Next cycle. Cycle lengths

[cb1]

First off my stats. I am in my early 40s. I did my first cycle in my early 20s. I took off about 8yrs when I first got married and had little kids. Been back at it about 4yrs solid. I am 6ft3 weigh 295 right now. Started a cruise about 3wks ago lost a few pounds. I compete some in powerlifting. Strength is my main goal but I am slowly going towards BB or powerbuilding. One year ago I was fairly blown up and competed at 345bodyweight so I have leaned out alot in the last year. At 295 you can clearly see my top two abs on both sides and the sides of the bottom set. Still got a little flab in middle at the bottom. Im guessing 13-15%.
After I cruise and clean out I want to possibly do shorter cycles. I have stayed on way too long. I honestly feel like I make gains the first 6wks big time. By the 8-9th wk I get almost nothing. I feel like Im wasting it at that point. I always run test 800-1200 with deca or eq around 600. Or low dose tren a. Start with anadrol or dball. Normal stuff. I think I would be better off cycle 6-8wks cruise 5-8wks and start over. It seems like a reach a point and just cant get past it.
I want to run 1 19nor one test and one DHT base compound. I think Test, tren e, Mast E. Might try some Tboll to start. Dont want to run EQ because I want to stop at 8wks. Any thoughts?

[MuscleAddiction]

Test P/Tren Ace/Mast P...short esters for 8 week blasts. Or since you are already on a cruise dose of Test bump that up and run the Tren Ace and Mast P...pin EOD those and Test E 2x EW.

[cb1]

Test P/Tren Ace/Mast P...short esters for 8 week blasts. Or since you are already on a cruise dose of Test bump that up and run the Tren Ace and Mast P...pin EOD those and Test E 2x EW.

Test P is my favorite test for sure. Do you do 8wk blasts? How long do you cruise between? I honestly feel I have used so much gear with no gains. Just a waste.

[sensitivenips]

Test P/Tren Ace/Mast P...short esters for 8 week blasts. Or since you are already on a cruise dose of Test bump that up and run the Tren Ace and Mast P...pin EOD those and Test E 2x EW.

my thoughts exactly. short esters = shorter cycles, long esters = longer cycles.

[MuscleAddiction]

I did an 8 week short ester blast of what I recommended above with 100mg of Anavar ED and had great results. Ran 400mg Test Prop/Ace (TPA), 600mg Tren Ace, and 600mg Mast Prop...loved it! I am on week 5 of my cruise (TRT) and itching to blast again.

[Gopro]

Test Prop, NPP, and D-bol.

[flyingfox272]

I'm 45 took a bunch of years off also to have my boys and been back training since last fall. I also notice a drop off in effectiveness of the drugs after a short while. Most of the problem for me is diet, we have to remember to raise our caloric intake on the blast. On my last blast I was actually getting leaner and dropping weight, I just was not eating enough for that amount of gear and training.
That said I think short blasts and then a short cruise is where it's at for me, I just started NPP, masteron, Dbol, and Drol as well as bumping up my test. Switch compounds often as well, our bodies get used to the drugs fast, especially if we've used the compound before.

[cb1]

I'm 45 took a bunch of years off also to have my boys and been back training since last fall. I also notice a drop off in effectiveness of the drugs after a short while. Most of the problem for me is diet, we have to remember to raise our caloric intake on the blast. On my last blast I was actually getting leaner and dropping weight, I just was not eating enough for that amount of gear and training.
That said I think short blasts and then a short cruise is where it's at for me, I just started NPP, masteron, Dbol, and Drol as well as bumping up my test. Switch compounds often as well, our bodies get used to the drugs fast, especially if we've used the compound before.

FF, We have alot in common. I was also not eating enough. I was blasting and not gaining any weight, just getting leaner. I eat often and alot but the gear just raises your metabolic rate so high. I am also cruising on 250 test C and 250 deca which I wouldnt be using but I am having alot of joint pain from the last blast. I like the NPP,masteron Test. That covers all 3 catagories. I think I am done with anadrol it kills my bp and I feel like crap.

[Misterb]

For 8 weeks if you are open to Tren go with either Test P or Test PP with Tren A and Mast P

dosing on the test can be low since it actually benefits the tren when Estrogen is not a factor, but thats up to you, test feels good at any dose

Id do the Tren A at 100 EOD or if you're up to it 50 to 60 ED and run that for the 8 weeks with the mast the same, good cycle you can bulk or cut on , Dbol kicker is cool, use extra AI since it converts to E very easily

[Gopro]

I'm 45 took a bunch of years off also to have my boys and been back training since last fall. I also notice a drop off in effectiveness of the drugs after a short while. Most of the problem for me is diet, we have to remember to raise our caloric intake on the blast. On my last blast I was actually getting leaner and dropping weight, I just was not eating enough for that amount of gear and training.
That said I think short blasts and then a short cruise is where it's at for me, I just started NPP, masteron, Dbol, and Drol as well as bumping up my test. Switch compounds often as well, our bodies get used to the drugs fast, especially if we've used the compound before.

Sounds like a damn fun ride Fox, just make sure you are taking liver support and plenty of water with those 2 orals. Or are you running them at seperate times??

[flyingfox272]

Sounds like a damn fun ride Fox, just make sure you are taking liver support and plenty of water with those 2 orals. Or are you running them at seperate times??
i made my own "cherry bombs" but they are in capsules, 20mgs Dbol and 25 mgs Anadrol. I only take one a day and usually pre workout. I will only run these for about a month and then I drop them for the rest of the blast. This is a low dose with almost no noticeable sides, at my age I can't afford to beat on my liver like these kids today..... LOL.

