Kratom - The Miracle Leaf

[Johnjuanb1]

Let talk about the benefits of kratom.

PAIN KILLING:
I've been using kratom for a little over 6 months now.
I have chronic knee pain due to a rare injury where my quadricep tendon was severed directly off my patella. This type of quad tear only constitutes 1% of quad tears. I also have a detached ACL, and multiple meniscus tears. Kratom is a miracle leaf in that it kills pain more effectively than ******** but is no more addictive than caffeine.
If used responsibly, meaning a few days a week, there is no down side to kratom.
ENERGY:
Kratom is unique in that when used in low doses it gives one loads of sustained energy. My favorite kratom strain for energy is MAENG DA. A little Maeng Da upon waking and I'm energized all day making my work day incredibly productive! A little Maeng Da mixed with some Red Thai or Bali preworkout and I'm energized and pain free.
Kratom is the best preworkout I've ever used!!!
ANXIETY:
I was diagnosed with social anxiety disorder. I have always suffered with anxiety which has made it difficult for me to feel comfortable in social settings.
Kratom completely removes anxiety all together. Within the first few days of using kratom at the gym I met several incredibly hot women, 2 of them models. I would have never had the confidence to do this before kratom, it blows my mind how much kratom has improved the quality of my life.
DIETING:
Kratom has made my precontest diet the easiest of my bodybuilding career. I started my dieting just before learning about kratom. It makes it so much easier. I'm always in a great mood, and I don't get the cravings I used to get precontest. My body fat is down to 5% and I feel amazing!


KRATOM's BENEFITS:


Pain relief (analgesic)
Reduced anxiety
Increased metabolism
Increased sexual performance and desire
Calming of opiate withdrawal
Control of blood sugar levels
Lowered blood pressure
Anti-oxidant cell protection
Anti-viral protection
Anti-bacterial protection
Overall immunity boost

Kratom contains over 20 times the number of antioxidants of green tea.
Long term kratom users often boast that they haven't had a cold/ flu in years.
The health and longevity benefits of kratom are numerous!!!.

[studmuffin]

I totally agree with everything you have said Johnjuanb1. I love it and not sure how often I should take the Maeng Dae. I have been using it as pre workout at 2 days on it and 1 day off. But I have read on about 5 websites about side effects and they all say to use it only 1 time a week. Is this being a little to conservative? I am guessing that it effects people differently, but I do get a tolerance pretty fast. I read a review that you can use 1 strain on 1 day and use another strain the next from getting a tolerance. I am going to get the red vein and see how it goes alternating days. Anyways I love the Maeng Dae!

[Loose Cannon]

I totally agree with everything you have said Johnjuanb1. I love it and not sure how often I should take the Maeng Dae. I have been using it as pre workout at 2 days on it and 1 day off. But I have read on about 5 websites about side effects and they all say to use it only 1 time a week. Is this being a little to conservative? I am guessing that it effects people differently, but I do get a tolerance pretty fast. I read a review that you can use 1 strain on 1 day and use another strain the next from getting a tolerance. I am going to get the red vein and see how it goes alternating days. Anyways I love the Maeng Dae!

i totally agree with all the pros about kratom. but studmuffin, what down sides have you read? i couldnt find very much. im not trying to totally turn this thread the other way but....i take kratom almost everyday. what were some of the negatives you found?

