Experiment with site growth using PGE1 & MGF

[Tazzzz]

Started reading a comment by JJB1 in a thread about PGE1 and his personnel experience. I looked at his Avi and asked if that was him. It was and brother has great guns--bi's and tri's. He turned me on to an article by Elvia who did a long experiment with PGE1 and logged a lot of great info. I decided to give it a shot.
Ordered some PGE1 from JJB1 and pinned acording to protocol set up by Elvia--

"Last night I tested it but injecting 0.05ml in each bi-cep. That was done in 1 spot in the middle of my long head (bi-cep peak). I done no exercise and just wanted to see how it felt. What can I say it was a dull pain and constant. My bi-cep felt rock hard and I was constantly aware of it. I could feel it awhile but it wasn't bad and I went to sleep."
"Today I injected 0.05ml (14.3mcg) again in each bi-cep pre training. The pump is ridiculous!! It does hurt but nothing bad. My bi-cep felt weird... literally like it had been pumped up. This stuff is gonna be amazing at stretching the muscle fascia so I have high hopes. My bi-ceps are hard anyway but they were like concrete so a good feeling."

I basically did the same protocol and had the very same experience--except I did not start out with rock hard bi's--average bi's at best.
Before injection measurements--left bi--16 1/2" right--17"
After injection measurements---left--17 3/4" right--18"

I took the afters 2 hours after injection and atribute the slightly larger gain in the left to a slightly higher dose in that bi. It is VERY difficult to inject such small amouts accuratelt. Let me explain this better.
The PGE1 is a 1ml bottle. You add 3ml Bac water to the bottle. 1 split pin is only 3 lines on a slin pin---3 SMALL lines below the 10 mark. That dose gets split in half into each bi--1 1/2 lines per bi. Can you see how this is a bit hard to manage? But, I am blown away by the results.
I plan on adding in the MGF in a day or two. My thinking is this---the PGE1 is a vasodialator which basically means the bi is being pumped full of blood and stretching the muscle especially at the fascia. This "damage" will allow for growth or at least increased size from scar tissue. My thinking by adding the MGF is it will cause hyperplasia because that is what MGF dose. So rather than just creating scar tissue size to the muscle, the MGF will add permanant quality muscle tissue. I check with JJB1 and he ddid not know of anyone doing this type of protocol but agreed that it sounded very possiable based on each products qualities.
I will keep posting on this as I progress and welcome all questions. I will answer as best I can and will check with JJB1 & Elvia if I am out of my area of knowledge.
Wish me luck!

[Ironworker1]

Very good experiment brotha... who can I get the pge1 from? and how much does it normally run for? I'm up to trying for myself and would it work for any muscle areas?

[Dont wanna be old]

I'm watching .
Exciting stuff right here .
:)

[Tazzzz]

Very good experiment brotha... who can I get the pge1 from? and how much does it normally run for? I'm up to trying for myself and would it work for any muscle areas?

I went through Johnjuanb1 from Superior on our Sponsor forum. I think it was about $40. for 1000mcg. When you do the calcultions, if your only pinning your bi's, that will last you 2 months! Very good for the price.
MGF is about $28. for 2mg. MGF is 200mcg split bi-lateral in the bi's so 1 bottle should be about 10 days. I watch for the BOGO & 1/2 price sales---makes it very easy to do.

[Tazzzz]

I'm watching .
Exciting stuff right here .
:)

Got to be honest--I was very surprised to see the increase even though JJB1 & Elvia both spoke to it. It is powerful stuff and you do have to be careful dosing. My goal is the long term growth and maintaining good mature muscle. That will take some time but I'm in for the long haul.
I'll keep posting on this.

