Not sure I'm liking this...

[FrankTheTank]

Ok, a lot of you know how I'm trying the low test high tren cycle. Here's what I'm running...

200mg Test E a week
800mg Tren E a week
800mg Mast E a week
100mg Anavar a day
.25mg caber every 3rd day

I'm liking what's go on, on the outside but not so much on the inside. I'm gonna try to explain this the best I can. First, I feel nauseous (kinda like I'm car sick) quite a bit. And my mind is like going a million miles an hour. Hard to focus, like this morning I was driving and I totally pulled out right in front of somebody where they had to slam on their brakes. It's like my body was there but mentally I was in a different world. My head constantly feels like a slight tingle sensation, like I can feel the electricity flowing through my brain.....lol I know all this sounds crazy! I think it's the tren, maybe that's why sleep is rough on tren? Maybe your brain is just running wild and it keeps you awake???

Maybe I need to get some ***** or something??? Or maybe I should lower the tren??? Anyways, just thought I'd share what's going on with you guys...

[Dick]

My head constantly feels like a slight tingle sensation, like I can feel the electricity flowing through my brain.....lol I know all this sounds crazy!

That does not sound crazy at all bro I am feeling that a bit as well except I am not running Tren , great way to explain it to be honest. That is a bunch of Tren though I can't really help since the most I have ran was 400 mg a week.

[wook]

If the Avi is you, it looks like you have the size to handle 800 mgs tren... Have you ran the low test high tren cycle before? I think it would mess with me too as I'm used to running a lot more test? Maybe it's just something you have to get used to... I was thinking about trying a similar cycle this summer, but now i'm having second thoughts. For me, tren makes me paranoid about everything (life, health, job etc.), so with low test, I def wouldn't want to feel worse! Thanks for sharing and keep us posted! Hope it all works out in the end for you!

[Khem]

Caber is known to effect some people mentally. You have to remember it messes with your dopamine, its a dopamine agonist. You should absolutely not need any caber on this cycle, I would drop it and let it fade, because that is the culprit imo.

I always preach, always have ancillaries on hand but never ever use it unless you need it. They all have side effects too.


Side effects

Side effects are mostly dose dependent. Much more severe side effects are reported for treatment of Parkinson's disease and (off-label treatment) for restless leg syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restless_leg_syndrome) which both typically require very high doses. The side effects are considered mild when used for treatment of hyperprolactinemia and other endocrine disorders or gynecologic indications where the typical dose is 10-100 times smaller than for Parkinson's disease.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
Cabergoline requires slow dose titration (2–4 weeks for hyperprolactinemia, often much longer for other conditions) to minimise side effects. The extremely long bioavailability of the medication may complicate dosing regimens during titration and require particular precautions.
Cabergoline is considered the best tolerable option for hyperprolactinemia treatment although the newer and less tested quinagolide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinagolide) may offer similarly favourable side effect profile with quicker titration times.
Approximately 200 patients with newly diagnosed Parkinson's disease participated in a clinical study (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial) of cabergoline monotherapy.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Seventy-nine (79) percent reported at least one side effect. These side effects were chiefly mild or moderate:


GI tract: Side effects were extremely frequent. Fifty-three percent of patients reported side effects. Very frequent: Nausea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausea) (30%), constipation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constipation) (22%), and dry mouth (10%). Frequent: Gastric irritation (7%), vomiting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomiting) (5%), and dyspepsia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyspepsia) (2%).

Psychiatric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry) disturbances and central nervous system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_nervous_system) (CNS): Altogether 51 percent of patients were affected. Very frequent: Sleep disturbances (somnolence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnolence) 18%, insomnia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia) 11%), vertigo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertigo_%28medical%29) (27%), and depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression) (13%). Frequent: dyskinesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskinesia) (4%) and hallucinations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinations) (4%).
Cardiovascular: Approximately 30 percent of patients experienced side effects. Most frequent were hypotension (10%), peripheral edema (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edema) (14%) and non-specific edema (2%). Arrhythmias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrhythmias) were encountered in 4.8%, palpitations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpitations) in 4.3%, and angina pectoris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angina_pectoris) in 1.4%.