[Johnjuanb1]

I totally agree with everything you have said Johnjuanb1. I love it and not sure how often I should take the Maeng Dae. I have been using it as pre workout at 2 days on it and 1 day off. But I have read on about 5 websites about side effects and they all say to use it only 1 time a week. Is this being a little to conservative? I am guessing that it effects people differently, but I do get a tolerance pretty fast. I read a review that you can use 1 strain on 1 day and use another strain the next from getting a tolerance. I am going to get the red vein and see how it goes alternating days. Anyways I love the Maeng Dae!
Alternating strains does help keep from building a tolerance. I have my aunt using kratom 3 times a week with no tolerance build up. I put her on ZEN which is a blend of 6 strains. She only uses it preworkout and loves the energy and happy feeling she has all day.
Red Vein Thai will kill pain extremely well and is quite euphoric, but taken alone preworkout will make you tired. I stacked Maeng Da with red Thai and also added green Malaysian this morning.
Tbe more energizing strains are Maeng Da, white vein, and green Malaysian. The relaxing strains are red Vein Thai, super Indo, Bali, enhanced Bali. I particularly like ZEN because it has everything in it which is a real nice feeling while hitting legs or a tough muscle at the gym. Horned Maeng Da is another great preworkout. It energizes you and kills pain.

[Johnjuanb1]

i totally agree with all the pros about kratom. but studmuffin, what down sides have you read? i couldnt find very much. im not trying to totally turn this thread the other way but....i take kratom almost everyday. what were some of the negatives you found?
I take it everyday twice a day. The down side is mild withdrawals similar to coffee is you stop use after a few months. But there are other herbs you can take while on a break from kratom that reduces opiate like withdrawals and simaltaneously energize you like ashwagandha, bacopa, and rhodiola rosea. I know using kratom a few days a week will lead to no sides but I love what kratom has done for my life so I'm happy using kratom everyday, and accept if I need a break I may feel groggy and cranky for a few days.

[studmuffin]

I just googled kratom side effects! Thanks for clearing that up for me I am not going to so conservative now. I am new in this kratom world so just looking for legit answers. Thanks Brothers!

[Johnjuanb1]

Kratom Energy...
The reason kratom gives energy is because it has alkyloids in it that are adrenergic.


Adrenergic means "working on adrenaline (epinephrine) or noradrenaline ( norepinephrine)".
The following kratom alkyloid, Mitragynine, makes up roughly 66% of the alkyloid content in kratom and it is adrenergic.

[studmuffin]

So maeng dae along with white vein is probably the best energizing kratom. I am trying to get the best preworkout that is the best energizing. I am on horned maeng dae right now and from what I have read the white vein seems to be a little better than the green Malaysian. I do not need a relaxing kratom because I take medications that take care of my sleeping.

[Johnjuanb1]

So maeng dae along with white vein is probably the best energizing kratom. I am trying to get the best preworkout that is the best energizing. I am on horned maeng dae right now and from what I have read the white vein seems to be a little better than the green Malaysian. I do not need a relaxing kratom because I take medications that take care of my sleeping.
I love horned Maeng Da preworkout for both energy and pain relief. White vein is essentially a weaker version of Maeng Da but it's a good strain to mix in.

Kratom contains two alkyloids that are vasodialators, Mitraphylline and Rhynchophylline, which explains why you get a great pump when using kratom preworkout.

[studmuffin]

Thanks Brother, you have a lot of knowledge about kratom and peptides. I am studying peptides for future purposes and you will be my go to sponsor.

[MR14]

I love Kratom, if it only it was legal in Aus!

P.S I think I tried Bali extract, was on the higher side of dosing. Strong stuff

[Johnjuanb1]

One of the alkyloids in kratom is a calcium channel blocker which is what the doctor prescribed to me for high blood pressure. I was prescribed norvasc. The calcium channel blocker in kratom is Rhynchophylline: Vasodilator, antihypertensive, calcium channel blocker .

[Johnjuanb1]

In my opinion, the best kratom strain for energy is Maeng Da.


The best kratom strain for pain relief is Red Vein Thai.


The best strain for a hardcore leg workout providing both energy and pain relief is Horned Maeng Da.


The best strain for social activities is the ZEN BLEND.


The best strain for evening relaxation is Bali.

[studmuffin]

Thanks for the info, I love the maeng dae and the only other kratom I have tried is the bali and it was relaxing.

[texson]

Been using it daily for a couple of years now. after awhile, it loses its impact. effects are lessened, at least for me.

