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ziplocc
07-25-2013, 09:07 PM
I'm going to have some leftover adex from my cycle and was wondering if I should take it during pct along with my pct regimen of clomid, etc. Coming off a test e cycle. thanks guys.

www.37
07-25-2013, 09:43 PM
No. If you had aromasin I would say yes but I think you should stick with Clomid and Molva only unless you have some aromasin then you could add that. Take the adex right up until you take nolva though.

jdb3
07-25-2013, 09:50 PM
No need for any AI in pct

ziplocc
07-25-2013, 09:53 PM
Thanks. All I have is clomid, daa, and some all in one post cycle stuff which was a waste of money. Kinda too late to get anything else. Time and resource wise.

Joker
07-25-2013, 10:01 PM
No need for any AI in pct

Buddy of mine did some investigating on the effects of using arom. During pct. He did a couple of write ups on eroids and elsewhere. . (Maybe I/J (RIP) )
anyways. He's a member here and I can have him talk about it. Rather interesting. .. a lot of guys are running it during their pct.. recovery ratio has improved.

ziplocc
07-25-2013, 10:04 PM
Buddy of mine did some investigating on the effects of using arom. During pct. He did a couple of write ups on eroids and elsewhere. . (Maybe I/J (RIP) )
anyways. He's a member here and I can have him talk about it. Rather interesting. .. a lot of guys are running it during their pct.. recovery ratio has improved.

using aromasin or you mean an AI in general?

www.37
07-25-2013, 10:13 PM
using aromasin or you mean an AI in general?

Aromasin

GS9902
07-25-2013, 10:18 PM
Arimedex is a type II AI. Which means its effectiveness is dependent on the dosage being taken and the frequency of the administration. Essentially what it does is it binds itself to the Aromatase enzyme and when u stop taking it the drug releases the Enzyme and the enzyme in turn attaches itself to the estrogen receptor. Which cause a rise in estrogen. If this happens at the time of pct you out yourself in danger if an estrogen rebound. How many stories have you heard of PCT gyno? Normally(almost always) when u ask the user what exactly his AI protocol was they mention Adex or Letro(another type II) and they noticed signs of gyno when the drug was discontinued. The whole process is called E2 rebound.
Using Aromasin which is a Type1 AI which uses a process called hydroxylation which forms a permanent bond between the AI and the Aromatase enzyme. That means that individual enzyme is dead forever. No E2 rebound possible with Aromasin.

www.37
07-25-2013, 10:32 PM
Yeah what this guy said.

R92
07-25-2013, 10:40 PM
Arimedex is a type II AI. Which means its effectiveness is dependent on the dosage being taken and the frequency of the administration. Essentially what it does is it binds itself to the Aromatase enzyme and when u stop taking it the drug releases the Enzyme and the enzyme in turn attaches itself to the estrogen receptor. Which cause a rise in estrogen. If this happens at the time of pct you out yourself in danger if an estrogen rebound. How many stories have you heard of PCT gyno? Normally(almost always) when u ask the user what exactly his AI protocol was they mention Adex or Letro(another type II) and they noticed signs of gyno when the drug was discontinued. The whole process is called E2 rebound.
Using Aromasin which is a Type1 AI which uses a process called hydroxylation which forms a permanent bond between the AI and the Aromatase enzyme. That means that individual enzyme is dead forever. No E2 rebound possible with Aromasin.

Then why take dex when aromasin sounds so much safer

www.37
07-25-2013, 10:45 PM
Then why take dex when aromasin sounds so much safer
I switched. Aromasin for me from now on. Little letro on standby. I will also run adex and then switch at the end of cycle but only if I get a bunch of free adex.

ziplocc
07-25-2013, 10:52 PM
So basically what you're saying is adex is a waste since the estrogen rebounds afterwards anyway? Cool. Wish I would have known that. All research I did prior to running my cycle pointed at arimidex as the best AI

Joker
07-25-2013, 10:58 PM
using aromasin or you mean an AI in general?

Using aromasin..

Joker
07-25-2013, 11:00 PM
So basically what you're saying is adex is a waste since the estrogen rebounds afterwards anyway? Cool. Wish I would have known that. All research I did prior to running my cycle pointed at arimidex as the best AI

Hold on a second. No one said that. During pct ... yes ... Don't use adex... during cycle you can and should use adex.... We're talking apples and oranges here ...