[skarkbait]

yo, what fox said... gotta switch up the esters frequently... that plateau at 8 weeks is the receptors getting saturated... Ironworker was a big advocate for kicking off with short esters and then adding orals in at week 6 or so to confuse them... then adding in a new inject compound at week 8 for longer cycles...

I did a 12 wk cycle of prop and ace ..at week 6 added in dbol, then at week 8 dropped the tren and added mast to finish.... that dbol really kicked in well... I got pretty jacked from that one!

[www.37]

Why not stay on your Low does test and add TrenA and mastP(You would not need to add TestP) run that for 8 weeks then jump on npp for another 8 weeks with added test prop Then Try some bold ace with prop and winny or var. Staying on cruise dose though the whole thing. Only adding prop when needed. Also you might start with the npp and finish with the tren.

[Gunner16]

I like to run a cut mix of prop tren a mast a and add a cc of andropen or cyp or sust every week. I know what your saying about being on to long I ran a long this year and seemed I hit a wall. I've been cruising for a couple months now and its time to get back in it. I start mine with Dbol also for some reason I don't bloat and also in the beginning I like to throw in some tne for the first couple of weeks here & there. Good luck and I have to say your a big damn boy I'm 6' 220 but have always stayed towards the bb side of it.

[mattyice]

First off my stats. I am in my early 40s. I did my first cycle in my early 20s. I took off about 8yrs when I first got married and had little kids. Been back at it about 4yrs solid. I am 6ft3 weigh 295 right now. Started a cruise about 3wks ago lost a few pounds. I compete some in powerlifting. Strength is my main goal but I am slowly going towards BB or powerbuilding. One year ago I was fairly blown up and competed at 345bodyweight so I have leaned out alot in the last year. At 295 you can clearly see my top two abs on both sides and the sides of the bottom set. Still got a little flab in middle at the bottom. Im guessing 13-15%.
After I cruise and clean out I want to possibly do shorter cycles. I have stayed on way too long. I honestly feel like I make gains the first 6wks big time. By the 8-9th wk I get almost nothing. I feel like Im wasting it at that point. I always run test 800-1200 with deca or eq around 600. Or low dose tren a. Start with anadrol or dball. Normal stuff. I think I would be better off cycle 6-8wks cruise 5-8wks and start over. It seems like a reach a point and just cant get past it.
I want to run 1 19nor one test and one DHT base compound. I think Test, tren e, Mast E. Might try some Tboll to start. Dont want to run EQ because I want to stop at 8wks. Any thoughts?

Your probably more like 18-22% bf if you guess your 13% and have belly fat and weigh 300lbs. I know because I was 315 a while back same height. As for cycle...you gta diet down and cardio to burn fat. The gear will help you not lose muscle as you lose weight. Screw deca... run test and NPP moderately and alternate var and winstrol for 4-6 weeks with a 3-4 week break between. good luck.

[chrisotpherm]

I have blasted many time and always cruise as im trt. I like to to blast either 6-8wks and can cut off time by a week if you want. Can base the time off on how you feel but test levels, bp, cholesterol and liver values when we talk about blasting multiple times with tren.

I always recommend and what I follow: blast, then cruise, get the above test done, repeat for a few cycles of like three. After three as long as there is no crazy fluctuations from test you essentially have a baseline of what your body is telling you and you can get test ran around 4-6mnths. As lets face it y'all are all getting old (not me, just y'all) (lololol) and we won't to keep our bodies checked on.

Oh and during the blast periods get some test ran as well to see whats going on.

My favorite blast is:
800-1000mg prop
4-600mg tren a
50mg Dbol or 50 work up to 100mg drol if a little water retention doesn't bother you in the beginning

If cutting 40mg work up to 60mg of tbol
Or 80mg of var and you can run var longer if you can afford it at around 8-10wks.

Just my two cents. I just recently ran I'm telling myself last long cycle of 20wks that ended in June. Yeah it was fun and great results don't get me wrong but at the 14wk mark I was so sick of pinning all the crap I was running I hated to green mile to the bathroom to pin. Lol.

[bbcoach]

wow some good looking cycles in here.. I think i am going try a shorter cycle myself. I can use the info in this thread for sure... Keep things rolling.

[MuscleAddiction]

Why not stay on your Low does test and add TrenA and mastP(You would not need to add TestP) run that for 8 weeks then jump on npp for another 8 weeks with added test prop Then Try some bold ace with prop and winny or var. Staying on cruise dose though the whole thing. Only adding prop when needed. Also you might start with the npp and finish with the tren.

Great suggestion for us cruisers...I am designing my cycle now and it will have some long esters and short ester blasts incorporated changing up every 8 weeks, along with some orals thrown in as well...I will post up when I have it finished.

[sofargone561]

anything 10 weeks or shorter use short ester stuff, test p, test pp, npp, tren a, mast p stuff like that. add in orals var winny dbol depending on waht you are trying to see out of it.
If your trying to cut run test p, mast p, tren a and throw in some var or winny somewhere in there.
Bulk id run test p, npp and dbol. dont even bother with EQ unless your doing atleast 14 weeks but if you can get some bold ace that would be nice i heard the pip is nasty with that though lol

[www.37]

One of my favorite cycle is test E 600mg pr week and tren A 100mg ED for 12 weeks. Start them both the same time and it works great for me. I will add mast too sometimes.