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Elvia1023
01-19-2015, 01:16 AM
Pramipexole

Pramipexole is a dopamine agonist of the non-ergoline class. Dopamine agonists act directly on dopamine receptors and mimic the endogenous neurotransmitter. It has selective affinity for dopamine receptors of the D2 subfamily, in particular D3. Traditionally it has been used to treat early stage Parkinson's disease and restless legs syndrome. More recently prami has been used for cluster headaches and to counteract problems with sexual dysfunction experienced by some users of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) antidepressants. Moreover pramipexole can be extremely beneficial for the natural or enhanced bodybuilder. These benefits include it's effects on prolactin, gh and anxiety to name a few.

Pramipexoles effects on dopamine are especially important to the bodybuilder. Dopamine controls physiologic responses, movement and emotional response. Good motor control and mood are critical to becoming a successful bodybuilder. Moreover dopamine also stimulates growth hormone levels as seen in trials by the Human Pharmacology Centre in Germany.

Schilling JC et al. (1992) has demonstrated similar results when testing it's effects and tolerability on prolactin, human growth hormone, thyrotropin, cortisol, and corticotropin levels in a randomized, double-blind, crossover study in 12 healthy volunteers. Single oral doses of 0.1, 0.2, and 0.3 mg pramipexole and placebo were studied over a period of 24 hours. Pramipexole decreased serum prolactin levels in a dose-dependent manner, with a maximum effect after 2 to 4 hours. Serum levels of human growth hormone were dose-dependently increased; however, this effect was only significant 2 hours after drug administration. Furthermore, a slight increase in serum cortisol levels and a slight decrease in serum thyrotropin levels was observed.

During any research negative side effects or health issues should be a priority. Patterson TA et al. (2010) investigated the toxicity of prami by administering it orally to juvenile rhesus monkeys once daily for 30 weeks. Rhesus monkeys were orally treated daily for 30 weeks with 0.0, 0.1, 0.5 or 2.0 mg/kg PPX, and subjects were assessed daily using the NCTR Operant Test Battery (OTB). Blood pressure significantly decreased over time in all groups including control. Near the end of treatment, there were statistically significant decreases in heart rate for the 0.5 and 2.0 mg/kg/day groups compared to control. After 4 weeks of dosing, serum prolactin was significantly decreased in all treatment groups compared to control. This decrease remained at the end of treatment in the 0.5 and 2.0 mg/kg/day groups. Pramipexole's effective lowering of prolactin is the main reason I will be using it when I start my Hexarelin research. Hexarelin can raise prolactin so by adding even a small dose of pramipexole this increase can be neutralized.

Many people report severe sickness when using pramipexole. It is a very strong drug and should be treated with care. Most people start far too high in dose and as a result discontinue usage. I recommend anyone wanting to try it to start at 0.05mg for a few days and move up to 0.1mg when ready. I don't feel anyone needs more than 0.2-0.3mg per day. If used correctly it can be a fantastic compliment to any peptide cycle. Moreover it can also be utilized to great effect when certain aas are being used.

Anxiety and it's related effects can have a debilitating impact on it's sufferers. Many compounds bodybuilders take can act as a catalyst for anxiety. I know many bodybuilders who suffer from mild to crippling anxiety when using the likes of trenbolone or boldenone. I feel pramipexole's effects on dopamine can have a substantial positive effect on general anxiety. Dopamine can induce fascinating, complex human behavioural states, including disinhibition, euphoria, whereas dopamine deficiency can cause anxiety or sadness.

There are many forms of treatment for general anxiety, most commonly a selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs). Hood SD et al. (2008) looked into prami's effects on anxiety in conjunction with an SSRI. Twenty subjects were administered a single dose of 1) a dopamine agonist (pramipexole 0.5 mg) and 2) a dopamine antagonist (sulpiride 400 mg), followed by anxiogenic challenges (verbal tasks and autobiographical scripts) over a period of 1 week. Untreated SAnD subjects experienced significant increases in anxiety symptoms following behavioural challenges after either sulpiride or pramipexole. Following remission with SSRIs, anxiety levels were significantly attenuated under pramipexole, whereas under sulpiride effects remained significantly elevated.