[Johnjuanb1]

Been using it daily for a couple of years now. after awhile, it loses its impact. effects are lessened, at least for me.
I wonder if a week off would be enough to reset your receptors?

[studmuffin]

I ordered some white vein and will alternate it with my maeng dae and hope that it will help with tolerance issues. I am hooked on kratom maybe if I could find the right terrain I will start a kratom farm.lol

[Johnjuanb1]

I ordered some white vein and will alternate it with my maeng dae and hope that it will help with tolerance issues. I am hooked on kratom maybe if I could find the right terrain I will start a kratom farm.lol
You can buy the kratom trees online at about a foot tall for $60. It's almost impossible to grow from seeds but the little trees are said to grow a foot a month if kept in tropical conditions or a terrarium. They like very humid conditions and some direct sunlight. Florida would be perfect. :)

[studmuffin]

To bad I live in Texas it will be humid one day and dry for a week. There is no way it would grow here, I am just wishful thinking. I keep thinking I need to stock up with all this talk of banning but I am sure if I have it to long it would loose its potency.

[Johnjuanb1]

To bad I live in Texas it will be humid one day and dry for a week. There is no way it would grow here, I am just wishful thinking. I keep thinking I need to stock up with all this talk of banning but I am sure if I have it to long it would loose its potency.
I still have left overs from August that I use occasionally and it feels potent.

[studmuffin]

I am curious as to know specifics about kratom being banned. I mean is it really going to happen?

[texson]

I wonder if a week off would be enough to reset your receptors?

Good question. No doubt time off would reset my tolerance, but it would probably be more like a month. Don't get me wrong - I still enjoy all the benefits, and there are many, its just that it is not as pronounced as it once was, and I miss that. What's more, is that I have never noticed any adverse effects for long term usage.

[studmuffin]

I just ordered some white vein to off set the tolerance that I am getting from maeng dae. I will use the white vein for a couple of days and then use them together a couple of days off 2 days then maeng dae for 2 days. I am hooked on kratom as a pre workout, I really look forward to working out now. I will post how this works, I will not take it on my workout off days.

[bazinga1991]

I just ordered some white vein to off set the tolerance that I am getting from maeng dae. I will use the white vein for a couple of days and then use them together a couple of days off 2 days then maeng dae for 2 days. I am hooked on kratom as a pre workout, I really look forward to working out now. I will post how this works, I will not take it on my workout off days.
I use Maeng Da as a pre workout also. Gives me the best pump and the best thing about it is it doesn't give me fatigue. I only use it twice a week because I don't want my body to have a tolerance to it. I use it on big muscle days such as chest and legs

[Johnjuanb1]

I use Maeng Da as a pre workout also. Gives me the best pump and the best thing about it is it doesn't give me fatigue. I only use it twice a week because I don't want my body to have a tolerance to it. I use it on big muscle days such as chest and legs
That's the vasodilator alkyloids in kratom giving you the great pump. Very similar to taking preworkout cialis.

[Johnjuanb1]

I am curious as to know specifics about kratom being banned. I mean is it really going to happen?
The FDA has already banned the import of kratom into the USA. Every time we place an order from our farmer in Malaysia it gets tied up in customs which is very stressful.
For the FDA to schedule kratom as a schedule 1 narcotic that would mean they would have to believe it has no potential medical benefits, which would be a total farse. I'm hoping the FDA leaves it as it is so drug makers can study the various alkyloids and make new drugs out of them, leavjng kratom legal as a research drug.
I do think conservative states will continue banning kratom one by one.
Since the FDA has banned import into the USA, they essentially have total control which is what they want since it is only grown in Asia and India.

[Freedom]

What about negatives?

I broke out with many small red dots (like zits without whiteheads) on my face. Black rings around my eyes and on my upper cheeks from only a trial run.

[bazinga1991]

What about negatives?