[Johnjuanb1]

I'm loving this experiment!
I still have my vial of pge1 in my refrigerator but haven't had the balls to try it yet. Haha :D
Are you lifting as heavy as you normally would, or more moderate weight with slow controlled reps for safety reasons?
I wouldn't want to tear the biceps so I would keep form very slow on the positive and negative part of each rep and squeeze the piss out of it at the top. I doubt I would go for a full stretch at the bottom out of fear.
Maybe you'll get your bis up to 20". I think slow and steady with long duration of this cycle can produce some remarkable gains. And if you're bored, put a little in your pecker for the your lady. Hahaha :D

[Dont wanna be old]

I was researching and found they also pin pre-bed and get great results .
Same dose as pre-workout . That's the PGE-1
Not sure on MGF as I'm only going to try 1 peptide at a time .

[kubes]

I will be following this too

[Tazzzz]

I'm loving this experiment!
I still have my vial of pge1 in my refrigerator but haven't had the balls to try it yet. Haha :D
Are you lifting as heavy as you normally would, or more moderate weight with slow controlled reps for safety reasons?
I wouldn't want to tear the biceps so I would keep form very slow on the positive and negative part of each rep and squeeze the piss out of it at the top. I doubt I would go for a full stretch at the bottom out of fear.
Maybe you'll get your bis up to 20". I think slow and steady with long duration of this cycle can produce some remarkable gains. And if you're bored, put a little in your pecker for the your lady. Hahaha :D

I won't get that bored!! LOL
I'm lifting about 90% and doing less weight higher reps on the arms. I can DEFF feel the pump in the bi's and can tell that if I push it too hard I will deff do damage. Gotta be smart with this stuff. I'm doing what Pain posted once--listening to my body. You know your body and you know whenyour at the limit of safe so yeah, thats what I'm doing.
20" arms is my BHAG--Big Hairy Audatious Goal. Its a corp term for setting crazy goals but approaching them with everything you have in the hopes you will achieve them. Without radical goals you will always be stuck in "average" or below average---totally not acceptable. 3" is a lot to shoot for in 1 year but I have the frame and potential so Fuck Yah, lets do this!
Thanks again JJB1 and I will keep posting on this.

[Tazzzz]

I was researching and found they also pin pre-bed and get great results .
Same dose as pre-workout . That's the PGE-1
Not sure on MGF as I'm only going to try 1 peptide at a time .

I do the PGE-1 in the evening so I'm not at max pump when I hit the gym in the morning. The MGF I pin right after the gym. I got reg MGF so the life in system is onlt about 7-10 minutes so it has to be right after "damage" is done or the body starts healing itself and blocks the MGF. The PEG-MGF might be a better bet next time but its more expensive.

[Clark Kent]

Im subscribed! Thanks for posting this! any shot at before and after pics?

[Tazzzz]

Im subscribed! Thanks for posting this! any shot at before and after pics?

Yes sir! I'll wait till the end of the week---hopefully an even more dramatic change. Will be starting the MGF this week too.

[Elvia1023]

Sorry I haven't been on here recently. I just replied to your pm. I will be following :)

Sounds like you are doing great. If anyone has any questions regarding PGE-1 I will try my best to answer them. I have used it in multiple body parts pre training. I still don't fully understand PGE-1 scientifically but have a decent amount of personal experience using it. I am actually going to restart it 2moro :)

[PAiN]

I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS ONE.

Thanks Taz, JJ, and Elvia.

[Elvia1023]

Tazzzz it looks like you respond to this stuff like me. After pinning this all over my body it's ridiculous to think guys pin this in their cocks! In fact 99% of the info on this online is all down below so it's good to see more experiments like this. Guys (JJ :D) kept asking me to try it down there but I haven't. I know many who have though and they report of rock solid erections that don't go down for hours.

Arms are a lot easier than other body parts. Although I have done a few shots that did ache badly but it soon fades away. The worst is legs... I have tried calves and quads. I could barely walk a few times and was in agony and I only used 5-10mcg in 2 to 3 spots on my quads. Calves I have done quite a few times and it feels mental... the pump is ridiculous. I have also tried chest, delts and lats. One thing this is amazing for is mind muscle connection. I have always struggled with my lats in that regard but when using this my workouts were incredible. When you put it in a body part you are constantly aware of that body part... feels like it has been inflated.