GS9902
07-25-2013, 11:04 PM
Then why take dex when aromasin sounds so much safer
Some people report that Aromasin is too harsh on them as far as sides go. Some also don't like the fact that it is technically a steroid. Also some folks are non responders and require adex just for the simple chemistry their body has and they react much better to adex. Some sides of Aromasin is acne achy joints headaches. Basically folks shutdown their E2 too much.
I personally just tried using an eod 12.5mg Aromasin protocol. My E2 shot up to 91. This week I bumped my dose to 25mg daily since last Saturday. Come this Sunday ill drop it down to 12.5mg and continue a daily protocol. I was experimenting with it since it does permanently bond with the Aromatase enzyme I thought I could get away with eod. The half life is said to be 27hrs so I've always run it daily. I think I was right by doing a daily protocol. Sometimes you have to experiment with dosages and protocols until u figure it out for sure.

Joker
07-25-2013, 11:11 PM
Well said ese'

GS9902
07-25-2013, 11:12 PM
So basically what you're saying is adex is a waste since the estrogen rebounds afterwards anyway? Cool. Wish I would have known that. All research I did prior to running my cycle pointed at arimidex as the best AI
Absolutely not what I said. I re read what I wrote and nowhere in there did I find that:/
if you read what I wrote based on pct Aromasin is the AI if choice. I also stated that Type 2 Ai's are dose dependent. Meaning if you respond well to .25mg eod then that's what you should run up until you are ready for pct. then if switch to Aromasin. Or if you respond well to .5mg e3d then that's what u need to run until pct then switch to Aromasin.
Or for that matter u can use nothing and go straight to pct. you may or may not get tits but really its your choice not mine. Ain't nobody forcing shit on anybody. Ur body ur rules. Some guys even get away with zero AI during cycle and pct. they're freaks of nature but I know guys like that. Get to know ur body. Experiment a little bit without putting ur tits and dick in jeopardy. It's how u learn your body and what drugs work for you. It's not which AI is best. It's about which is best for u. And I mean during cycle. For PCT I'm convinced Aromasin is the only AI safe to use.

GS9902
07-25-2013, 11:13 PM
Órale!! Tu sabes compa. Aquí estoy no más me hechas un grito!

www.37
07-25-2013, 11:17 PM
man the junior member sounds like he know what he is talking about. lol Who am I kidding he is like E.F. Huttonwhen he speaks I always listen.

ziplocc
07-25-2013, 11:53 PM
Absolutely not what I said. I re read what I wrote and nowhere in there did I find that:/
if you read what I wrote based on pct Aromasin is the AI if choice. I also stated that Type 2 Ai's are dose dependent. Meaning if you respond well to .25mg eod then that's what you should run up until you are ready for pct. then if switch to Aromasin. Or if you respond well to .5mg e3d then that's what u need to run until pct then switch to Aromasin.
Or for that matter u can use nothing and go straight to pct. you may or may not get tits but really its your choice not mine. Ain't nobody forcing shit on anybody. Ur body ur rules. Some guys even get away with zero AI during cycle and pct. they're freaks of nature but I know guys like that. Get to know ur body. Experiment a little bit without putting ur tits and dick in jeopardy. It's how u learn your body and what drugs work for you. It's not which AI is best. It's about which is best for u. And I mean during cycle. For PCT I'm convinced Aromasin is the only AI safe to use.

Ooooh my bad I misread your post. This was my first cycle as I'm sure you can tell. So its been a huge learning curve for me. Been learning as I go. Sorry for the confusion thanks for clearing that up.

www.37
07-25-2013, 11:58 PM
Ooooh my bad I misread your post. This was my first cycle as I'm sure you can tell. So its been a huge learning curve for me. Been learning as I go. Sorry for the confusion thanks for clearing that up.
You cant go wrong with advice from GS or JOKER.

jdb3
07-25-2013, 11:58 PM
Am I allowed too take cialis, oral winny, and remmy dex while having sexual relations during my pct in 10 years? Thanks

Joker
07-26-2013, 12:04 AM
Am I allowed too take cialis, oral winny, and remmy dex while having sexual relations during my pct in 10 years? Thanks

Smart ass lmfao =))

www.37
07-26-2013, 12:04 AM
Am I allowed too take cialis, oral winny, and remmy dex while having sexual relations during my pct in 10 years? Thanks
Not with out throwing in some provi and caber.

GS9902
07-26-2013, 12:11 AM
Am I allowed too take cialis, oral winny, and remmy dex while having sexual relations during my pct in 10 years? Thanks
Only if she's 65 and single. Oh and Irish said he had to film it or it never happened.

ziplocc
07-26-2013, 12:14 AM
Lol smart ass.

jdb3
07-26-2013, 12:56 AM
DEAL!

GS9902
07-26-2013, 01:01 AM
Lmfao!!! Ayyyyyyyeee!!!!!

sofargone561
07-26-2013, 01:11 AM
i run dex during cycle if need be (not all cycles i need an ai) and aromasin and clomid during pct i would not run dex during pct for estro rebound