Rich Piana on IGF-1

[Hatefactory]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=00S_aV_vBbI


I am curious as to what some of our peptide sponsors have to say about this? I have used some igf before and have gotten pretty good results, which makes me believe that it is not faked as much as he claims.

[soopafli]

Rich is fuckin paranoid about everything he takes to much tren bro lmao

[hunkstrum]

He has another video with Ric Drasin where he talks about the same thing. Now I don't take peptides, and I've never taken IGF-1 LR3 or Des, but I will say this: thirteen years ago, the only IGR-1 I knew to be available was just called IGF-1. It cost something ridiculous like 300+ dollars for 1mg and came delivered with cold packs. As far as I remember, people were thrilled with the stuff. Now I don't know why he's so quick to call stuff fake, and I disagree with soooo much stuff that comes out of his mouth, but it is curious that you don't hear more people screaming the praise of the stuff currently sold. I would really like to hear the thoughts of someone with practical experience with both.

[animal87]

I think its way underdosed alot anymore. I had good results with it a few years back but thats the one time I used it.

[soopafli]

I pinned 100 mcg after my workout today and hr or so later I had a blood sugar attack now I can't make a direct coralation between the 2 but I have low blood sugar so anything that acts like insulin will and should do that to me ... it was from usa pep

[Rooroo]

I dare u guys to take some time and read the reply's under this video on YouTube . I was able to read 5 mins worth and finally I had enough .
Who can beat 5 mins ?!! Fuckin hilarious!!!

[animal87]

I got to this comment and I couldnt read anymore lol.


I took IGF1 before. My girlfriend hits me from the back with a strap on and the pump I got in my asshole hurt so good I had to tell her to stop.

[rocky83]

I got to this comment and I couldnt read anymore lol.


I took IGF1 before. My girlfriend hits me from the back with a strap on and the pump I got in my asshole hurt so good I had to tell her to stop.


^^^LMAO!!!!

[soopafli]

I got to this comment and I couldnt read anymore lol.
I had to stop there too bro ...lmao ... what a bunch of fucktards

I took IGF1 before. My girlfriend hits me from the back with a strap on and the pump I got in my asshole hurt so good I had to tell her to stop.

I had to stop there too bro ... lmao .. what a bunch of fucktards

[hunkstrum]

lol! so much for a serious conversation... Thanks Youtube!

[Rooroo]

lol! so much for a serious conversation... Thanks Youtube!

So sorry hunk!!! I should have kept my mouth shut bro .
I would love for this thread to continue because it's very interesting and umm important . Sorry bud

[hunkstrum]

So sorry hunk!!! I should have kept my mouth shut bro .
I would love for this thread to continue because it's very interesting and umm important . Sorry bud

lmao!

[Rooroo]

Night my good brothers :)

[soopafli]

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New to Most Fans,*IGF-1*Has Long Been Banned as a Performance Enhancer

By*MARY*PILON and*GINA*KOLATA

JANUARY 29, 2013

In theory, at least, IGF-1 seems almost too good to be true.

It can, at least in animals, heal tendon injuries and build muscles. Available at anti-aging clinics, IGF-1, or insulinlike growth factor-1, has also found favor among athletes for the same reasons that its better-known relative human growth hormone has: it is believed to make an athlete bigger, faster and stronger. It may boost muscle, reduce fat and improve endurance.

IGF-1 came to foreground Tuesday when it was mentioned among the performance-enhancing drugs that a South Florida clinic provided to six baseball players and other professional athletes, according to*a report in the Miami New Times*newspaper.*Sports Illustrated also reported*Tuesday that some football players used a substance taken from deer-antler velvet that contains IGF-1.

Although IGF-1 is unknown to most sports fans, for years the drug has been a mainstay in the constellation of banned performance-enhancing drugs. It has long been on the World Anti-Doping Agency banned substances list, alongside human growth hormone.

There is no widely available urine test for IGF-1, but like human growth hormone, IGF-1 can be detected in blood tests. However, until this month, Major League Baseball and its players union had not reached an agreement to conduct in-season blood testing for human grown hormone.

IGF-1 is made in response to growth hormone and is needed for growth hormone to have its effects on muscles and other tissues. Growth hormone, synthesized in the pituitary gland, travels to the liver, which then responds by producing IGF-1.

The Food and Drug Administration has approved IGF-1 for children with a rare condition in which they fail to make enough of it. Their bones do not grow sufficiently and the children are very short. The drug, sold by Ipsen, is injected under the skin and travels through the blood to bones,*stimulating them to grow.

IGF-1 and deer-antler sprays have drawn attention among elite athletes in recent years. St. Louis Rams linebacker David Vobora won a $5.4 million judgment against Sports With Alternatives to Steroids, or S.W.A.T.S., over the use of one of its sprays, which reportedly contained banned substances including IGF-1. The IGF-1 that the company sells is “natural, not synthetic,” said Mitch Ross, the founder of S.W.A.T.S., adding that it is “a raw food, not a drug.”

IGF-1 is “just like giving someone human growth hormone,” said Don Catlin, the former head of U.C.L.A.’s Olympic Analytical Lab, best known for breaking the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative doping ring. “It goes to the same kinds of receptors and turns them on.”