I broke out with many small red dots (like zits without whiteheads) on my face. Black rings around my eyes and on my upper cheeks from only a trial run.
I personally have not had any negatives. One time I did overdose it and threw up after my workout

[Johnjuanb1]

What about negatives?

I broke out with many small red dots (like zits without whiteheads) on my face. Black rings around my eyes and on my upper cheeks from only a trial run.
I've never experienced that. The negatives I notice are since I have used kratom several times a day since last summer I feel lethargic without it. It's has adrenergic alkyloids working off adrenaline and norepinephrine so it's logical my body has become accustomed to having those hormones for energy.

[studmuffin]

Got my white vein today, cannot wait to try it out.

[studmuffin]

Going to take a few days off to keep from getting a tolerance. Have not tried the white vein yet!

[Johnjuanb1]

Going to take a few days off to keep from getting a tolerance. Have not tried the white vein yet!
That sounds like a wise move. :)

[bazinga1991]

Going to take a few days off to keep from getting a tolerance. Have not tried the white vein yet!
I know what you mean. That's why I only take it 3 times a week

[studmuffin]

Coming off the maeng dae is not bad. I just miss the feeling in the gym and when I am not on computer. Been off 2 days and I am fine, like Johnjuanb1 said it is like coming off of coffee. I am not addicted or I would just have to have it and I don't, but it is the best pre workout I have ever used.

[Johnjuanb1]

Coming off the maeng dae is not bad. I just miss the feeling in the gym and when I am not on computer. Been off 2 days and I am fine, like Johnjuanb1 said it is like coming off of coffee. I am not addicted or I would just have to have it and I don't, but it is the best pre workout I have ever used.
You get used to the great workouts and want to keep them coming. :D

[Johnjuanb1]

I always start my day with Maeng Da mixed with a few other strains to compliment the intense motivation and drive Maeng Da gives me. I have found with my life I am a naturally low energy person which makes me negative and lacking in the factors needed to be successful in life on all levels. Since adding kratom to my daily regiment my life has taken off. I am very motivated in general. My income has doubled and keeps growing. Energy and happiness go have in hand for me. The more energy I have, the better I feel, the harder I work, the nicer I am, and the more positive energy I exude.
What you give is what you get in life. If you put out high energy, hard working, motivated, empathy towards others, it comes back around ten fold.

[studmuffin]

I am the same way in the fact that I have low energy and feel lethargic. I have doubled my workout schedules and spend a lot more time on my computer.

[Johnjuanb1]

I am the same way in the fact that I have low energy and feel lethargic. I have doubled my workout schedules and spend a lot more time on my computer.
Exactly. Haha I'm posting a lot when I'm not lifting weights.
Kratom has really helped me become more social. I think the normal me just doesn't have the energy to want to bother talking. On kratom I try to be more outgoing and nice to people around me. It's a real good supplement for helping better the world around you.

[studmuffin]

I LOVE IT! I use it one time a day but tried it twice a few days ago and it felt stronger the second.

[Loose Nut]

This sounds great! I'm going to look into it as I get anxiety and I'm hesitant to go on meds. I bet it's illegal in Australia though right?

[studmuffin]

Not sure about Australia!

[fairdinkydi]

This sounds great! I'm going to look into it as I get anxiety and I'm hesitant to go on meds. I bet it's illegal in Australia though right?
Unfortunatly so loose nut... I did a bit of research and looks pretty darn good too! Thought i might grow my own but it grows 3-15 meters tall haha

[Loose Nut]

Unfortunatly so loose nut... I did a bit of research and looks pretty darn good too! Thought i might grow my own but it grows 3-15 meters tall haha

Damn that sucks :(

[studmuffin]

Sorry to hear that Brother!

[Johnjuanb1]

I'm in Vegas on vacation and Queefer sent me out some ZEN.
Wow!!! This stuff feels so euphoric!!!
I took a tablespoon. I have no idea what dose that is but it sure feels great!
I'm getting ready to go train legs now.

