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rmkicks
11-29-2013, 03:49 AM
Q: “A lot of advice says testosterone (http://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/testosterone/) must be used every cycle. But definitely some get great results without it. Does it really need to be used for best results? Why isn’t it like with most drugs, for example the NSAIDs, where any of them does the job and combining two does nothing different than taking more of one? Or does the same principle apply and you only need to use enough of any?”
A: It’s possible to have a completely effective cycle with or without testosterone.
While each person may have his own reason for believing that testosterone “must” be used, I think the main reason many believe this is because testosterone provides a complete spectrum of effect while the synthetics generally do not do so when used individually or combined inefficiently.
For example, with only testosterone 500 mg/week might be used for a moderate but reasonably-effective cycle, 750 mg/week for a stronger but still moderate one, or 1000 mg/week for an even stronger but still hardly unreasonable cycle. There’s a substantial step up in performance at each increased level. And ultimately with still larger amounts such as 2 grams per week, performance is reaching near the maximum that can be achieved with anabolic steroids (http://thinksteroids.com/) alone at any dose.
With individual synthetics such as say Dianabol (http://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/dianabol/), Anadrol (http://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/anadrol/), oxandrolone (http://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/anavar/), Primobolan (http://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/primobolan/), trenbolone (http://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/trenbolone-acetate/), etc, no matter how much is taken alone, that maximum level of effect won’t be achieved. There’s a substantial increase in performance as dosage is increased, up to particular amounts characteristic of each drug, but nothing really past that. Likely at that point the drugs are working fully in the ways that they work, but used alone, they aren’t covering all the bases.
Inefficient combinations work the same, or nearly so, as the individual usages. For example, about the same maximum is reached using trenbolone alone as using trenbolone plus either Primobolan or oxandrolone; and adding Anadrol to Dianabol gives little if anything beyond what Dianabol alone can do. A poor combination is rather like your example of combining two anti-inflammatories. There’s no point in doing so: there’s no resulting increase in maximal effect compared to simply taking more of one of them.
However, it’s quite different when the synthetics are combined effectively. For example, 100 mg/day trenbolone acetate alone is not too exciting for mass gain, and neither is 100 mg/day Dianabol alone. I would put either choice well below 100 mg/day (700 mg/week) testosterone. Neither trenbolone nor Dianabol alone covers all the bases.
But the same total milligram amount of drug – 100 mg/day – is an entirely different story when it’s provided as a combination of 50 mg/day trenbolone acetate and 50 mg/day Dianabol. Suddenly, you have a stack substantially more effective than 700 mg/week testosterone.
So you don’t need to use testosterone to have a fully effective steroid cycle, but it’s a simple way to be sure of covering the bases. The other ways are to use effective combinations of synthetics, or effective combinations of synthetics together with testosterone.

bigsam
11-30-2013, 05:36 PM
I would never run one without it.

315 BEAST
11-30-2013, 05:40 PM
I wouldnt either

PAiN
11-30-2013, 06:42 PM
Test is the building block for all things male. I have never ran a cycle without it and never will.

People keeping trying to come up with new ways to run cycles. Just keep the shit simple and use what works.

08gsxr
11-30-2013, 06:43 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself pain. Testosterone is what makes us men. It's simple

enrod
11-30-2013, 11:07 PM
Test is best :9584:

The fun part is picking what to run with my test :D

bdad
12-01-2013, 07:51 AM
Before I knew any better I used to run decca cycle's with a dbol kicker, for about 6 months a years you could'nt throw a cooter at me.

TheHamburglar
12-01-2013, 04:49 PM
I have done 2 cycles without test strictly as an experiment to find out what would happen for myself.

Long story short I always run test, as both cycles progressed I felt much more lethargic, libido was wayyyy down, and the overall feeling was not what I would call positive.

I do keep test much lower for certain cycles. For example when I run tren I will usually run no more than 200-300mgs of test for 400-600mgs of tren and for other cycles like deca I may run much more test i.e. 1000-1200mgs of test with 600mgs deca.

bruski36
12-15-2013, 01:34 AM
Test should alllways be your base.....weather its test prop,test cyp,or test e.........

kubes
12-16-2013, 03:25 AM
Yes any androgens added to your body are going to cause suppression and or complete shut down of natty test production so it's important to at least run low dose test as a base

hunkstrum
12-27-2013, 12:50 AM
testosterone has always given me the best bang for the buck. I would absolutely recommend dbol-only cycle. But test is your bodies sex hormone and serves important physiological function, like keeping your dick hard among other things. So if you run other compounds that suppress test for long periods of time, you gotta replace. btw, I must be an anomaly because I could never get anywhere near the concentration of drugs some of you brothers do.

Wks41
12-27-2013, 01:07 AM
I,like to have sex to much to compromise not getting hard. I'll keep the test.

707boy
01-24-2014, 11:25 AM
I did 600mg of test and 400mg of deca with some caber and I have never been hornier in my life! My girlfriend hates it and can't wait till I get off lol sooo after that said... test will always be in my cycle to scared of not being able to porn star it up lol

slash75cmd
01-26-2014, 05:40 PM
Test is the building block for all things male. I have never ran a cycle without it and never will.

People keeping trying to come up with new ways to run cycles. Just keep the shit simple and use what works.

This I believe. My first cycle (or stab at steroids), all I had was EQ. Some guy told me that that was all I needed for my age to get my strength back and lose fat and he was fucking wrong! I used EQ alone for a couple of months and only had a bigger appetite, something that a depressed 40+ year-old fat shell of a man doesn't need. (I wasn't that fat, but just giving an idea of how shitty I felt.) Then I got a hold of some test amps and stacked them with a lower dosage of the EQ, and started to see a difference in my workouts, body, and energy. After all that I realized that 1) I needed to do better research and stop listening to bro-science, 2) have a plan, and 3) that all I really needed was test or TRT. I will continue to use other gear, but not without the test.

Just keeping that shit simple baby! I need wood!