Test, Tren, EQ, Mast

[NeverOnce]

Pretend you were trying to bulk and stay pretty lean.
If you were to run test, tren, eq, and mast at the same time What do you feel would be the ideal doses?

[bigt]

Thats what im on exactly. I use 1 ml of each every day, alternating the EQ and test. so every day i fill up a 3 ml syrings of tren mast and either test or eq.

[wook]

Test, Tren and Mast are great strength/cutting drugs but not for bulking... EQ will increase your appetite, but not considered a great bulking drug by itself... For a lean bulk, you might try test, NPP and EQ with a Tbol kick start... That might just do the trick for you...

[NeverOnce]

Test, Tren and Mast are great strength/cutting drugs but not for bulking... EQ will increase your appetite, but not considered a great bulking drug by itself... For a lean bulk, you might try test, NPP and EQ with a Tbol kick start... That might just do the trick for you...

Solid suggestion but I've got my mind made up on the compounds. A little unconventional I understand but I can bulk on it. I'

[NeverOnce]

Thats what im on exactly. I use 1 ml of each every day, alternating the EQ and test. so every day i fill up a 3 ml syrings of tren mast and either test or eq.

So what does that come out to in mg for each? No way of me knowing.

[bigt]

Well thats 100mg a day of tren ace, 100mg a day of mast and 150mg of eq or 100mg test prop. So altogether
700Mg a week tren
700Mg a week mast
Around 450 eq
Around 400 test prop. Im not big into high test doses all it does it bloat you and make you look like shit

[bigt]

Id throw tbol in it like wook said but id def keep the tren not npp

[FrankTheTank]

Watch the blood pressure with the tren and EQ together. I thought I was gonna have a stroke last time i ran them together.

[NeverOnce]

I dont like T-bol but it gives me sick back pumps even when I take like 6000mg taurine. Still have some laying around because it actually pulls me out of the gym early with the pumps and hurts my training.

[bigt]

I dont like T-bol but it gives me sick back pumps even when I take like 6000mg taurine. Still have some laying around because it actually pulls me out of the gym early with the pumps and hurts my training.
I pmed you

[NeverOnce]

Yeah bp is a little high. I'm taking about 7 mg Cialis.
To me more clear im actually in my 4th week and about to add mast. Thinking about playing with the dosages a bit and just seeing peoples thoughts on it.

[FrankTheTank]

I think when I ran the same thing it was

500mg Test
600mg Eq
400mg Tren
400mg Mast

It was a while ago so I'm not 100% sure. The Test might have been 750mgs.

[NeverOnce]

I dont like T-bol but it gives me sick back pumps even when I take like 6000mg taurine. Still have some laying around because it actually pulls me out of the gym early with the pumps and hurts my training.
edit *I do like t-bol but....

[NeverOnce]

How were are your guys results at those dosages? anything you'd do differently?

[animal87]

Just imo. I did this on this go around. I added the mast. and tren the last few weeks, you will get alot less sides that way and the tren will over shadow Eq so much it wont matter a whole lot that your even takeing it.

started with 600 test, 500EQ gradully worked up to 900test, 700 EQ. 6 weeks from end dropped EQ and added 600 mast. 450 tren.

[bigt]

How were are your guys results at those dosages? anything you'd do differently?
Good results on a bulk for me. Heres me today3706

[animal87]

but i used it for cut/recomp. would be hard to gain much pure mass on that.

[wook]

Good results on a bulk for me. Heres me today3706

That's awesome... I use the same exact cycle every summer, but definitely not for a bulk... I maintain most of my gains but shed fat from my winter bulk... This summer I ran 750 test p, 750 Mast p 600 Tren A plus 100 mgs Var/day... Added in EQ about 5 weeks into cycle and then after 10 weeks stopped the tren and mast and continued with EQ adding in 500 Deca and 500 Primo and some dbol which I'm just finishing up now at the end of this month... Goes to show how different drugs react to different folks... Nice work though!

