Test/NPP or Test/ Deca???

[cowboy up]

Ok brothers looking for some input...

Thinking on running short ester Test P/ NPP/ Oral??? for an 8-10 weeker. Haven't run NPP before but have run deca so wondering on thoughts of NPP over deca and if oral kickstart is really needed with it being the short ester.

Cycle layout for TestP/ NPP would be-

1-8 150mg Test P EOD
1-8 100 mg NPP EOD
1-4 Oral (Have ran Dbol, Drol, Anavar prior)
.5 Adex twice a week
Caber if needed

Currently cruising at 200mg a wk Test C and will go back once blast is over until next blast. Looking for a leaner bulk with less bloat than what last test/deca/dbol cycle gave. Gained good size and strength but looking for more solid gains. How's dosage look? Changes? Have also thought of test/tren a cycle but may wait for the summer for that one.

[Dick]

If you are only doing 8-10 weeks run NPP , if you plan on cycling longer like 16 weeks run Deca.

Everyone is different though so you should really do what you and your body wants you to do brother. If I was doing a short cycle it would be short esters. Long cycle I would use long esters maybe with a short ester bump.

[kubes]

I wouldnt bother with the oral since you are already running short esters

[cowboy up]

If you are only doing 8-10 weeks run NPP , if you plan on cycling longer like 16 weeks run Deca.

Everyone is different though so you should really do what you and your body wants you to do brother. If I was doing a short cycle it would be short esters. Long cycle I would use long esters maybe with a short ester bump.

Last few cycles have been long esters which = long times in between cycles so thinking short esters this go around then 8-10 weeks cruising and then run Summer cut. Thoughts on dosages?

[Dick]

You know what you have ran previously bro , test the waters and run what you think is best for you. Personally I would keep the test above the NPP like you already have it. That's a nice quick cycle ... Run it!

I would also toss the Dbol in week 1 - 4 for sure ... why not? Get that bloat on !

[cowboy up]

You know what you have ran previously bro , test the waters and run what you think is best for you. Personally I would keep the test above the NPP like you already have it. That's a nice quick cycle ... Run it!

I would also toss the Dbol in week 1 - 4 for sure ... why not? Get that bloat on !

LOL!!! Thanks brother! F'n hate the bloat but might throw it in or look for some tbol...

[Dick]

I love the bloat lol !!

[kubes]

LOL!!! Thanks brother! F'n hate the bloat but might throw it in or look for some tbol...

As long as you are eating clean and managing your estrogen you shouldn't get much bloat.

[bdad]

Ok brothers looking for some input...

Thinking on running short ester Test P/ NPP/ Oral??? for an 8-10 weeker. Haven't run NPP before but have run deca so wondering on thoughts of NPP over deca and if oral kickstart is really needed with it being the short ester.

Cycle layout for TestP/ NPP would be-

1-8 150mg Test P EOD
1-8 100 mg NPP EOD
1-4 Oral (Have ran Dbol, Drol, Anavar prior)
.5 Adex twice a week
Caber if needed

Currently cruising at 200mg a wk Test C and will go back once blast is over until next blast. Looking for a leaner bulk with less bloat than what last test/deca/dbol cycle gave. Gained good size and strength but looking for more solid gains. How's dosage look? Changes? Have also thought of test/tren a cycle but may wait for the summer for that one.

I have been thinking of running something similiar. I was planning on keeping my two compounds closely dosed ( 150 test/150npp..I love a full barrell) to try to eliminate as much water as possible, and beings its a shorter ester ajustments to dosage could be made on the fly. If your set on test p throughout the cycle I would definately chose npp, a similiar ester. Deca is one of my staples, last cycle I kick started my deca with npp and the results I recieved were impressive, this has sparked my interest ina short ester cycle. I was also planning on var at the end of the cycle. Let us know what you decide on.

[cowboy up]

I have been thinking of running something similiar. I was planning on keeping my two compounds closely dosed ( 150 test/150npp..I love a full barrell) to try to eliminate as much water as possible, and beings its a shorter ester ajustments to dosage could be made on the fly. If your set on test p throughout the cycle I would definately chose npp, a similiar ester. Deca is one of my staples, last cycle I kick started my deca with npp and the results I recieved were impressive, this has sparked my interest ina short ester cycle. I was also planning on var at the end of the cycle. Let us know what you decide on.

LOL- Problem with full barrels is it limits your injection sites. Shouldn't test be ran higher than NPP? I've also thought about running the var at the end as I did that with my last test/deca cycle and it worked great. Probably could do that with a test/npp cycle and forget about the oral kick start in the beginning with it being the short esters.

