test to deca ratio

[fairdinkydi]

About to start first test and deca cycle too build muscle and strength whilst helping joints.
I have read many articles on deca and its helpful properties and one that i can now not locate mentioned that if using deca you should not use more then 200mg of test as it will mitigate any joint helping props of deca???
So what is a good ratio of test/deca and will it have adverse affects on its effects?
Need help please brothers

[Tazzzz]

Hey bro, got some info for you. Hope this helps. Short answer is test will NOT work against the Deca--they work together. No worries.

The ideal dose of Deca Durabolin for male athletes is 2mg per pound of body weight or 250–500mg per week for 8-12 weeks. Some athletes and bodybuilders make use of this steroid in low doses at 200mg per week or as high as 400mg per week. The recommended dose of Deca for female athletes is 50-150mg per week for 4-7 weeks. The use of Proviron or Nolvadex at the end or towards the end of a steroid cycle involving Deca as one of the products is highly recommended to prevent estrogenic side effects and restore the natural production of testosterone. This anabolic steroid is generally stacked with testosterone propionate, Anadrol, Dianabol, testosterone cypionate, testosterone suspension, testosterone enanthate, and Sustanon 250. Some athletes add Bromocriptine or Cabergoline to a Deca Durabolin cycle for avoiding a marginal reduction in the level of naturally-producing testosterone.

These are just short examples of possiable cycle combos



Week
Testosterone enanthate
Deca Durabolin
Dianabol
Nolvadex


1
500 mg every week
400 mg every week
40 mg every day



2
500 mg every week
400 mg every week
40 mg every day



3
500 mg every week
400 mg every week
40 mg every day
10 mg every day


4
500 mg every week
400 mg every week
40 mg every day
10 mg every day


5
500 mg every week
400 mg every week

10 mg every day


6
500 mg every week
400 mg every week

10 mg every day


7
500 mg every week


10 mg every day


8



10 mg every day


9



10 mg every day




Week
Trenbolone
Deca Durabolin
Testosterone enanthate


1


250 mg every week


2


250 mg every week


3
150 mg every week

250 mg every week


4
150 mg every week
200 mg every week
250 mg every week


5
150 mg every week
200 mg every week
250 mg every week


6
150 mg every week
200 mg every week
250 mg every week


7
150 mg every week
200 mg every week



8
150 mg every week
200 mg every week



9

200 mg every week



10

200 mg every week

[Dbolish]

theres no ideal ratio. ive done deca solo, deca and test equal and high test low deca, it depends how you react and the look your trying to acheive, as for not using more than 200mg of test because it will stop the joint effects, thats completely false

[fairdinkydi]

This so good info cheers Tazzz
Was thinking test prop 100mg EoD first 2 weeks start off with test e 600mg 12 weeks E3.5 days whilst using 400mg deca a week for 10 weeks? How's that sound?

[fairdinkydi]

theres no ideal ratio. ive done deca solo, deca and test equal and high test low deca, it depends how you react and the look your trying to acheive, as for not using more than 200mg of test because it will stop the joint effects, thats completely false
I hope so has made me re-think cycle... Cheers heaps Dbolish

[Tazzzz]

This so good info cheers Tazzz
Was thinking test prop 100mg EoD first 2 weeks start off with test e 600mg 12 weeks E3.5 days whilst using 400mg deca a week for 10 weeks? How's that sound?

Looks good. Running test 2 weeks longer to jump start PCT is also good coming off Deca.

[Tazzzz]

theres no ideal ratio. ive done deca solo, deca and test equal and high test low deca, it depends how you react and the look your trying to acheive, as for not using more than 200mg of test because it will stop the joint effects, thats completely false

Agree with you D---no ideal ratio. This was a copy/paste article to give a good basic understanding for his question. Appreciate your insight on this.

[preacher]

theres no ideal ratio. ive done deca solo, deca and test equal and high test low deca, it depends how you react and the look your trying to acheive, as for not using more than 200mg of test because it will stop the joint effects, thats completely false

agreed

[Jersey]

Great info. Thanks

[toppjimie]

This so good info cheers Tazzz
Was thinking test prop 100mg EoD first 2 weeks start off with test e 600mg 12 weeks E3.5 days whilst using 400mg deca a week for 10 weeks? How's that sound?

600/400 is a good starting ratio but Remember you want your test dose as the same or Higher than the Deca. Why you ask.,Because deca has some undesirable side effects (deca dick) that the Test will make up for.Good luck with your cycle brother.

[DBert]

Looks good. Running test 2 weeks longer to jump start PCT is also good coming off Deca.

Solid info bro.

[PAiN]

I always run the Test at least 100mg higher than the Deca and when I came off I would run it 2 weeks longer as well for the same reasons stated above the dreaded Deca Dick. If you are prone to it or have had it you will always use Deca with caution afterwards. Just imagine your life without being able to get an erection for 3-6 months.