[TheTrain]

Honestly bro the longer I stay on tren I HAVE to start a benzo or I cant even sleep 3 hours at a time. SUcks but it is what it is...doesn't sound crazy at all bro.

Not to be weird but hows the sex life on 200mg test with all that tren, does the mast keep things rocking like high dose test??? That seems to be my understanding of it anyway...

[TheTrain]

Ive ran 800mg tren, sweat like a faggot eating a hotdog and keep pole at full staff it feels like all the time. But I think 750mg a week test was what I was running with it...nothing makes my body look like tren. Downside is I get gassed walking up stairs even lol

Its a lot of chemicals brother, you never know how its going to react until you do it:) My opinions...sorry 2 posts

[johnnytats]

400 of tren did similar symptoms to me too. i used valium 5 mg at night. also had the head tingle from my blood pressure going up. like what kehm said about the caber because i did not ever get nausia from tren, sweats at night were a little to much too. post back up if you drop the caber frank im curios about it because i was going to go with it if i decided to add tren on my next cycle after summer

[FrankTheTank]

If the Avi is you, it looks like you have the size to handle 800 mgs tren... Have you ran the low test high tren cycle before? I think it would mess with me too as I'm used to running a lot more test? Maybe it's just something you have to get used to... I was thinking about trying a similar cycle this summer, but now i'm having second thoughts. For me, tren makes me paranoid about everything (life, health, job etc.), so with low test, I def wouldn't want to feel worse! Thanks for sharing and keep us posted! Hope it all works out in the end for you!

Yes that is me in the picture, that was last week. This is my first time trying the low test. I normally get that paranoid feeling too but it's not really that bad this cycle.

[FrankTheTank]

Honestly bro the longer I stay on tren I HAVE to start a benzo or I cant even sleep 3 hours at a time. SUcks but it is what it is...doesn't sound crazy at all bro.

Not to be weird but hows the sex life on 200mg test with all that tren, does the mast keep things rocking like high dose test??? That seems to be my understanding of it anyway...

Sex drive is good bro! That's one reason why I was running the caber.

[FrankTheTank]

Caber is known to effect some people mentally. You have to remember it messes with your dopamine, its a dopamine agonist. You should absolutely not need any caber on this cycle, I would drop it and let it fade, because that is the culprit imo.

I always preach, always have ancillaries on hand but never ever use it unless you need it. They all have side effects too.

I'm gonna do some more research but you might be right.

[hunkstrum]

Ok, a lot of you know how I'm trying the low test high tren cycle. Here's what I'm running...

200mg Test E a week
800mg Tren E a week
800mg Mast E a week
100mg Anavar a day
.25mg caber every 3rd day

I'm liking what's go on, on the outside but not so much on the inside. I'm gonna try to explain this the best I can. First, I feel nauseous (kinda like I'm car sick) quite a bit. And my mind is like going a million miles an hour. Hard to focus, like this morning I was driving and I totally pulled out right in front of somebody where they had to slam on their brakes. It's like my body was there but mentally I was in a different world. My head constantly feels like a slight tingle sensation, like I can feel the electricity flowing through my brain.....lol I know all this sounds crazy! I think it's the tren, maybe that's why sleep is rough on tren? Maybe your brain is just running wild and it keeps you awake???

Maybe I need to get some ***** or something??? Or maybe I should lower the tren??? Anyways, just thought I'd share what's going on with you guys...

It's the sauce. 800mg of both masteron and tren is an unreal amount of androgen, dude. I'm not surprised at all that you feel like this. I was actually expecting it. I know guys that lose their minds on a gram of test alone. You mentioned that you were going to start 100mg/day winstrol soon. Please doin't do that. For your own safety. I think cutting the tren in half is a good start. It's just a suggestion, though. I want you to do what you feel most comfortable doing. But you don't want to have a freak-out in the middle of a public place and end up in jail. I've seen that. Almost been there myself.

It could be the caber causing the nausea, but you're not really taking very much of it.

[kubes]

It's the sauce. 800mg of both masteron and tren is an unreal amount of androgen, dude. I'm not surprised at all that you feel like this. I was actually expecting it. I know guys that lose their minds on a gram of test alone. You mentioned that you were going to start 100mg/day winstrol soon. Please doin't do that. For your own safety. I think cutting the tren in half is a good start. It's just a suggestion, though. I want you to do what you feel most comfortable doing. But you don't want to have a freak-out in the middle of a public place and end up in jail. I've seen that. Almost been there myself.

