces not usually seen in the daily life of the common individual. Injuries can occur in different ways. Some happen throughout time and others can happen acutely.
To better understand injuries I’ll discuss the anatomy of the shoulder first. In my opinion the shoulder is the most structurally complex joint in the body. Basically, the head of the humerus articulates with the glenoid (ball and socket). The glenoid is the socket that extends off of your scapula. The distal end of the clavicle also is part of the shoulder (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) joint (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com). What actually makes the shoulder complex is how it’s all held together.
Around the glenoid is your labrum. The labrum is a ring of cartilage that’s responsible for keeping your shoulder stable throughout range of motion. Since the glenoid is not a deep socket, the labrum circles around it making it deeper.
Injuries (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) to the labrum are almost always treatable through therapy or arthroscopy. Typically you see three specific tears within the labrum and each has its own symptoms associated with the injury.
1) SLAP tear: a tear from the Superior Labrum that travels from Anterior to Posterior. In the weight room it can most commonly happen when there is an overhead pulling motion involved. Using too much weight or poor form can easily be the culprit. Symptoms include: a popping feeling when making a throwing motion, a catching sensation, and deep shoulder (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) aches.
2) Bankart Lesion: occurs when the joint is stressed enough to sublux or dislocate. When the shoulder begins to come out of the joint the labrum typically tears. This will lead to an unstable shoulder. Weight trainers will notice this typically during two exercises, dumbbell chest press and dumbbell shoulder press. (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)When the press is completed, people often bring the weights together until they touch at the peak of the press. Typically those with a bankart lesion will feel a slight slipping sensation of the humeral head.
3) Posterior Labral tear: also called internal impingement, this tear occurs when the rotator cuff becomes pinched within the labrum. It is the least common labral injury but when it’s seen it is almost always in an athlete. It is characterized as being very painful with each occurrence.
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Jpotch
04-04-2012, 07:51 PM
We commonly hear of weight trainers injuring their rotator cuff. A cuff tear is probably the most common injury to the shoulder obtained through lifting weights. The rotator cuff is what actually keeps your shoulder in place. It is also responsible for lifting and rotating your arm. The cuff is made up of four muscles(suprasinatus, infraspinatus, teres minor, subscapularis); each of them can be torn individually. When the cuff it torn it is typically torn where the cuff tendon attaches to the head of the humerus.
The most common for a weight lifter is a tear in the supraspinatus. The injury typically begins with the tendon starting to fray. This begins to weaken the area. Once it has been weakened, typically heavy weights will complete the tear.
The supraspinatus can either experience a partial thickness tear, where soft tissue becomes damaged but it is not completely severed, or a full thickness tear. In a full thickness tear the soft tissue is split in two pieces. When a full thickness tear occurs it renders the muscle useless. Often times the other muscles of the rotator cuff can make up for the torn one. The deltoid can also begin to be used for some additional motion. This is great for those who only tear one muscle but the load of the specific arm is now being accounted for by two or three muscles opposed to four.
Symptoms of a cuff tear are typically: pain while resting, pain lifting your arm straight from the side, or straight up, and substantial weakness in certain range of motion exercises.
A full thickness tear will not get better with time. The muscle retracts and has to be brought back to the footprint (anatomical attachment) with a suture anchor. It cannot do this on its own.
Partial thickness tears in younger healthy individuals can often repair themselves with scar tissue formation. This does not happen without resting the joint for 8-12 weeks. If the joint is continually stressed, a full thickness tear is inevitable.

megaman11
10-19-2012, 05:54 PM
Good info bro. I have had to many buddies hurt their shoulders

PAiN
10-20-2012, 04:20 AM
Thanks bro.

Vod321
10-20-2012, 05:48 PM
Great stuff!

MaxSteel
07-30-2015, 10:56 AM
Im just coming across my 1st shoulder injury/soreness..All this info is great..thanks..

FutureIFBBProJARow23
04-16-2017, 11:19 PM
SHOULDER INJURIES (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)

As a trade-off for mobility, the shoulder lacks some of the stability found in other joints.The shoulder is under considerable stress during many commonly performed weight training exercises and, as a result, is frequently injured. Shoulder pain is often taken for granted or ignored by many bodybuilders (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com). For example, anterior shoulder pain felt secondary to performing bench presses (ie, achieving a "burn") is frequently assumed to be a sore anterior deltoid muscle from a hard workout. It may, in fact, represent a sign of rotator cuff strain or impingement.

Impingement syndrome and anterior instability are the most common types of shoulder conditions associated with weight training. It is important to recognize that these conditions often coexist. Rotator cuff strain/tendinitis/tear, proximal biceps tendinitis, and subacromial bursitis frequently result from subacromial impingement. However, primary tendinitis resulting from overload may also occur. Less common types of shoulder injuries include brachial plexus neuropathy, suprascapular nerve impingement, posterior glenohumeral instability (due to heavy bench presses), acromio-clavicular joint sprains (AC), proximal biceps tendon tears, pectoralis major strains or tears, and osteolysis of the distal clavicle.