[bdad]

LOL- Problem with full barrels is it limits your injection sites. Shouldn't test be ran higher than NPP? I've also thought about running the var at the end as I did that with my last test/deca cycle and it worked great. Probably could do that with a test/npp cycle and forget about the oral kick start in the beginning with it being the short esters.

I've alway ran test as the highest compound in cycles. I have been reading where some report tren like results on npp. I wanted to try and let the npp shine and run same as test. If problems ( limp dick) is encountered I could drop npp and due to the short ester would be back to sporting wood in no time. Again this would be a test on my part.

[chrisotpherm]

I just finished a test and npp run. Ran the test at 900mg and npp at 400mg. Didn't have any sexual decrease sides. I absolutely love npp as it helps with gains and like deca helps with soreness in joints.

[deathstar]

Npp for the win

[cowboy up]

Test/NPP it is then!

[noarch]

Test/NPP it is then!

That's my next one too I think. How are you dosing it...per your original post??

[Memphis]

Not trying to steal the thread but I want to run similar cycle but I was gonna run sustanon and deca but do you guys think that the npp would be better with sust? Also why wouldn't you guys throw in an oral, just cuz it's a short cycle?

[noarch]

Not trying to steal the thread but I want to run similar cycle but I was gonna run sustanon and deca but do you guys think that the npp would be better with sust? Also why wouldn't you guys throw in an oral, just cuz it's a short cycle?

I was thinking sust and NPP for 12 weeks with anavar or tbol for the last 4 weeks or so. Maybe switch from sust to prop at the end too. Have never tried deca, but have heard that it's hard to recover from if you're over 40 (which I am) and I haven't heard the same thing about NPP, even tho it's the same active ingredient.

[bdad]

Not trying to steal the thread but I want to run similar cycle but I was gonna run sustanon and deca but do you guys think that the npp would be better with sust? Also why wouldn't you guys throw in an oral, just cuz it's a short cycle?


I like to either run long or short esters. I also like to kickstart my long with short esters. If I was running sust, I would go with deca.

[preacher]

I was thinking sust and NPP for 12 weeks with anavar or tbol for the last 4 weeks or so. Maybe switch from sust to prop at the end too. Have never tried deca, but have heard that it's hard to recover from if you're over 40 (which I am) and I haven't heard the same thing about NPP, even tho it's the same active ingredient.
I'm 43 and ran deca /test e 16 wk cycles with 4 wk dbol kickstart for a few years now with no issues and recover well..was advised to try cutting the deca off at week 12 and finish last 4 weeks with npp to ensure the longer ester doesn't linger into the pct or cruise too long,whichever i chose to do..no experience with this just advised too..

[Memphis]

I was thinking sust and NPP for 12 weeks with anavar or tbol for the last 4 weeks or so. Maybe switch from sust to prop at the end too. Have never tried deca, but have heard that it's hard to recover from if you're over 40 (which I am) and I haven't heard the same thing about NPP, even tho it's the same active ingredient.

I like that idea noarch but maybe switch to 10 weeks so I can still running a good cut cycle for summer. I could run deca since I'm only 31 but I'm just not a fan of all the bloat. Why switch to prop towards the end?

[Dick]

Not trying to steal the thread but I want to run similar cycle but I was gonna run sustanon and deca but do you guys think that the npp would be better with sust? Also why wouldn't you guys throw in an oral, just cuz it's a short cycle?

I love Sust and Deca bro it's my go to cycle for sure. Toss in some Dbol and boom you have a great cycle ;)

[noarch]

I like that idea noarch but maybe switch to 10 weeks so I can still running a good cut cycle for summer. I could run deca since I'm only 31 but I'm just not a fan of all the bloat. Why switch to prop towards the end?

Shorter ester so you can start PCT sooner and clear it all out faster.

[Memphis]

Shorter ester so you can start PCT sooner and clear it all out faster.
Ok makes sense I forgot about the longer esters in the sust. This will be my first time running sust and npp together so I'm thinking I might do a log on this cycle.

[noarch]

Ok makes sense I forgot about the longer esters in the sust. This will be my first time running sust and npp together so I'm thinking I might do a log on this cycle.

My first time too....so I'm just spitballing here. Subscribed to this thread since it seems like there are several of us out there thinking along the same lines.

[cowboy up]

Decided to go Test P and NPP for somewhere between 8-10 weeks with no oral. Going short ester this time so I can get in a Summer cut cycle. Last run was Test/ Deca/Dbol and even with cruising afterwards Deca still can be a bitch. After cycle will go back to cruise and then probably going to hit test p/tren a/var cycle for Summer.