If guys use this start very low and build up in dose. From my experimenting I think multiple smaller doses are better than one big dose in any given body part. I like to really understand everything I use but this is still a bit of a mystery to me. All I mean is I know many things it does through personal experience but unsure of the science behind it. A prime example is this stuff definitely increases strength in the injected body part (if used frequently in the same body part). I had a few guys pm me about this before I had even mentioned it in my log. I noticed the strength myself but figured it may have been something else but nearly everyone I know has said the same.

I don't think this would be as effective as something like syntherol for size gains simply due to the volume of injections. If you are putting 2ml-10ml of oil regularly in a body part it's common sense to me that will yield more size. The injection volume is so small for this but you won't believe the feel until you try it for yourself. It literally feels like the muscle is inflating. This is why I would recommend this to competitors wanting more muscle fullness come show day. Once I get back into things fully I will run a few experiments on myself and let you guys know how they go.

[Tazzzz]

Off to the gym--will be starting to add MGF today.

[benoit23]

So this stuff is kinda like nolotil or no?

[Buckshot713]

this is going to be good Tazz. thanks for doing this

[Tazzzz]

So this stuff is kinda like nolotil or no?

I never used nolotil and not sure of it's properties.
PGE-1 is a vasodialator. It was literally the first Viagra shot right into your jimmy. What has been found through experiment by Elvia and Johnjuanb1 is it causes the muscle to "balloon" by dilating the blood vessles in the muscle its injected in. There is also an anabolic effect as well. They have found that the muscle strength has gone up along with muscle size.
I am looking for all this but am also adding MGF to aquire the hyperplasia effect it creates. By "stretching" the bi's with PGE-1 you are essentially causing "damage" which attracts the MGF and additional cell growth should take place. This would enhance muscle size as well as strength---in theory. This is the basis for my experiment/addition of the MGF with the PGE-1.
I hope that answers you and not cause confusion.

[benoit23]

I never used nolotil and not sure of it's properties.
PGE-1 is a vasodialator. It was literally the first Viagra shot right into your jimmy. What has been found through experiment by Elvia and Johnjuanb1 is it causes the muscle to "balloon" by dilating the blood vessles in the muscle its injected in. There is also an anabolic effect as well. They have found that the muscle strength has gone up along with muscle size.
I am looking for all this but am also adding MGF to aquire the hyperplasia effect it creates. By "stretching" the bi's with PGE-1 you are essentially causing "damage" which attracts the MGF and additional cell growth should take place. This would enhance muscle size as well as strength---in theory. This is the basis for my experiment/addition of the MGF with the PGE-1.
I hope that answers you and not cause confusion.

Sounds pretty solid bro! I'll be following.

Nolotil is used by bb'ears precontest to swell lagging body parts (or enhance good ones) ... It last 3-4 days and can even grow some arms up to 2 inches I've heard. It is what is used by surgeons and stuff to swell areas being operated on to make them more accessible. It was the replacement for some "E" word that was REALLY popular in the 90s and pretty much made bodybuilding. That stuff is no longer around tho.

When I saw your description it sounded similar! Sounds better tho if it actually has anabolic properties. If not anything at least it would stretch the fascia and allow for more blood in the muscle.

[Elvia1023]

Tazzzz how are you getting on with this experiment?

[bigtruckguy]

deff wouldn't mind givin this a try... my chest is the last thing on me to grow.. everything blows up on me except for my chest so I wouldn't mind trying it for shits and giggles

[Tazzzz]

Tazzzz how are you getting on with this experiment?

I'll be posting tonight with pics Elvia. In short, great! It will be a long run process like HGH or IGF but I can already see/feel the benefits.

[Ironworker1]

Day 2 on pinning the bi's with pge1 and after this mornings bi's workout they feel pumped bigtime!!! Before starting the pge1 my arms measured at L-18 3/4 R-18 1/4..
Hopefully i'm able to put on a couple more inches or more......