Impingement syndrome (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)

Impingement syndrome refers to impingement of the rotator cuff tendons, especially the supraspinatus tendon, under the subacromial arch. The biceps tendon or the subacromial bursa may also be impinged under the subacromial arch. The position that appears to be most damaging is abduction with internal rotation. It is not clear whether rotator cuff muscle/ tendon overload precedes impingement or is caused by it.

A major factor in shoulder impingement injuries in weight lifters is the muscle imbalance syndrome mentioned earlier, highlighted by overly tight shoulder internal rotators and weak shoulder external rotators. A substantial portion of the typical training program is dedicated to training the pectorals and the lats. Both tend to produce internal rotation of the shoulders. The external shoulder rotators (the infraspinatus and the teres minor) are often neglected.

There is considerable stress imposed on the rotator cuff muscles during the performance of many exercises, such as the bench press. Too many sets of exercises for the same body part with excessive weight can result in fatigue and overload injury to the rotator cuff. Therefore, weight lifters should be encouraged to perform fewer sets and no more than 12 sets per body part, including warm-ups.

A common exercise is the lateral raise with the shoulder in internal rotation. The lifter is often instructed to point the thumb down as though pouring water from a pitcher in an effort to better isolate the side deltoid. It may be true, but there is a risk of accelerating or aggravating an impingement syndrome. The clinician should suggest that lateral raises be performed face down on an incline bench positioned at about 75 degrees up from the ground. This position will isolate the side delts without creating impingement.

Another common mistake is raising the arms above 90 degrees while performing side raises. Unless the thumb is pointing up, this position may increase the risk of impinging the rotator cuff tendons under the subacromial arch. Shoulder protraction is associated with narrowing of the subacromial space. Allowing the shoulders to become protracted forward beyond the neutral position during the performance of exercises (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) such as bench presses may increase the strain to this area.



Anterior instability of the glenohumeral joint:
(http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)
Instability may be due to a single-event trauma where the capsule and glenoid labrum are torn or may be atraumatic representing a tendency toward a loose joint capsule. When either inherently loose or torn loose, the capsule may be unable to support the shoulder in the extremes of abduction and external rotation. Therefore, exercises that place the shoulder in this position should be modified or avoided such as the behind-the-neck press, the behind-the-neck pulldown, and the pec deck. It may also occur from repeatedly hyperextending the shoulder during the performance of bench presses, flyes, and the pec deck by lowering the bar or dumbbells to the point where the elbows are behind the back. Weight lifters not only place their shoulders in an abducted/externally rotated or hyperextended position, but also do it with considerable weight held in their hands. The general principle to use in advising patients is to avoid positions in which the elbows extend behind the coronal plane of the body. It is important to remind the patient that overhead positions are less stable and therefore more risky. While instability is often caused by gradual repetitive capsular stretching injury, Olympic lifters tend to suffer instability resulting from a single-event traumatic injury. They often lose control of a weight while holding the weight (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) in an overhead position.




It should be noted that the diagnosis of anterior instability may be overlooked due to a misleading response to testing. Patients often experience pain in the posterior shoulder when the arm is placed in an abducted/externally rotated position. It is thought that this posterior pain arises from traction or compression of the posterior structures as the shoulder subluxates forward. Also, anterior instability may be misdiagnosed as a rotator cuff strain.

The load and shift test is a form of instability testing that involves passively translating the humeral head while stabilizing the glenoid. This test may be performed with the patient in various positions, including seated with arm by the side, seated with the arm in the abducted and externally rotated position, and supine with the arm abducted and externally rotated. Excessive forward excursion of the humerus associated with either pain, apprehension, or clicking may all be considered positive signs. The relocation test should reduce the positive findings. This test involves restabilizing the humerus by pushing the head of the humerus from anterior to posterior while placing the arm in the "apprehension" position of abduction/external rotation. The relocation test is performed with the patient supine. Care should be taken to support the arm to avoid protective muscle spasm.(53)

Impingement may occur secondary to shoulder instability.(60) The response to testing includes pain felt with the apprehension test that is relieved by the relocation test. Apprehension is usually not the primary response to testing. In such cases, the underlying instability and the subsequent impingement should both be addressed.




Less common shoulder injuries related to weight training:

There have been a number of reports in the literature of suprascapular nerve injury either via stretch or compression. Abduction of the arm against resistance has been implicated as the mechanism of injury.The lateral raise and the shoulder press are two exercises that involve abduction against resistance.



