bostonlabrat
07-10-2014, 03:30 AM
I have checked around and searched this on a few boards and there were identical threads but full of idiots so I decided to pose this question here (a fight broke out over whether or not AAS could burn fat on the other thread lol classic).
****INFO PEOPLE ASK, SKIP IF UNINTERESTED (I hate when someone asks a question without context)****
To get this out of the way; 6' 1", off gear almost half a year, haven't been lifting until last month (lot of shit going on), been around 210-240 since I was 19 currently a few shy of 30 yo, and currently 200-215 (I fluctuate a lot) with visible abs. My goals are; to preform well at full power meets but never in my life get to a point where I can't see the top two abs preferably see 6, I did a 2 year bulk from 17-19, I was so tired of being the skinny kid I didn't know that yes, I could get fat haha. I am a powerlifter but I can admit I really like to look good lol and it is a priority. Cycle history; for a few years I've been 5 months on/ 5-6 off, in the past I ran hgh in the off from androgens. Ran most compounds save a few exotics. Currently planning cycle of test phenyl prop 200mg eod, dbol 30mg ed, mast prop 150 eod (I have wonderful luck with mast prop as an estrogen controlling drug and I think due to shbg interaction anything I am on feels 'better' with it but I haven't always used it), then tren a, dose? see below. hoping for lean bulk and strength. meet in 2 months first meet back in game.
*****ACTUAL QUESTION******* WHAT IS THE LOWEST DOSE OF TREN YOU HAVE RUN / THINK ONE COULD RUN TO RAMP FROM AND NOTICE ANYTHING, IS 25mg ED EVEN NOTICEABLE?
Last time I ran tren, it kicked the shit out of me. I broke up with my very cool girlfriend for a reason I invented, after a week cried like a BITCH everyday because I decided I wanted her back (thank god, I somehow got out of that one lol), I literally felt insane for a while. 75mg eod of tren a for 14 days then ramped to 150mg eod. Started end of week 3/week 4 and progressed, dropped to 350mg/week got klonopin from doc, got slightly better but eventually dropped it all together so I didn't get to find a comfortable spot (sides were slowly clearing didnt find out how much however). I don't blame this all on tren I know I am accountable, but it wasn't just anxiety, also irritation and rage, there was also insomnia, sweating, ridiculous acne, and appetite sucked. Despite ALL that, I have never been stronger and more lean despite a lot of pre meet wendys (I normally lift in the 220's but walk around just under that so I bulk out a few pounds before meets), the hardness/ definition in my shoulders/traps was amazing. I am in a much better place in my life right now for many reasons and want to try tren a again in a more controlled fashion, ramp up slowly and be able to ditch if I get sides, at least then I will know I tried but its not worth it for me. I was told ED injects lessen the mood sides especially. I was wondering if 25mg is too ridiculous a starting point where I wouldn't have enough to even notice if I got intolerable sides or not, and what the lowest dose you've ever seen work for you/ someone IRL. I am willing to cut tren out altogether, my girl and future mean more to me obviously, but I want to know I tried in a reasonable manner to find a workable zone.
****INFO PEOPLE ASK, SKIP IF UNINTERESTED (I hate when someone asks a question without context)****
To get this out of the way; 6' 1", off gear almost half a year, haven't been lifting until last month (lot of shit going on), been around 210-240 since I was 19 currently a few shy of 30 yo, and currently 200-215 (I fluctuate a lot) with visible abs. My goals are; to preform well at full power meets but never in my life get to a point where I can't see the top two abs preferably see 6, I did a 2 year bulk from 17-19, I was so tired of being the skinny kid I didn't know that yes, I could get fat haha. I am a powerlifter but I can admit I really like to look good lol and it is a priority. Cycle history; for a few years I've been 5 months on/ 5-6 off, in the past I ran hgh in the off from androgens. Ran most compounds save a few exotics. Currently planning cycle of test phenyl prop 200mg eod, dbol 30mg ed, mast prop 150 eod (I have wonderful luck with mast prop as an estrogen controlling drug and I think due to shbg interaction anything I am on feels 'better' with it but I haven't always used it), then tren a, dose? see below. hoping for lean bulk and strength. meet in 2 months first meet back in game.
*****ACTUAL QUESTION******* WHAT IS THE LOWEST DOSE OF TREN YOU HAVE RUN / THINK ONE COULD RUN TO RAMP FROM AND NOTICE ANYTHING, IS 25mg ED EVEN NOTICEABLE?
Last time I ran tren, it kicked the shit out of me. I broke up with my very cool girlfriend for a reason I invented, after a week cried like a BITCH everyday because I decided I wanted her back (thank god, I somehow got out of that one lol), I literally felt insane for a while. 75mg eod of tren a for 14 days then ramped to 150mg eod. Started end of week 3/week 4 and progressed, dropped to 350mg/week got klonopin from doc, got slightly better but eventually dropped it all together so I didn't get to find a comfortable spot (sides were slowly clearing didnt find out how much however). I don't blame this all on tren I know I am accountable, but it wasn't just anxiety, also irritation and rage, there was also insomnia, sweating, ridiculous acne, and appetite sucked. Despite ALL that, I have never been stronger and more lean despite a lot of pre meet wendys (I normally lift in the 220's but walk around just under that so I bulk out a few pounds before meets), the hardness/ definition in my shoulders/traps was amazing. I am in a much better place in my life right now for many reasons and want to try tren a again in a more controlled fashion, ramp up slowly and be able to ditch if I get sides, at least then I will know I tried but its not worth it for me. I was told ED injects lessen the mood sides especially. I was wondering if 25mg is too ridiculous a starting point where I wouldn't have enough to even notice if I got intolerable sides or not, and what the lowest dose you've ever seen work for you/ someone IRL. I am willing to cut tren out altogether, my girl and future mean more to me obviously, but I want to know I tried in a reasonable manner to find a workable zone.