[toppjimie]

Good results on a bulk for me. Heres me today3706
Sure are getting results.looking massive brother

[bigt]

Sure are getting results.looking massive brother
Thank u bro

[NeverOnce]

but i used it for cut/recomp. would be hard to gain much pure mass on that.

I respectively disagree. I feel It's calorie dependent and you can do anything with test and tren. I'm gaining clean weight fairly quickly. about 2 lbs a week so far.

[NeverOnce]

Good results on a bulk for me. Heres me today3706

You look mean. I'm guessing that right hand has punched a lot of faces. lol.

[NeverOnce]

Just imo. I did this on this go around. I added the mast. and tren the last few weeks, you will get alot less sides that way and the tren will over shadow Eq so much it wont matter a whole lot that your even takeing it.

started with 600 test, 500EQ gradully worked up to 900test, 700 EQ. 6 weeks from end dropped EQ and added 600 mast. 450 tren.

I think you've made a good point about The EQ.
Did you feel that upping the test had any impact on tren sides? I'm hearing everything from 250-1000 on my test dosage.

Here's where im at and what im thinking about doing.

Almost identical to what frank was doing.
500mg test
600mg eq
50mg/ed tren


And thinking Monday going to
Test? maybe keeping it at 500 possibly upping it to around 700.
Tren 75/ed and 200/week Prop/enan So 725mg a week. Huge jump but with almost all comimg from ace I can quickly drop it if I need to .
EQ 1200
Mast 400

I want to get everything out of this cycle as I can without getting crazy sides.

[Dbolish]

currently running just eq/tren while i cut. after im mid to high singles ill up the tren a little and maybe add in some npp. so far im loving eq/tren

[NeverOnce]

Sounds really good. Tren and EQ are amazing. I dont see the need for npp Unless you're running it super low for joint support. Watch you prolactin sides if you run them both high.
I assume you're running Test also? A hrt dose test would be really solid here. Good luck with your cut bro

[Dbolish]

no test. if i use npp itll be for fullness but i dont think im gonna bother. Tren eq shouldnt keep me dry and lean whilst i slowly grow over summer

[kubes]

no test. if i use npp itll be for fullness but i dont think im gonna bother. Tren eq shouldnt keep me dry and lean whilst i slowly grow over summer

No test?

[Dbolish]

No test?


been experimenting with it for the last 2 months. test gives me more sides than anything. feel great off it

[kubes]

been experimenting with it for the last 2 months. test gives me more sides than anything. feel great off it

You will end up with low testosterone symptoms if you do not at least run a replacement dose of test. 100-150 mg each week would be enough

[Dbolish]

as long as im aromatizing compounds ill be fine

[kubes]

as long as im aromatizing compounds ill be fine

Good luck buddy but respectfully I disagree. Testosterone is what makes us me and without it you will have higher circulating estrogen then testosterone and all the sides that come with that

[Rooroo]

been experimenting with it for the last 2 months. test gives me more sides than anything. feel great off it

Has it been a full two months bro ? You've got me holding my breath waiting for u to crash.
How's the libido and more importantly how is your mood? Any nipple soreness ?

If you don't mind could u keep us informed and lay out everything you are taking. I think what your doing is very interesting and I'm just super curious to how this plays out.
Best of luck :)

[NeverOnce]

I'll have to agree with the guys here that you need testosterone one way or another. Tren is going to crash you hard. The EQ is not a substitute for testosterone. I suggest you reconsider and run test at an hrt dose. Done correctly it wont provoke any extra Side effects.

I some how get the feeling you're not running an AI either. You could be playing with fire here.

Just take what we've got to say into consideration.

If you've got any questions there are a lot of knowligible guys here willing to help.

[studmuffin]

Kubes knows a hell of a lot,I listen and do everything he tells me.

[Dbolish]

lol im not the first person to run no test. i feel fine. currently running 1g eq, 600mg tren-e. no ai. nips feel fine, mood is great, sex drive is the same. I have prop on hand in case things go sour.

[kubes]

lol im not the first person to run no test. i feel fine. currently running 1g eq, 600mg tren-e. no ai. nips feel fine, mood is great, sex drive is the same. I have prop on hand in case things go sour.