The National Academy of Sciences conducted an experiment using pramipexole to identify D3-mediated regional cerebral blood flow (rCBF) responses in living primates. At clinically relevant doses, pramipexole produced statistically robust decreases in rCBF in bilateral orbitofrontal cortex, thalamus, operculum, posterior and anterior (subgenual) cingulate cortex, and insula (in decreasing order of significance). Cortical areas related to movement were relatively unaffected, and rCBF did not change in cerebellum or visual cortex. A D2-preferring agonist studied under the same conditions produced a quantitatively different pattern of responses. They concluded that a dopamine D3 receptor agonist (pramipexole) preferentially affects brain activity in prefrontal and limbic cortex. So we know prami has a direct effect on blood flow in the brain and in the areas that are connected to a primates mental state.

I have been so interested in prami's effects especially for anxiety I set up my own research to measure it's effectiveness. I first added it in during an aas cycle were I was experiencing social anxiety due to trenbolone (tren a). I started at just under 0.1mg per day and assessed my tolerance. I noted my sleep was effected if administered pre bed. This is mainly due to it's fast effects on dopamine levels post injection. I moved my injection back to 3 hours pre bed and was fine. Pramipexole's effects were noticed quickly due to it's prominent effects on dopamine. My general mood increased including sociability and my anxiety lowered. I later increased my dose to 0.2mg daily and this resulted in all the positive effects being increased to an even greater degree. As studies suggest much higher doses can be taken but my study was conducted to determine what dose could bring about the positive effects without causing noticeable negatives ones. Obviously the higher the dose the more likely negative side effects will result. It is a very safe drug to take especially if you dose extremely low. I have conducted many similar experiments on myself and found the same results every time. I now use pramipexole throughout the year for short periods when prolactin or increased anxiety need to be controlled.

Pramipexole is not metabolised by oxidative pathways and does do not lead to the cytotoxic free radical formation that may be associated with metabolism of dopamine. By suppressing endogenous dopamine release it is also conceivable that they may protect dopaminergic neurons from injury. Furthermore, A Antonini (2011) indicates pramipexole does not carry the risk to induce valvular heart disease or pulmonary and retroperitoneal fibrosis, seen with long-term use of the ergot-derived dopamine agonists.

As you have seen Pramipexole is a very interesting drug and I look forward to seeing more research conducted with it. New evidence from Sziklai et el. (2011) also suggests it is an effective agent against subjective tinnitus associated with presbycusis at a dose schedule used for the treatment of Parkinson's disease. This is the second reason I will be taking it soon as I have suffered from tinnitus recently.

Pramipexole can also shorten the refractory period between male orgasms. It's strong effects on dopaminergic transmission will also increase sexual pleasure and Performance. It is a sexual stimulant in many ways. In addition a very interesting side effect noted when using very high doses is it's possible effects on peoples range of sexual behavior. Munhoz RP et al. (2009) highlighted hypersexuality and paraphilias are complications not uncommonly found in patients with PD under dopaminergic treatment. One 67 year old man who historically was a very shy and conservative person, started to present increased frequency of sexual intercourse with his wife, during which he began speaking obscenities with an extreme preference for anal intercourse, preferences never requested before. After pramipexole was withdrawn, complete remission was observed with return to his usual sexual behaviour.

