Ok Boys back to cycle

[Speedy2011]

I have been gone a while so i will rewrite my stats and info.

I am in my mid 30's 5'5" 125 Pounds have about 22-24% body fat Diet is good (15-1600 calories) and 95% clean (i cheat with the occasional cookie or chips)

I am a Long distance runner but was injured last year and spent the last few months training hard. I and looking to with help recovering and building a little muscle while tightening up as i try to lose the last 8-12 pounds

I have run a few cycles of VAR and winny in the past.

I run about 40-60 miles a week usually 6 days or running with 2-3 days of core and light upper body work.

I made the mistake i guess of buying some Clen in my last purchase as everything i have ready says to avoid high intense aerobic activity even thought it increases the oxygen in the blood :-\.

I also got some VAR that i guess i will be running instead (i am thinking 10 MG a day)

Any one want to share some thoughs?

PS Noticed a lot of the other ladies have dissapeared.

[Speedy2011]

Forgot to add I am taking fish oil, glucosamine, and milk thistle.

any idea to keep off water retension I had a bit last time.

[AndyL]

You should be able to lost weight with the low calorie diet your on and high aerobic activity . Running 40-60 miles a week is a hell of a lot , plus workouts in the gym . Var is supposed to be good for females , and you may want to try T-3 -Cytomel with the var if you never use it .

[rmkicks]

Speedy its great to see you active again. Your right about the ladies here at BOP, we need to increase the number of "pink" members here. 40 to 60 miles of running a week is a shit load, I'm impressed!! I have a niece that runs probably 40 or so miles a week. Good luck with the var and your training.

[animal87]

If you have ran var in the past with no problems you should be ok with 10mg. You could get primo it's supposed to be good for athletic performance as well as the muscle building properties.

[enrod]

Perhaps try cutting your calories a little more, shoot for 13-1400. I'm floored you run that far with that little amount of calories and still have trouble losing weight.

[bigpimpdaddy]

Let me start off by saying...I'm impressed that you run 40-60 miles a week !! I am a large guy and it is very hard for me to run 5 miles a week let alone that much..
Calorie intake # 1 on my list if I'm cutting.. But at the same time you said build muscle mass as well.. Its very hard to do both at the same time.. Why not build muscle mass until you are at your goal and then start a cutting cycle to tone those extra pounds of muscle..
I think you will have better success at it if you approach it from that angle.
Good Luck Speedy and its great to see you on the board again..

[animal87]

I used to run 5 miles a day when I was in teens early 20s and that killed me I don't know how you do that. Now I could prob. barely run a mile.

[Speedy2011]

I would love to try primo but I am scared to death or pinning. I tried before and had a anxiety attach and woke up on the floor

[kubes]

I would love to try primo but I am scared to death or pinning. I tried before and had a anxiety attach and woke up on the floor

Speedy i will be following this thread :) You may be surprised what you can do with proper nutrition and then when you get lean adding in a fat burner just to ice the cake

[Speedy2011]

Speedy i will be following this thread :) You may be surprised what you can do with proper nutrition and then when you get lean adding in a fat burner just to ice the cake

what kinda fat burner? I am a little nervous about taking anything that might spike my bp

[kubes]

what kinda fat burner? I am a little nervous about taking anything that might spike my bp

Clen is works pretty well with a strict nutrition plan

[Speedy2011]

i purchased clen and was thinking about using it but i do high intensity cardio 1-2x a week and everything i read said that wasn't advised. is that not true?

[kubes]

i purchased clen and was thinking about using it but i do high intensity cardio 1-2x a week and everything i read said that wasn't advised. is that not true?

Clen is pretty well known to cause muscle cramp but staying hydrated, potassium and taurine are known to help with that. What dose are or we're you considering running?

[Speedy2011]

probably start with about 15mcg a day maybe move to 20 later

[kubes]

probably start with about 15mcg a day maybe move to 20 later

Nice and low. Thats a good idea and see how you feel from there. My girl has done as much as 25 mcg and the shakes were a little to much... fyi

[Speedy2011]

Ok ran 15mcg this morning took Turine and potassium keeping hydrated. I have not really felt anything maybe a little hunger? Normal??

[kubes]

Yeah it's a very low dose but it's better to be safe than sorry. Maybe do 20 tomorrow. Go slow

[bionic redneck]

if ur wanting to add a lil muscle id cut back on the running a lil bit.......... and adjust carbs and protien and fats to find a spot where u can add muscle and lose fat, it took me a year of changin my diet up to find out what worked best for me...