[Tazzzz]

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I just tried to post this and lost the whole thing!
OK, things are going better than I could hope for. I started pinning at night just to see how this felt and how I would respond. Everything went great. Next I pinned 1 hour before my workout. I did a light chest workout the first time with no problems & I did feel a bit more pump in the bi's. Next I pinned befor ethe gym on a bi day. WOW! I haven't felt pumps like this ever! I did low weight high reps and payed attention to how my arms felt. You could deff hurt yourself if you pushed too hard and thats not what we are trying to do.
My before measurements have gone up about 1/4" per arm which is great since this has only been going on for about 2 weeks. My after numbers are about 1/2" more per arm.
Two things are deff noticable--there is deff a greater fullness to my arms--thicker. And, for the first time ever, the inside and top of my bi's are getting vascular! Before workouts you can still see a roadmap just under the skin. After a good arm workout some are starting to pop which is very cool!
Almost forgot, I am pinniing the MGF right after the workout. Bot the MGF and the PEG-1 are a long term commitment--nothing is going to happen and stay in such a short time. Its encouraging to see the changes taking place but this is a long term commitment and I am a LONG way from the 20" guns I am looking for. But thats not a problem--just keep working through the pain!
I'll keep posting on this and hopefully by the end of 2015 it will be 20" or better!

[Tazzzz]

FYI--the black shirt pics are befores & the others are after.

[Ironworker1]

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I just tried to post this and lost the whole thing!
OK, things are going better than I could hope for. I started pinning at night just to see how this felt and how I would respond. Everything went great. Next I pinned 1 hour before my workout. I did a light chest workout the first time with no problems & I did feel a bit more pump in the bi's. Next I pinned befor ethe gym on a bi day. WOW! I haven't felt pumps like this ever! I did low weight high reps and payed attention to how my arms felt. You could deff hurt yourself if you pushed too hard and thats not what we are trying to do.
My before measurements have gone up about 1/4" per arm which is great since this has only been going on for about 2 weeks. My after numbers are about 1/2" more per arm.
Two things are deff noticable--there is deff a greater fullness to my arms--thicker. And, for the first time ever, the inside and top of my bi's are getting vascular! Before workouts you can still see a roadmap just under the skin. After a good arm workout some are starting to pop which is very cool!
Almost forgot, I am pinniing the MGF right after the workout. Bot the MGF and the PEG-1 are a long term commitment--nothing is going to happen and stay in such a short time. Its encouraging to see the changes taking place but this is a long term commitment and I am a LONG way from the 20" guns I am looking for. But thats not a problem--just keep working through the pain!
I'll keep posting on this and hopefully by the end of 2015 it will be 20" or better!

I'm with you brother, everything is a journey we are willing to take with the pain and agony at times... I'M IN!!!!!!
The pge1 really seems to do what it's suppose to my arms are still pumped from this mornings workout... I was really paying close attention on not lifting too heavy, but when you're accustom to, what can you do rite?
This is a journey here brother that I intend on seeing it through all the way.... I'll start with the bi's and tri's and then go from there...
Thanx Tazzzz, your postings got me motivated to give this a whirl...

[Tazzzz]

I'm with you brother, everything is a journey we are willing to take with the pain and agony at times... I'M IN!!!!!!
The pge1 really seems to do what it's suppose to my arms are still pumped from this mornings workout... I was really paying close attention on not lifting too heavy, but when you're accustom to, what can you do rite?
This is a journey here brother that I intend on seeing it through all the way.... I'll start with the bi's and tri's and then go from there...
Thanx Tazzzz, your postings got me motivated to give this a whirl...

Thanks Ironworker---this is awsome! Post some pics when you get a chance, would love to see your progress & it may motivate others!