The S.W.A.T.S. Web site promotes the company as being for “athletes competing without cheating” and its Facebook page lists “IGF-1 Supplement (Deer Antler Velvet)” among its products. Online message boards brim with commentary about its effectiveness, but doctors have called into question whether IGF-1 works in spray form.

Ross, of S.W.A.T. S, said that while he had not tested the long-term effects of natural IGF-1, he maintained that the drug was safe. “If you abuse it, you could have side effects,” he said.

While IGF-1 could help athletes in theory, said Dr. Alan Rogol, a vice president of the Endocrine Society, there are no scientific studies with humans to show the expected effects actually occur. In animals, he said, if IGF-1 is injected into the body, muscles grow. If an animal is produced with genes that cause one muscle to overproduce IGF-1, that muscle grows, and if a tendon is injured, IGF-1 speeds healing.

One of the two tests used to detect growth hormone should also detect abuse of IGF-1. It’s called the marker test and what it actually measures is not growth hormone but growth hormone’s effects — an increase in IGF-1 and an increase in one of the metabolites released when a tendon is being repaired. The other growth hormone test, the isoform test, looks directly for the hormone and so it would not pick up IGF-1.

Rogol, among a small group of doctors who evaluate therapeutic exemptions for the antidoping agency, said the marker test has picked up a few athletes who tested positive, and most admitted growth hormone abuse.

Both growth hormone and IGF-1 are expensive, he added. Each may cost more than $25,000 a year for a child who is using one of the drugs for legitimate reasons. Athletes may use five or 10 times as much IGF-1 or growth hormone because they are bigger and use higher doses.

For professional athletes making millions of dollars a year, “that cost may be trivial,” Rogol said.

Still, the age-old temptations to pursue the use of performance-enhancing drugs remain and make IGF-1 still relevant, doping experts said.

“The only sport where you may not want to use it is curling,” Charles Yesalis, a professor emeritus of health policy and administration at Penn State, said of IGF-1. “In what sport does not being bigger and faster help you do better?”

Given the lags in implementing blood testing for the drug and number of anti-aging clinics sprinkled throughout the country, Yesalis said he was far from surprised when he heard about the wave of headlines Tuesday about IGF-1.

“I think this goes on all the time,” he said. “My response to this one is kind of a yawn. Drug tests didn’t bust these guys. It’s just business as usual

[enrod]

Why take insulin-like growth factor (which is widely faked according to the Internet) if insulin is just as readily available and not faked? It seems to be the prohormone to insulin that's not nearly as efficient. This is all logic, I have no experience with either med.

[animal87]

Slin is alot more complicated and dangerous to take. I have hypoglycemia and I can take igf but I'm afraid to mess with slin.

[Jimmyinkedup]

There is a lot of useless igf. The thing is some peptides cannot be chemically synthesized and be bioavailable. IGF is one. You have to make sure the igf you get is recombinant DNA synthesized. Its the only way it will do anything in your body. It also isnt cheap. Now im not saying it needs to be $500- thats absurd, but I am saying these guys selling igf for under a hundred/hundred and fifty bucks - there is no freaking way. Thats useless chinese garbage that will do nothing. Wouldnt be surprised if some of it even had lyoplilized insulin at a very low dose to make you think its doing something.
Is real igf worth it- I dont know I havent done it, but if I did I know enough to steer clear of cheap igf because those do not go together if it is true bioavailable, recombinant dna synthesised igf.

[animal87]

Regardless if its hard to find real stuff, I think its really just a add-on any way. Good gh will put your igf levels way high. Thats actually the best way to test for good hgh, but you have to be on a while for it to work and test your igf levels.

[Largerthannormal]

GH serum and IGF will make even more sure, Still so many peptides than can make all those numbers fluctuate

Sux it cant be as easy as simple test all the time. dang money hungry sneaky china men...

[animal87]

Yea man. The gh test is the simplest way but a growth pep can put your levels up. For the igf test you have to be on a month or two before it even test out right. You could go through a kit before you even know what you really have.

[Largerthannormal]

Yup your exactly right! Thats why i do both

[Hatefactory]

There is a lot of useless igf. The thing is some peptides cannot be chemically synthesized and be bioavailable. IGF is one. You have to make sure the igf you get is recombinant DNA synthesized. Its the only way it will do anything in your body. It also isnt cheap. Now im not saying it needs to be $500- thats absurd, but I am saying these guys selling igf for under a hundred/hundred and fifty bucks - there is no freaking way. Thats useless chinese garbage that will do nothing. Wouldnt be surprised if some of it even had lyoplilized insulin at a very low dose to make you think its doing something.
Is real igf worth it- I dont know I havent done it, but if I did I know enough to steer clear of cheap igf because those do not go together if it is true bioavailable, recombinant dna synthesised igf.

This is pretty disheartening lol. I just got some igf and used it preworkout and got a pretty good pump like rich was talkin about. Maybe some peptide sponsors can weigh in on this?

[swolen22]

This is pretty disheartening lol. I just got some igf and used it preworkout and got a pretty good pump like rich was talkin about. Maybe some peptide sponsors can weigh in on this?

This^