References

1. Schilling JC1, Adamus WS, Palluk R (1992) Neuroendocrine and side effect profile of pramipexole, a new dopamine receptor agonist, in humans. Neuroendocrine and side effect profile o... [Clin Pharmacol Ther. 1992] - PubMed - NCBI
2. Patterson TA1, Li M, Hotchkiss CE, Mauz A, Eddie M, Greischel A, Stierstorfer B, Deschl U, Paule MG (2010) Toxicity assessment of pramipexole in juvenile rhesus monkeys. Toxicity assessment of pramipexole in juvenile rh... [Toxicology. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI
3. Hood SD1, Potokar JP, Davies SJ, Hince DA, Morris K, Seddon KM, Nutt DJ, Argyropoulos SV (2008) Dopaminergic challenges in social anxiety disorder: evidence for dopamine D3 desensitisation following successful treatment with serotonergic antidepressants. Dopaminergic challenges in social anxiety ... [J Psychopharmacol. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI
4. Black KJ1, Hershey T, Koller JM, Videen TO, Mintun MA, Price JL, Perlmutter JS (2002) A possible substrate for dopamine-related changes in mood and behavior: prefrontal and limbic effects of a D3-preferring dopamine agonist. A possible substrate for dopamine-r... [Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2002] - PubMed - NCBI
5. Sziklai I1, Szilvássy J, Szilvássy Z (2011) Tinnitus control by dopamine agonist pramipexole in presbycusis patients: a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind study. Home - PubMed - NCBI)
6. Munhoz RP1, Fabiani G, Becker N, Teive HA (2009) Increased frequency and range of sexual behavior in a patient with Parkinson's disease after use of pramipexole: a case report. Home - PubMed - NCBI

Elvia1023
01-26-2015, 01:46 AM
I am using caber right now but I have to say prami feels much better for me. But it has to be treated with extra care as if you dose prami too high it can be bad. I moved up too high with this caber at first and felt sick for hours but prami can do worse. Although it can also give you the most incredible feeling ever. I miss prami pre bed especially with some gh peptides.

Elvia1023
02-19-2015, 03:44 AM
I know hand numbing shouldn't be an indication of effectiveness (pretty stupid). But at the same time whenever I use a great gh booster (10IU rips, 1000mcg Ipam, 200mcg Hexarelin, 5mg cjc-dac, 25mg mk-677, 200mcg ghrp-2 etc) I wake up and my hands are very numb. The higher the dose the more numb they become.

The other night I had to go to the hospital with my dad so I stayed over in my parents. Couldn't sleep and went to bed very late and got up at 7am. As I knew I would be sleeping very little I dosed 0.1mg prami. In my 2 hours of sleep I felt like I had been dreaming for about 10. Woke up feeling good and my hands were worst than 10IU of the best generic hgh. Literally couldn't move them for 5 mins. Such a tiny dose too. This drug has such a strong effect on me it's ridiculous.

Anyone trying it for the first time please use with caution... start very low in dose (0.1mg max imo).

badgalaxie
06-05-2015, 04:01 PM
Ok this my first Time using this. I have it in hand and it's a liquid so is it injected? Or taken orally? I need to start on this so all feed back is needed thanks.

badgalaxie
06-05-2015, 11:17 PM
Got my answers thanks guys

Elvia1023
06-06-2015, 12:05 AM
Got my answers thanks guys

So you know to take it orally. Please start at the lowest possible dose and move up as slowly as possible. Prami is so strong and even if you dose it a tiny bit over you could be sick all day. Nearly everyone doses it too high to begin with. When dosed correctly it can be amazing.

badgalaxie
06-06-2015, 11:28 AM
I did dose very small and will do that for a few days then move up a little. Yes I did a lot of research. Thanks. All went well last night

Elvia1023
06-09-2015, 12:26 AM
I did dose very small and will do that for a few days then move up a little. Yes I did a lot of research. Thanks. All went well last night

Great to hear. Keep me updated with how you get on with it.

badgalaxie
06-09-2015, 09:05 PM
So far so good. Except not sure if my terrible sleep is from it or not but no sides. Tonight I'll dose a little higher

badgalaxie
06-11-2015, 02:47 PM
Up to o.15 and feeling good ,tonight I'll take it to 0.2 I read not to go over 0.5 Would any one agree on that?

enrod
06-11-2015, 04:33 PM
So far so good. Except not sure if my terrible sleep is from it or not but no sides. Tonight I'll dose a little higher

Prami and bromo both negatively affected my sleep.