[Elvia1023]

It sounds like you are both doing great. I like your mindset Tazzzz. Lots of guys think they will get 2 inches in 2 weeks and then they can stop and will have 20 inch arms forever! I forgot to mention the increased vascularity... something I definitely noticed. Do your arms feel stronger (even with the lighter weight rep ranges) or has strength stayed the same?

[Tazzzz]

It sounds like you are both doing great. I like your mindset Tazzzz. Lots of guys think they will get 2 inches in 2 weeks and then they can stop and will have 20 inch arms forever! I forgot to mention the increased vascularity... something I definitely noticed. Do your arms feel stronger (even with the lighter weight rep ranges) or has strength stayed the same?

I would say slightly stronger but deff more endurance and a quicker recoup. The vascularity is really nice and I look forward to seeing the cables start to "pop". Love that high sub-q vascularity and this is deff speeding up that process.
Mature muscle dosen't just happen so yeah, the size will come with time and the lasting "mature" muscle will take even longer. I am going to get some Test base and pin 1/2ml ea bi @ 100mg/ml. Because its a no ester test, it will start to be active immediately and along with everything else, expedite the growth of mature hard muscle. When you and JJB1 are pinning AAS in the bi's, do you pin in the center of the head or do you move the pins around?

[bazinga1991]

After reading your fascia article, I came straight here. After reading that you're injecting it into your biceps, I became more intrigued. I'm always trying to grow my biceps. Last time I measured my bi, it was around 17. So I'm understanding how PGE1 works but how do you inject it. Do you pin yourself at the peak of your bi? I usually workout at night so would I pin myself in the morning?

[Elvia1023]

I would say slightly stronger but deff more endurance and a quicker recoup. The vascularity is really nice and I look forward to seeing the cables start to "pop". Love that high sub-q vascularity and this is deff speeding up that process.
Mature muscle dosen't just happen so yeah, the size will come with time and the lasting "mature" muscle will take even longer. I am going to get some Test base and pin 1/2ml ea bi @ 100mg/ml. Because its a no ester test, it will start to be active immediately and along with everything else, expedite the growth of mature hard muscle. When you and JJB1 are pinning AAS in the bi's, do you pin in the center of the head or do you move the pins around?

I know JJ pins all heads of the bi-ceps and tri-ceps. I do too but tend to just stick to the long head of the bi-cep... basically at the peak of the bi-cep. However when using AAS that can cause more issues (pip etc) I like to rotate around the muscle. I will say sometimes when I have injected close to the elbow (bi-cep) I have encounted some issues (aas only). JJ pins his arms all the time and fairly big volume shots too and never seems to have an issue (he isn't human :D).


After reading your fascia article, I came straight here. After reading that you're injecting it into your biceps, I became more intrigued. I'm always trying to grow my biceps. Last time I measured my bi, it was around 17. So I'm understanding how PGE1 works but how do you inject it. Do you pin yourself at the peak of your bi? I usually workout at night so would I pin myself in the morning?

For starters go with the bi-cep peak right in the middle. Use a slin pin (29G and 1/2 inch long) and pin about 15 mins before the gym. Start the dose low and gradually build up if needed. Let us know how you get on.

[bazinga1991]

I know JJ pins all heads of the bi-ceps and tri-ceps. I do too but tend to just stick to the long head of the bi-cep... basically at the peak of the bi-cep. However when using AAS that can cause more issues (pip etc) I like to rotate around the muscle. I will say sometimes when I have injected close to the elbow (bi-cep) I have encounted some issues (aas only). JJ pins his arms all the time and fairly big volume shots too and never seems to have an issue (he isn't human :D).



