Ai feedback for test only cycle

[The Drakon Rep]

This is going to be my sec. Test only cycle. My first cycle I used test e 300mg a week with a test prop kick start for 12 weeks. I saw some gains. I gained about 15 pounds, held on to about 10 of that. I didn't get any gyno on this low test cycle. The only thing I got was a little rebound on my pct, not bad though just some itch in the nip area but not serious. This time around I'm doing 400-500 mg of test e broken up twice a week with a dbol kick-start at 30mg ED. Now what I've been leaning towards proviron for my ai during cycle at 25-50mg ED & running it up all the way through till my pct. the reason why I'm doing this route because I've done a lot of research on this & what I have read up on is this is great for test only cycles as an ai and that it frees up more test. For max gains. Also I've also read that the other ai's also brings up your cholesterol levels pretty high & I would like to steer away from that.... So if there is anyone that has experience with running proviron as an ai I would love to hear your feed back.
also here are some stats
hight 5'7
weight 165
age 39
waist 33
b/f around 18-20% haven't gotten an accurate measurement with calipers just hand held dig.
been working out all my life off & on but I've been on for a couple of years hard.

[08gsxr]

Good luck brother. Keep us updated on it and let us know. Nothing wrong with a good test cycle

[kubes]

If you can run labs to determine the amount of ai needed that would be better. I would not rely solely on proviron as an ai. Adex or aromasin would be my choice

[Khem]

Aromasin is the best AI hands down. Not even close.. It won't mess with your lipids and can be run indefinitely for its T boosting effects..

You shouldn't need it with those doses, though keep it on hand. The more bodyfat you have the more you will aromatize and hold water. I would get Aromasin to run in PCT and even if you wanted optimal recovery, use it as a bridge inbetween cycles..

Example,

This cycle x 12 weeks
Start aromasin ED x 12 weeks
Start next cycle

Repeat.

[The Drakon Rep]

What would be your opinion on why not to run it as an ai

[Khem]

You don't really want to run an AI on cycle unless its necessary.. Believe it or not estrogen has value for growth to an extent. Its pretty well accepted by the pros that you should avoid it unless you need it.. If you NEED it to not look like a bloated water bag, then by all means. If you don't need it I wouldn't bother with it. Keep it on hand or use it as your bridge between cycles.

[The Drakon Rep]

So here is a description of what proviron does that I got off of this forum that someone else posted.....


So lets go back to the comparison with being some sort of "Oral Masteron"& basically since Proviron is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, and also has a very high affinity for binding to the aromatase enzyme (the enzyme responsible for converting all that good testosterone in your body into all that nasty estrogen). That means if you choose to take proviron with testosterone (and I know you wouldn´t even be doing a cycle without including some form of testosterone) and/or any aromatizable steroid, it should actually serve to prevent estrogen build up by the aforementioned binding to the aromatase enzyme, which prevents aromatase from doing it´s dirty work and making a bunch of estrogen out of the other steroids you are taking. It should also be noted that Proviron also binds very well to SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin& a hormone responsible for reducing the amount of circulating free testosterone in your body)(1). As a matter of fact, in the last study I read, it bound to SHBG better than any other drug studied. Also, I´d like to note that Proviron bound to the Anabolic Receptor better than any oral anabolic (except for the insanely toxic MethylTrienolone), having an ability to bind to the AR better then testosterone, but not as well as Nandrolone (1). Unfortunately, as we know, DHT also has a high affinity for binding to receptors in the scalp and prostate, causing some possible nasty side effects, like male pattern baldness and prostate enlargement. It´s important to remember that DHT and DHT derived compounds are used quite successfully to treat gynocomastia, and in this area, Proviron is no different.


Let´s delve into some of the positive points of this drug before we go any farther. Androgen Receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(5), and whilethey act on the AR in muscle cells to promote growth, they also act directly on the AR in fat cells to affect fat burning.(9)(3) The stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose (fat)tissue(6)(2). As if that´s not enough good news, some steroids (notably, testosterone) even increase the numbers of A.R. in muscle and fat (9)(7). Thus, if you are taking a simple stack of proviron and testosterone, you´ll have more of the test you shoot as free testosterone floating around building muscle (compliments of the Proviron), more androgen receptors to be bound to (compliments of your testosterone) by your Proviron, thus causing more fat loss. Testosterone and Proviron are a very nice synergistic stack, pretty nearly an "ideal" stack of an oral and injectable, because both drugs will actually act to enhance the effect of the other.


So what we have here is a steroid which can basically make other steroids more effective by preventing their conversion into estrogen, as well as increasing the amount of circulating free testosterone in your body. This of course all provides a more hardened and quality look to muscles. Proviron is very much a "synergistic" drug in this respect, and it´s inclusion in any cycle would definitely make all of the other steroids perform better, and provide better gains. This is all compounded by the fact that proviron is a very lipolytic (fat-burning) drug.....



So from my understanding proviron would be ideal to take with a test only cycle because of how it binds to the aromatase enzyme which converts into estrogen. So this stops the test from aromatasing, and it frees up the free test in your blood stream for max gains. Also it helps with burning fat.... So why would this be a bad ai?

[Khem]

Its expensive, and frequently faked.. and you still don't need an AI At these doses.

[The Drakon Rep]

Ok thank you!

[zoomzelineee]

I would always keep an AI on hand or even run low dose through cycle, i hate arimidex, shit for lipids and have a rebound after PCT, aromasin is my go to i run it eod 12.5mg and up the dose if sides start coming, i also use aromasin in my PCT.

[kubes]

I would always keep an AI on hand or even run low dose through cycle, i hate arimidex, shit for lipids and have a rebound after PCT, aromasin is my go to i run it eod 12.5mg and up the dose if sides start coming, i also use aromasin in my PCT.

Eod I use 12.5 mg Ed and it keeps my estro in range and I am not estro sensitive. I know many people that run 25 mg Ed of aromasin. You must be one of the lucky ones to get by on that low dose ;)

[zoomzelineee]

Eod I use 12.5 mg Ed and it keeps my estro in range and I am not estro sensitive. I know many people that run 25 mg Ed of aromasin. You must be one of the lucky ones to get by on that low dose ;)

I am happy that i am one of the lucky ones, for me the less drugs the better, i always get my bloods done during cycle and estro is always fine

[Herc]

Personally I would never run that cycle without an AI, especially with Dbol in the mix. Dbol could give you gyno fast. Run Aromasin, or very low dose Letro on
cycle. If you started getting rebound gyno after last cycle, I would bet you are prone to it. IMO I wouldn't chance it. As far as lost gains due to low estrogen, I still don't buy it. I have made awesome gains on even 2.5mg letro when on cycle (got gyno). You get the Muscle and strength without all the bloat when using an AI.

[Herc]

And...Proviron wouldn't be a bad idea to run with this cycle for the synergistic effect it has with other AAS like test. But still run an AI along side it.

[Brasco]

With this amount no not really needed. BUT remember everybody's body reacts in different ways. I my personally would have an AI on stand by for the just in case. Well I some how missed the dbol, yes run an AI dbol is some killer stuff. It is really hard on the body.