A number of reports document the occurrence of tears of the pectoralis major muscle or tendon, usually from bench pressing. The tendon may either avulse from the bone, tear at the musculotendinous junction, or tear in the muscle itself, usually near the musculotendinous junction. Most of these injuries occur while the arms are extended behind the chest.(20) To prevent such injuries the lifter should avoid lowering the bar to the point at which the shoulder is hyperextended.Regular stretching may be helpful.



An entity known as atraumatic osteolysis of the distal clavicle has been reported in a number of studies as being related to weight training. This condition, referred to as weight lifter's shoulder, is marked by pain at the acromioclavicular joint while performing the dip, bench press, clean-and-jerk, and overhead presses. Radiographs show osteoporosis and loss of subchondral bony detail at the distal clavicle. In addition, cystic changes may also be present.Atraumatic osteolysis is believed to result from repetitive loading of the acromioclavicular joint resulting in neurovascular compromise to the distal clavicle. Management is difficult given that most patients are serious lifters. Either a dramatic reduction in weight, elimination of the offending maneuver, or substitution of exercises may be suggested. Alternatives to the bench press include a narrow grip bench, cable crossovers, and the incline or decline press. If unsuccessful, elimination of heavy lifting for 6 months is recommended. There is some evidence that those treated surgically with amputation of the distal I to 2 cm of the clavicle are able to return to some lifting. However, many athletes are not able to return to a pre-injury level of lifting.






Recommendations for Preventing Shoulder Injuries While Weight Training (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)

1. Do not ignore shoulder pain. Training through the pain will only lead to further and more severe injury.

2. Avoid exercises (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) where the arm is abducted (raised to the side) in an internally rotated position, such as upright rows and thumbs-pointed-down laterals. Also, do not raise the arms above 90' while performing lateral raises.

3. Strengthen (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) the external rotator muscles (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) of the shoulder and keep them strong. This process involves regularly performing rotator cuff strengthening exercises-not just when you have an injury. The strength of the rotator cuff muscles (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com)should keep pace with the strength of the pectoral and deltoid muscles.

4. Keep the internal shoulder rotators flexible to avoid shortening. Be careful to avoid instability. Forceful stretching and stretching with weights should be avoided.

5. Avoid exercises where the rotator cuff is under extreme load.

6. Warm up the shoulders carefully before exercising them.

7. Strengthen (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) the middle and lower traps and rhomboids to increase shoulder stability and ensure better scapular stabilization. Avoid protracted shoulder postural problems.

8. Avoid the pullover exercise (http://Brotherhoodofpain.com) or use with extreme caution. Care should be taken not to extend the arms back too far. thanks for the info great to know!

T-Cruz
07-18-2018, 11:45 AM
Old post with good information. Unfortunately, I am not strong on Anatomy terminology, however, I believe I have a Rotator Cuff Impingement as I can still lift in Lateral raises with just some pain, Incline Dumbell Flys are out. Incline Dumbell presses are ok as are 50% max weight bench press 3 weeks from injury. Maybe I should take a closer look at those rotator cuff exercises. Interesting read.

Brawn
07-19-2018, 08:24 PM
I had rotator cuff surgery in 2015. It was the best decision I have made. I had a great surgeon and therapist. Its good as new. I no longer do any behind the neck exercises, upright rows, or dips now.

Uttukuxul
08-28-2018, 10:41 PM
My shoulder injury is a bitch and a half - the ligament that goes from shoulderblade to collarbone is snapped. Benchimg of any kind is a special place in hell for me.

msclmama
10-10-2018, 03:17 PM
I know it sounds simple but as an Athletic Therapist I do Graston often, and also use the Tim Tam which is pretty heavy duty but can really help deep tissue tightness in the shoulder girdle. The “iron cross” is usually what hinders most!! Look into these tools or have someone use them on you :)

Wheysted982
01-07-2019, 01:25 PM
thanks for the great post, i had a otator cuff partial tear rested and did physiotherapy, still feeling some pain in my front delts to biceps any good rhamboid, middle and lowr traps exercises out there? what kind of warm ups shoul i do before training shoulder or chest ? thanks for the great post !

Wheysted982
01-11-2019, 04:28 AM
Those three are a bitch the fourth is bench press If not done properly (shoulder blades not tight )

Juniorbigs
10-21-2020, 03:15 AM
Npp or deca does help during cycle, but it's like putting a band aid on a much serious issue

grh725
10-22-2020, 08:43 PM
I know know how you feel. I have had two shoulder surgery's. It will kill your bench press. I can't go heavy on bench anymore. I just rep out now and do high rep sets for bench. Deca does help

SRM369
10-24-2023, 05:38 PM
Great info - definitely wish I had read this before. Currently dealing with one bitch of a supraspinatus strain which won't go away.