Up to o.15 and feeling good ,tonight I'll take it to 0.2 I read not to go over 0.5 Would any one agree on that?

The less prami dose the better imo, don't need a high dose of it to have profound effects.

badgalaxie
06-11-2015, 05:05 PM
What would you recommend to stick with?

Elvia1023
06-11-2015, 06:05 PM
Up to o.15 and feeling good ,tonight I'll take it to 0.2 I read not to go over 0.5 Would any one agree on that?

Enrod is spot on. You don't need a lot of prami for it to be effective. It's mental though as some Parkinson's sufferers are put on 5mg and over. I have heard of a few bodybuilders using that amount and loving the results. PLEASE DO NOT EVER USE THAT AMOUNT. Everyone is different but I would say 0.5mg is more than enough. 70% of my prami doses over the years have been 0.1mg to give you an indication. The most I usually go to is 0.2mg and that is plenty for me. I usually get to 0.2mg after 1 months use too.

It's the prami effecting your sleep. It's the surge in dopamine and sometimes it can be horrific for sleep. Some nights I have used too much and have been in bed for maybe 9 hours and slept 3 at most. Although it's worth noting GH peaks about 2 hours post dosing. I would always use it a few hours pre bed or literally just before you fall a sleep. Be careful moving up in dose. I think 0.2mg would be plenty for you but just see how you respond over time (don't move up too fast). You want to be on each dose about 1 week before upping again.

badgalaxie
06-12-2015, 02:56 PM
Last night I was at 0.2 took that about 6pm then went to the gym. Slept very well. I've had no sides at all. I'll stick with 0.2 every day. Seems to be working good it's been since last Saturday when i started. Really can't tell anything except my mood has been really good. And I seem pretty calm.

Elvia1023
06-13-2015, 02:23 AM
Last night I was at 0.2 took that about 6pm then went to the gym. Slept very well. I've had no sides at all. I'll stick with 0.2 every day. Seems to be working good it's been since last Saturday when i started. Really can't tell anything except my mood has been really good. And I seem pretty calm.

Good stuff. Over time you should notice some sexual benefits at that dose too.

badgalaxie
06-13-2015, 12:48 PM
How long does that take. Hopefully soon. Did the same dose last night all is good. All of the horror stories I read they must have been drinking the bottle.

HimRoid
06-13-2015, 11:40 PM
How long does that take. Hopefully soon. Did the same dose last night all is good. All of the horror stories I read they must have been drinking the bottle.
Elvia posted a study where a senior citizen was given pramipexole and he kept telling his 70 year old wife he wanted to put it in her ass! Hahahahaha :D

badgalaxie
06-14-2015, 11:49 PM
Hopefully it hits fast. I'm at 0.25 going to go to 0.3. I'm having no sides.

Elvia1023
06-16-2015, 02:31 AM
Elvia posted a study where a senior citizen was given pramipexole and he kept telling his 70 year old wife he wanted to put it in her ass! Hahahahaha :D

Yes it is listed above in the article :D That's the thing it can have a pronounced effect on behavior when doses get very high. Dopamine is the pleasure hormone in many ways. It mediates pleasure in the brain and is fundamental in our pleasure seeking. This is why I always recommend to guys who made have an compulsive behavior to be extra careful with it. A good example would be ex gamblers as high dopamine levels could increase the chances of them seeking a buzz. The same goes for sexual behavior too and as demonstrated in the study it powerful enough to change someone's desires etc. The doses we take there shouldn't be any issue but always monitor yourself. I have noticed when I dosed higher I was ordering more supplements from the net as I love trying new ones out. I would constantly want a new one so it can have quirky sides.


Hopefully it hits fast. I'm at 0.25 going to go to 0.3. I'm having no sides.

Good stuff. Just keep it up as you seem to be going well and can tolerate it. Over time your dopamine will increase and your prolactin should lower. This is when the sexual benefits will start being noticed. Although tadalafil would help too :D

badgalaxie
06-16-2015, 02:42 PM
Thanks guys. It going really well