How long have you been running this?

[animal87]

I would like to know how it works out or even before and after pics if you are comfortable with that. Back in the day no one ran test and I always wondered how that worked for them

[Dbolish]

was running npp/eq for about 3-4 weeks, then switched to eq/tren for another 3-4. I appreciate the concern guys i really do, but honestly i think i will be fine

[kubes]

was running npp/eq for about 3-4 weeks, then switched to eq/tren for another 3-4. I appreciate the concern guys i really do, but honestly i think i will be fine

So you are 8'ish weeks in to this no test cycle?

[NeverOnce]

I some how get the feeling you're not running an AI either.


lol im not the first person to run no test. i feel fine. currently running 1g eq, 600mg tren-e. no ai. nips feel fine, mood is great, sex drive is the same. I have prop on hand in case things go sour.



Called it!
The best part of this so far is I've developed physic abilities. It's got to be the Tren. lol.

[Dbolish]

So you are 8'ish weeks in to this no test cycle?

its not a cycle, its a blast.

also theres no need to run an AI, dude to eq not aromatising much an AI now would crush my e2....

[08gsxr]

8 weeks in a blast? But it's not a cycle? How long are you going to run it?

[Dbolish]

as long as i feel comfortable and bloodwork is fine? im going to back out of this thread now, i can see i shouldnt have brought it up as most boards have a very close minded view on test is king etc

[08gsxr]

as long as i feel comfortable and bloodwork is fine? im going to back out of this thread now, i can see i shouldnt have brought it up as most boards have a very close minded view on test is king etc

No need to back out bro. I'm just curious. I like learning new stuff. We all do. No criticism or anything coming from me. I just have never known a blast to be that long. Everyone is different. Whatever works works :)

[animal87]

No I understand why you want to. They are just trying to look out for you.

I hold water so easy I think I'm going to try a low test cycle next year.

[Dick]

as long as i feel comfortable and bloodwork is fine? im going to back out of this thread now, i can see i shouldnt have brought it up as most boards have a very close minded view on test is king etc

I am interested in this as well bro, no need to back out of the thread. It's just unusual to see is all. I would love to hear about gains, bloodwork ect. Keep us updated I find this very interesting.

[Dbolish]

i run my blasts based on bloodwork, if my lipids and liver/kidney are in check, i continue on and when things get out of whack i cruise. As for low test, ive been doing that for a good 6 months, i eventually got down to 125mg EW. At this point i thought why not try no test and see if there's a difference and so far their hasn't been. Im certainly not advising people do this, but i know my body well and i wanted to experiment. Trust me when i say this isnt a yolo type thng i just rushed into.

edit: since there seems to be some serious interest, i will keep an update of things once i actually start bulking. Ill be cutting for a few more weeks then reversing into a surplus. Im interested to see what kind of lbm gains i can get without test in my system

[08gsxr]

Yeah I'd love to see the results and blood work post if you get them done. Any idea of what your creatinine level is? When I run tren mine gets all out of whack lol

[animal87]

Arnold and Franco used to use dbol for a base instead of test with their primo. Thats what this brings to mind for me.

[NeverOnce]

People that run successful cycles without test run different compounds. Just seems crazy that you're already on hrt and you'd come off of test to blast. I've never hear of such a thing.

Anyway. It's nothing more than an opinion based of a limited understanding of how things work.

Sounds like you know enough to make your own decisions and are very deliberate in your actions. We'd still like to hear about your results once your blast has concluded.

[Dbolish]

im not on hrt, i just simply blast and cruise which might answer that question

[NeverOnce]

Primo is the exception as I understand it.

[kubes]

its not a cycle, its a blast.

also theres no need to run an AI, dude to eq not aromatising much an AI now would crush my e2....

You certainly should not need an ai without test in the mix. Keeping a serm handy might be a good idea just in case you need it. I will be following along as well

[Dbolish]

i will say i feel like im leaning out slightly faster without test, could be placebo tho