[laborer5555]

I always run the Test at least 100mg higher than the Deca and when I came off I would run it 2 weeks longer as well for the same reasons stated above the dreaded Deca Dick. If you are prone to it or have had it you will always use Deca with caution afterwards. Just imagine your life without being able to get an erection for 3-6 months.


deca dick = bad situation.

i have for 1 have run deca slightly higher than enanthate before, with some great results. as long as you are reintroducing test into your system at a muscle building ratio, your dick won't go soft simplyby using deca. if run at say for instance deca 600/test 450...you would receive great results with less adverse reactions to testosterone....if prone to bad reactions.

[Mfire]

I usually run deca at 2/3rds my test dose, it works for me, but, may not work for you. We are all different

[fairdinkydi]

The dreaded "deca dick" is scary but I am still concerned about the fact that Test shuts down 50% or more of collagen synthesis then the 150% increase from Deca will be hardly worth the side affects???

[kubes]

The dreaded "deca dick" is scary but I am still concerned about the fact that Test shuts down 50% or more of collagen synthesis then the 150% increase from Deca will be hardly worth the side affects???

I run caber along side my nandralone and never have an issue

[fairdinkydi]

I run caber along side my nandralone and never have an issue
IS that just to prvent prolactin build up?

[kubes]

IS that just to prvent prolactin build up?

Yes

[Dick]

I always run the Test at least 100mg higher than the Deca and when I came off I would run it 2 weeks longer as well for the same reasons stated above the dreaded Deca Dick.

Exactly bro I always run it the same if not a little more Test won't hurt ;)

[Jozifp103]

There is absolutely no reason to have to run test higher than deca. I recently ran 800mg of deca with my trt dose of 200mg cyp and had zero issues. Deca dick is caused by prolactin. Control prolactin and deca dick is no issue regardless of test dose. Simply controlling e2 is enough to keep prolactin down in most cases, if not, caber or prami will take care of it. More test can sometimes make the problem worse. More test=more e2 conversion=increased prolactin secretion.

[fairdinkydi]

There is absolutely no reason to have to run test higher than deca. I recently ran 800mg of deca with my trt dose of 200mg cyp and had zero issues. Deca dick is caused by prolactin. Control prolactin and deca dick is no issue regardless of test dose. Simply controlling e2 is enough to keep prolactin down in most cases, if not, caber or prami will take care of it. More test can sometimes make the problem worse. More test=more e2 conversion=increased prolactin secretion.
Cheers for info and putting it in simple terms also haha
What was your reasoning for having the high deca to low test?

[Jozifp103]

Cheers for info and putting it in simple terms also haha
What was your reasoning for having the high deca to low test?
Re-reading that I realized it may have come off a bit aggressive and argumentative lol. Hopefully my tone didn't get misinterpreted.

My reasoning was that no matter what cycle i'm running, more test always equals more side effects for me, even with proper e2 conversion. I'm very prone to acne and bloating so I thought I'd try a low test bulker. Since deca is more anabolic anyway, I figured I'd run the deca high and use it as the main anabolic while i just run a replacement dose of test. It was honestly a great cycle. Held on to a good 15lbs and kept a flat mid section throughout. No caber or prami was needed, no acne, minimal bloat, sex drive was high, felt great.

[THEPROGRAM]

There is absolutely no reason to have to run test higher than deca. I recently ran 800mg of deca with my trt dose of 200mg cyp and had zero issues. Deca dick is caused by prolactin. Control prolactin and deca dick is no issue regardless of test dose. Simply controlling e2 is enough to keep prolactin down in most cases, if not, caber or prami will take care of it. More test can sometimes make the problem worse. More test=more e2 conversion=increased prolactin secretion.

I know this thread is old. But, I just joined BOP and was having fun reading threads and came across this posting. In my opinion, this statement is spot on. I absolutely love Deca! However, if I run my Test any higher than 250mg/wk (*Especially if we're talking about the 500mg/wk + range)- I can always count on experiencing the common sides that everyone relates to Nandrolone usage. I.E bloat, loss of vascularity and ED issues. That being said, if I run my Test anywhere from 125mg/wk-250mg/wk, I basically have zero sides to report. Except, for muscle and strength gains. My last cycle I ran 125mg/wk of Cyp and 150mg/day of Deca Durabolin. That's 1050mg/wk of Deca! And, I experienced zero sides. I had Aromasin on deck, but never used it. And, I was only using .5mg/day of Prami.

[Mountain-Man]

600/400 is a good starting ratio but Remember you want your test dose as the same or Higher than the Deca. Why you ask.,Because deca has some undesirable side effects (deca dick) that the Test will make up for.Good luck with your cycle brother.
I agree test should always be higher than deca I got deca dick once when I was 26 it was hell on earth