[studmuffin]

I want some!

[Johnjuanb1]

I'm trying different ways to mix kratom strains since I'm on vacation for spring break. Last night I mixed green Malay with red thai and I added a gram of kanna. I was so upbeat and social for 4 hours, then I slept like a baby for 11 hours straight with the best dreams I could ever ask for. Kratom is the perfect supplement for spring break relaxation and fun.

[Johnjuanb1]

I do believe I just found the easiest way to get kratom powder down without noticing the taste. V-8 juice. It totally masks the kratom. I need to pick up some tobacco sauce and make a BLOODY KRATOM MARY

[studmuffin]

Thanks for that info, I still buy the powder and I am sick of the taste and I love v8 juice.

[prince727]

really...this single thing can do all those things...awesome

[Johnjuanb1]

The best energy supplement without increasing blood pressure is Maeng da kratom powder. It actually contains calcium channel blockers and vasodialators that lower blood pressure. It's s very clean energy. Kratom is the perfect supplement if used only a few times a week. Chronic long term use leads to dependence. Use it 3 times a week and it's all benefits. I haven't had a cold since starting kratom last summer. It bolsters immune system like no other.

[HimRoid]

I love kratom instead of morning coffee. Maeng da gets me up and going for hours.

[rustyco]

So where can I get some of this awesome stuff?

[Symbion1]

I'll look for it here in Aus but I'd guess it's banned if it's any good

[Giants83]

So where can I get some of this awesome stuff?

Undergroundsupps.com

[Giants83]

I'll look for it here in Aus but I'd guess it's banned if it's any good

Pretty sure it is banned there. Sucks. We have a couple states that ban it and I don't understand why. Taking money from the pharmaceutical companies I suppose. I haven't taken any pain killers or anti depressants since I started.

[dorianyates]

I always start my day with Maeng Da mixed with a few other strains to compliment the intense motivation and drive Maeng Da gives me. I have found with my life I am a naturally low energy person which makes me negative and lacking in the factors needed to be successful in life on all levels. Since adding kratom to my daily regiment my life has taken off. I am very motivated in general. My income has doubled and keeps growing. Energy and happiness go have in hand for me. The more energy I have, the better I feel, the harder I work, the nicer I am, and the more positive energy I exude.
What you give is what you get in life. If you put out high energy, hard working, motivated, empathy towards others, it comes back around ten fold.
What would be THE Best ones to take in the early morning before work to give me motivation and energy and focus? I have never tried any of these things before.. Kinda sucks if you cant take it daily or at least during the work week because I really need a boost and coffee is not helping anymore

[m.stone]

ok ive read about this stuff before..now wheres the best place to get it?

[Johnjuanb1]

Unfortunatly so loose nut... I did a bit of research and looks pretty darn good too! Thought i might grow my own but it grows 3-15 meters tall haha
Bahaha I wanted to grow a kratom tree in my apartment but that sucker grows one foot per month. Haha :D
Queefer's brother will hook you up at undergroundsupps.com
20% discount code is BERT20

[Johnjuanb1]

What would be THE Best ones to take in the early morning before work to give me motivation and energy and focus? I have never tried any of these things before.. Kinda sucks if you cant take it daily or at least during the work week because I really need a boost and coffee is not helping anymore
Maeng da kratom powder is best for energy and motivation. 2 grams on an empty stomach will keep you energized for 6-8 hours.
I have taken it everyday for year but it's smarter to limit use to eod. There are mild withdrawal symptoms if you use it everyday like I do. Just like it you quit coffee after using it daily long term, maybe a bit worse.

[Johnjuanb1]

ok ive read about this stuff before..now wheres the best place to get it?
Undergroundsupps.com is the best. They get it straight from the kratom farmer in Malaysia. It's very fresh and potent. It's 3 times stronger than anything you'll find in a smoke shop.