For starters go with the bi-cep peak right in the middle. Use a slin pin (29G and 1/2 inch long) and pin about 15 mins before the gym. Start the dose low and gradually build up if needed. Let us know how you get on.
Thanks brother. I'm gonna give it a try

[Tazzzz]

Went to my chiropractor today--I go about once a month but its been 7 weeks--and the first words when he walked into the room and saw me on the table was "WOW"! I shit you not. This guy is a friend and has known me for 14yrs so he sees me all the time and he saw a radical change in my arms after only a few weeks on PGE-1. We got to talking about what I'm doing specifically about the PGE-1 and how it stretches the fascial. He understood totally as he works fascia stretching for mobility in his patients but deff understood the principal of "ballooning" the fascia to allow more room for muscle growth. Bottom line was he was very impressed with the amount of change in suh a short time.
I didn't do measurements today--busy--but the biggest difference is the bi's are "fuller"--a little more rounded & thick. I don't think the overall size of my arms has gone up very much but the composition and definition & vascularity if obviously noticable. Just ask my doc.
I'm still pinning once a day but am pinning both heads of the bi at the peaks. I have also started pinning the tris--not regularly--but about 3 times a week. I am going to try and pin both bi heads and 2 pins in the tris this week each day and see how that goes. I have taken to pinning 1/2--1hr befor the gym and am very happy with the results. YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL!! working the muscles you pin that soon gives a great pump BUT you have to pay attention to how the muscle feels and not tear a muscle or tendon. If you try any of this--TAKE IT SLOW--and feel what I am talking about BEFORE you do some damage.
ELVIA & JJB1--THANK YOU both for being the original lab rats with this process and for helping to guide me into the safe use of PGE-1. If you don't know these guys they are the peptide Gurus from Superior and the go to guys for tough Pep questions.
I'll keep posting on this.

[Johnjuanb1]

That's very cool that it's making you grow so fast. This sounds like a superior peptide for site growth over Igf-1. I still have my vial of pge-1 in my refrigerator waiting to be researched. :)

[bazinga1991]

Tazzzz your giving me a huge smile on my face. I've always wanted to get my bicep size bigger and sounds like this is the way

[Tazzzz]

That's very cool that it's making you grow so fast. This sounds like a superior peptide for site growth over Igf-1. I still have my vial of pge-1 in my refrigerator waiting to be researched. :)

I forgot to mention I am also still doing the MGF. I have no tbeen consistant with it because of my gym/work schedule but I believe it is also working into the equation.
I don't want to overstate or understate what gains are taking place. For me to have my doc take that kind of notice was a big marker of progress for me.

[Johnjuanb1]

I forgot to mention I am also still doing the MGF. I have no tbeen consistant with it because of my gym/work schedule but I believe it is also working into the equation.
I don't want to overstate or understate what gains are taking place. For me to have my doc take that kind of notice was a big marker of progress for me.
How long are you planning to run pge1?

[Tazzzz]

How long are you planning to run pge1?
Good question. I wasn't sure how long you & Elvia did this or cycled it. I also need more PGE & that also comes into play. What would you suggest?
I am also going to add IGF-1 DES into the mix. (YEAH, I'm all in on this!) Same thing, site pinning the Bi's. What are your thoughts?

[Johnjuanb1]

Good question. I wasn't sure how long you & Elvia did this or cycled it. I also need more PGE & that also comes into play. What would you suggest?
I am also going to add IGF-1 DES into the mix. (YEAH, I'm all in on this!) Same thing, site pinning the Bi's. What are your thoughts?
This is all ground breaking research. Elvia is the first guy I know to try pge1 in the bis on forums. My friend's coach said DJ was site injecting a ton of tiny injects all over Big Ramy's body the day of the show which gave me the idea that it was pge1. Then I asked Elvia to be the Guinney pig and he went for it with great success. I'm not sure how long it should be run. Elvia posted literature showing many health benefits to pge1. The way I understand it, the body releases prostaglandins during times of trauma for muscle injury repair. It is a growth factor just as des and mfg so I would imagine stacking them would be synergistic but most likely unnecessary since pge1 is such a dramatic site enhancer on it's own.

[Tazzzz]

So running it for an extended period should not be a problem as the PGE-1 has a relative short life and the additional benefits are posative not negative as far as we know at this time. OK, I guess I will continue on this run and as lomg as I don't see/feel and neg sides I will monitor the growth and keep posting. Its all good!