It could be the caber causing the nausea, but you're not really taking very much of it.
I agree with Hunk 800 mg of tren is a lot

[Mfire]

Frank every since I went on the tritren which upped my dose from 400 tren e to 600 tri weekly I know exactly what your talking about! The tingling, attn problems, lack of sleep the big one for me is I hear people talking to me but if I'm not specifically paying attn to them, I can't remember what they say, I've looked dead at cars and pulled right out in front of them, and thought, wtf did I do that for, or the truck will drift towards the side I just watch it happen till I like snap out of it. I don't drive at work, if I did I'd have to drop the tren. The results are so good I just keep pushing through. At the same time, I can just ignore pain if I have it, I know it's there like a nagging woman, but I just don't care

[animal87]

I've ran tren/mast./prop 700mg of each. I didn't enjoy it, was working 12hr days 6 days a week, and training each day after work. With the tren on top of that I literally only slept every other day and it was like it was physically impossible to smile. I'm not the type to get pissed off but I just wasn't my normal happy joking self.

[Mfire]

Oh and Frank I'm using Parami not Caber

[TexxGearsRep]

That is a lot of Trenbolone Frank. It is making your mind behave that way. Trenbolone also uses a lot of calories. If you are not eating enough you will feel sick. If you train you can eat a lot of food on Trenbolone and not gain any fat. Don't be afraid to eat. Try eating more and then maybe the nausea goes away.

[TheTrain]

If you start changing things, im sure you know already but only change one thing at a time so you can figure out whats giving you the rough/nausea feeling. SO in the future you don't do it to yourself again. Just my thoughts on it...there is nothing like running 800mg of tren. The way you look is second to none if you can handle it...My opinion of course

[Dont wanna be old]

Make sure you take your daily aspirin .
Add tablespoon safflower oil to any protein shakes or oatmeal etc .
Taking caber E3D . Go 1 more day and evaluate . Go back to E3D and try .5mg
It has to be trial and error , seeing how you feel .
10mg high quality melatonin 30/40 minute before bed .
If nothing reduce var some . You will know in a day if less is better .
Tren E is high but takes a week to get that lower so work with what you can immediately

Keep us updated
DWBO

[FrankTheTank]

Went and donated blood today. Blood pressure was kinda high 141/84 normally I'm right around 120/70. I did up the food a little bit added some good carbs in and it seemed to help with the sick feeling. I will take all the advice here into consideration!! I appreciate it fellas!

[xmuscle]

I know some guys cant handle when they get up too a 100mg var day..makes them feel like shit..also caber can have that affect.

[FrankTheTank]

I know some guys cant handle when they get up too a 100mg var day..makes them feel like shit..also caber can have that affect.

You know that might have something to do with it. I actually didn't take the various the last two days so maybe that was what was making me feel that way? Think I'll take it out for now and see how it goes. I've used 100mg of var before but maybe it was under dosed???

[sirpetes28]

Tren is the devil! I'm on 300mg a week my first run: lean mass is nice but emotions and sleep are getting to me ...

[Mfire]

Went and donated blood today. Blood pressure was kinda high 141/84 normally I'm right around 120/70. I did up the food a little bit added some good carbs in and it seemed to help with the sick feeling. I will take all the advice here into consideration!! I appreciate it fellas!
when I gave blood last week mine was 140/90, mine is usually steady at 120/80, I've noticed my hr is higher also, normally upper 60's-low 70's, since I've been on this cycle it's been around 90-96

[BigPapa]

A lot of useful info given out here. So I won't add much except that imo that is a ton of tren. And maybe to much var. But I am watching to see what and how you adjust. It sucks feeling like crap while on cycle. Suppose to feel on top of the world.

[hunkstrum]

Went and donated blood today. Blood pressure was kinda high 141/84 normally I'm right around 120/70. I did up the food a little bit added some good carbs in and it seemed to help with the sick feeling. I will take all the advice here into consideration!! I appreciate it fellas!

That bp is a bit high. This could be causing your nausea and other symptoms you may be having. Going on a course of bp meds for the remainder of your cycle might be a good idea.