[Speedy2011]

I have cut the calories back and running down a bit for the next two weeks. At 20MCG feeling very slight gitters on occasion but no other issues. Tested BP this morning 110/70 so seems ok.


It is safe to start my var cycle as soon as I finish this?

[kubes]

How are you planning to cycle the var? Are you doing 2 weeks on the Clen and then 2 weeks back on?

[Speedy2011]

2-4-2 was my plan

[bone]

Yeah speedy my wife runs clen too.Two wks on two wks off.She always runs it with bronkaid it contains 25mg of ephedrine.

[kubes]

Yeah speedy my wife runs clen too.Two wks on two wks off.She always runs it with bronkaid it contains 25mg of ephedrine.

Bad deal is bronkaid is not easy to get anymore :(

[Speedy2011]

Bronkaid?

[kubes]

Bronkaid?

its used to make eca stack

[bone]

IDk kubes Im almost certain my wife buys the stuff from walgreens?I'll find out later.

[kubes]

IDk kubes Im almost certain my wife buys the stuff from walgreens?I'll find out later.

Right it just depends on what state you are in. Here you cannot get it without a script

[bone]

Were in jersey. pm me if your were to need help with that.Just putt'n that out there, you've been really helpful and I see you try and help everyone as much as possible.

[Speedy2011]

Also here in NJ.. Just look local Walmart and Walgreens has it in stock but you have to show an ID

[bone]

Very cool speedy!Love the avatar....Im up in the mountains of north Jersey right on the state line.

[Speedy2011]

I am down near the shore

[bone]

There calling for another 8-12 by me ugh!!!This is really getting old.

[Speedy2011]

Ok bumped to 30 MCG this morning feeling a little jumpy and a bit light headed... normal? cut back?

[hunkstrum]

I would love to try primo but I am scared to death or pinning. I tried before and had a anxiety attach and woke up on the floor

That's what happened my first time :-) which was some years ago. I also shattered the ampule I was using and got shards of it stuck in my thumb because I was an idiot. You'll be fine. It's really the easiest thing in the world. A blind person could hit their glute, no problem.

[bone]

Hey speedy try splitting your dose into two or more smaller ones.I personally dont care to feel like that either.It makes me alittle shaky.

[kubes]

Hey speedy try splitting your dose into two or more smaller ones.I personally dont care to feel like that either.It makes me alittle shaky.

This is a good idea speedy :)

[HARD AT IT]

I would love to try primo but I am scared to death or pinning.

Good thing we have oral Primo in stock for ya!!! Lmk if theres anything we can help ya out with =)

[Speedy2011]

Hi guys took some time off finally back.

Oral Primo?? how is that on the liver?

Looking for EPO info as well..

[studmuffin]

Glad you are back, it is always good to hear from one our sisters.

[Speedy2011]

thanks stud but i need some real info lol

[animal87]

Hi guys took some time off finally back.

Oral Primo?? how is that on the liver?

Looking for EPO info as well..

oral primo should be mild on the liver, just take some support supps and you should be fine. EPO I dont know much about, other than have heard you need to be very careful will raise you RBC and BP very high if you use too much.

[Speedy2011]

is oral primo liquid or pill?

[Speedy2011]

what kind of dosage?

[animal87]

I've only seen pill form. I dont know about dosage honestly. Its too weak for a guy to bother takeing, so i havent looked into it very much.

[Speedy2011]

anyone? :(

[Speedy2011]

BUMP!!!

[macedog24]

Usually 10mg dose. Hope your still around!

[Speedy2011]

still here 10mg? how often?

[crazylegs80]

http://www.anabolic-bible.org/Profile.aspx?callpage=Primobolan

[Speedy2011]

link says 50-75mg a day!!! that quite a bit more then 10mg!

[Speedy2011]

i am about to place an order want to make sure I am doing the right thing

[crazylegs80]

That dose is depending upon cycle history, weight, etc. 25 to 50mg ED would be more like it, just start low and work your way up slowly. Oral primo is weak and just because you take 50mg ED, not all 50mg are becoming bio avaliable in your body.

[Speedy2011]

thanks

[studmuffin]

Glad to see you speedy!

[Speedy2011]

just ordered crossing my fingers lol

[crazylegs80]

just ordered crossing my fingers lol

You go with oral primo?l

[Speedy2011]

yes i did