Current cycle is going to look like this-

1-10 Test P 4 days per week @ 150 mgs per day= 600 per wk
1-10 NPP 4 days per week @ 100 mgs per day= 400 per wk (Might adjust this some throughout the cycle)
Adex- .5 twice a week
Caber- .5 twice a week

No PCT as after cycle I'll go back to cruising on Cyp for 10 weeks or so. Might adjust that dosage though as I've been running 200mg a week for 13 weeks now and haven't felt as bad as normal PCT but did have some shitty weeks. Might up that to 250 or 300 a week.

[cowboy up]

Shorter ester so you can start PCT sooner and clear it all out faster.

If you run deca you're going to want to run it longer than 10 weeks and will want to run your test 2 weeks longer. 12-14 weeks on deca is usual sweet spot.

[cowboy up]

Not trying to steal the thread but I want to run similar cycle but I was gonna run sustanon and deca but do you guys think that the npp would be better with sust? Also why wouldn't you guys throw in an oral, just cuz it's a short cycle?

As Kubes said, with short esters really no reason for the oral kickstart as the gear gets working sooner than long esters such as Test E, Cyp, etc. No need to put more stress on your liver than you have to...

[Gearguy92]

Test prop 700wk, npp 525wk, mast prop 350wk, each inj ed or eod.. Add the mast and up the test for serious gains, for my cycles I make sure I have everything covered, test as a base, 19 nor like npp as a good anabolic, and mast as a dht and good androgen, mast will enhance your gains and keep your libidos up if npp would cause an issue, you'll have all 3 types of steroids in your body, your gains will be clean no bloat keep diet in check. Aromasin 12.5 ed, nolva 10mg eod, try it it out! Also have caber/prami on hand

[kubes]

Test prop 700wk, npp 525wk, mast prop 350wk, each inj ed or eod.. Add the mast and up the test for serious gains, for my cycles I make sure I have everything covered, test as a base, 19 nor like npp as a good anabolic, and mast as a dht and good androgen, mast will enhance your gains and keep your libidos up if npp would cause an issue, you'll have all 3 types of steroids in your body, your gains will be clean no bloat keep diet in check. Aromasin 12.5 ed, nolva 10mg eod, try it it out! Also have caber/prami on hand

Nice cycle

[Gearguy92]

Yep it's a nice one! I'm currently on 800 sustanon wk, 400 tren e wk, 350npp wk, 50mg test suspension ed and 50mg proviron ed and I'm eating my head off and weight staying same but body comp is changing like crazy!!!! It's awesome

[kubes]

Yep it's a nice one! I'm currently on 800 sustanon wk, 400 tren e wk, 350npp wk, 50mg test suspension ed and 50mg proviron ed and I'm eating my head off and weight staying same but body comp is changing like crazy!!!! It's awesome

That's a heavy cycle what are you running for an ai and how much?

[Gearguy92]

I enjoy the heavy ones :) 25mg aromasin a day, currently no sides besides trensomnia, and mild agression but that's all nothing too much, in 4 weeks I'm dropping npp upping tren e to 600 and then adding 50-100mg anadrol, currently at 5'7 215 pretty hard n dense but some fat over the stomach, plan on coming out a lot leaner, I'm strong as hell on this, the bench is probably pushin 405 for a few again can't wait for chest day!.. Oh also t3 20mcg and cjc dac 3mg wk

[kubes]

That's perfect aromasin is my ai of choice. Are you splitting the dose 12.5 mg am and 12.5 mg pm?

[Gearguy92]

Nope! I tried many different ways to dose it, I know it has 12 hour half life in men but found no difference personally I like doing it at 5pm pre workout.. As estrogen is naturally higher at this time plus aromasin has some androgen activity and can give you a lil boost pre workout! I know lots of people who like it this way! , pre workout test suspension, aromasin, some Cialis, and a lil ephedra and BAM!

[aussie12345]

hmm might be running npp soon! Its hard to justify the price a little similar with test prop vs test e... like you pay similar price for 100mg prop vs 250mg test e same with deca n npp

[707boy]

I did 100test p and 100npp eod with 40mg tbol ed after 2 week I got to lazy and dropped the tbol keep forgetting to take it lol but, fuck loved loved the cycle ran it for 6 weeks I had some caber on hand but never got any sides my sex drive was actually threw the roof

[Discobiky]

Doing similar test ,deca ,mast, tbol in a month or so.......cant wait will be the first time running deca and mast.