new cycle what do you guys think

[jeebise23]

hey guys im 34yrs old 210lbs have been juicing since my early 20s i have put a cycle together and i was wondering what do u guys think about it if i should add things or take away things

weeks 1-12 = 1000mg test-e weekly
weeks1-12 = 100mg ed tren-a
weeks 1-12= 100mg of dbol
weeks 1-12 = every 2 x a week of 500iu of hcg
week 1-12 = 12.5 of aromasin ed
week13-16= 100mg first week of clomid,3weeks of clomid at 50mg
week13-16= 20mg of nolvadex

thanksguys i hope you guys can tune this cycle up or is it fine by it self peace

[bulk_cut]

First thing before I get into the proposed cycle - at 34 years old especially since you've been juicing for over 10yrs, is you NEED to get a blood test BEFORE you do anything and have your hormone levels checked. There's a very good chance you're a candidate for TRT and if you're not now, you DEFINITELY will be in the near future.

Now, onto the critique -

1. 100mg of dbol is to much and taking ANY oral for 12 weeks is just plain stupid - unless you honestly don't care about your liver and you're trying to fuck it up. Stay withing the 4-6 week range with orals.!!!! The only reason to take dbol is because it kicks in within a couple days and you start seeing results quickly. Given that it spikes your estrogen a lot, you don't keep the weight or strength from it, it's pointless, unless you're so insecure you need to see results right away.

2. 700mg/week of Tren-a is a lot and way more than you need. It's A very toxic compound and should be limited to 8-10 weeks for the ccasual user like yourself. 500mg/week is plenty if it's good quality and your DIET is right!! Which is most people's problem. If you're honestly trying to grow and better yourself for yourself and not to brag to your buddies that you're taking so much tren then do it smart and stop thinking you have to run outrageous dosages. Tren is FIVE times as anabolic AND androgenic as testosterone.

3. Speaking of Testosterone - 1000mg/week is just ridiculous. There's absolutely no reason to take that much testosterone. All you need the testosterone for is to keep your body functioning the way it should. You don't need to use any more than a TRT dose of 200mg/week (100mg/E3D with the tren) to do that. Once again, an outrageous dosage with no sound merit or reasoning to use it other than so you can say you're doing it.

4. HCG isn't going to really do anything for you. You can take it if you want buy I'd save the money.

5. If you take my suggestions, you'd definitely need at least 25mg/day of Aromasin (half AM/half/PM) but might need 37.5mg/day if it's real aromasin AND dosed correctly!!!! If it's not you'll need a lot more. If you don't already have it, I'd get it from EGH. His is by far the best I've used from a UGL!!! A lot of people don't realize that besides controlling estrogen Aromasin also frees up bound testosterone making more available for your body to use.

6. I would not use Clomid. Do some more reading/research on it and I'm sure you won't want to use it either. Run the Aromasin throughout the PCT at 25mg/day and use Nolvadex at 40mg day for the first two weeks then 20mg/day for the 3rd and 4th week. Start the PCT two days after your last injection.

*** if it was me I'd run that cycle I just suggested for 8 weeks then I'd drop the Tren and immediately start running NPP at 400mg/week for 8 weeks.

Good luck, and I hope you listen to and take my advice on the dosages and stop thinking you need a ton of gear when DIET is really what controls your gains!!

[Loose Cannon]

thats a fuck ton of juice lol. im running 100 mg of tren ace ed and 30 mg of aromsin wasnt enough for me, had a gyno flare. id consider running 30 mg or running something else. im having to run adex and/or letro on that much tren.

[Dbolish]

First thing before I get into the proposed cycle - at 34 years old especially since you've been juicing for over 10yrs, is you NEED to get a blood test BEFORE you do anything and have your hormone levels checked. There's a very good chance you're a candidate for TRT and if you're not now, you DEFINITELY will be in the near future.

Now, onto the critique -

1. 100mg of dbol is to much and taking ANY oral for 12 weeks is just plain stupid - unless you honestly don't care about your liver and you're trying to fuck it up. Stay withing the 4-6 week range with orals.!!!! The only reason to take dbol is because it kicks in within a couple days and you start seeing results quickly. Given that it spikes your estrogen a lot, you don't keep the weight or strength from it, it's pointless, unless you're so insecure you need to see results right away.

2. 700mg/week of Tren-a is a lot and way more than you need. It's A very toxic compound and should be limited to 8-10 weeks for the ccasual user like yourself. 500mg/week is plenty if it's good quality and your DIET is right!! Which is most people's problem. If you're honestly trying to grow and better yourself for yourself and not to brag to your buddies that you're taking so much tren then do it smart and stop thinking you have to run outrageous dosages. Tren is FIVE times as anabolic AND androgenic as testosterone.

3. Speaking of Testosterone - 1000mg/week is just ridiculous. There's absolutely no reason to take that much testosterone. All you need the testosterone for is to keep your body functioning the way it should. You don't need to use any more than a TRT dose of 200mg/week (100mg/E3D with the tren) to do that. Once again, an outrageous dosage with no sound merit or reasoning to use it other than so you can say you're doing it.

4. HCG isn't going to really do anything for you. You can take it if you want buy I'd save the money.

5. If you take my suggestions, you'd definitely need at least 25mg/day of Aromasin (half AM/half/PM) but might need 37.5mg/day if it's real aromasin AND dosed correctly!!!! If it's not you'll need a lot more. If you don't already have it, I'd get it from EGH. His is by far the best I've used from a UGL!!! A lot of people don't realize that besides controlling estrogen Aromasin also frees up bound testosterone making more available for your body to use.

6. I would not use Clomid. Do some more reading/research on it and I'm sure you won't want to use it either. Run the Aromasin throughout the PCT at 25mg/day and use Nolvadex at 40mg day for the first two weeks then 20mg/day for the 3rd and 4th week. Start the PCT two days after your last injection.

*** if it was me I'd run that cycle I just suggested for 8 weeks then I'd drop the Tren and immediately start running NPP at 400mg/week for 8 weeks.

Good luck, and I hope you listen to and take my advice on the dosages and stop thinking you need a ton of gear when DIET is really what controls your gains!!


ignore most of this fear mongering firstly. now OP give us your height and bodyfat so we can actually be helpful. 210lbs doesnt tell me much , especially if your tall or fat

[enrod]

ignore most of this fear mongering firstly. now OP give us your height and bodyfat so we can actually be helpful. 210lbs doesnt tell me much , especially if your tall or fat

I too disagree with bashing hcg and clomid use. These two are valuable meds for people who cycle.

I find lower test to be better to deal with higher tren - that much tren and I'd be a moody anxious asshole. I do agree that's a lot of dbol, and it gives annoying lower back cramps even at half that dose. But I like it for a preworkout instead of daily use, and you'd be fine doing that for 12 weeks assuming you don't work out every single day.

Loose I think you may have benefited more from taking a caber/prami/bromo for those gyno issues with tren. Tren spikes estrogen levels on a blood test, but it doesn't aromatize. It's the spike in prolactin that can cause you to lactate.

[Th-thanks]

A few thoughts mate - firstly, you're likely going to need more than 12.5mg of aromasin ED, so be sure to have plenty on hand as I'd bet you'll need 25mg ED. You may even want to consider having arimidex and/or letrozole on hand because you've got quite a lot of aromatizing hormones in your list. Also, regarding the tren, you shouldn't need caber/prami/bromo if you keep your estro in check, but that doesn't always go how we'd like, so I think it would be a wise move to have one of those compounds on hand. Otherwise, 20mg of nolva is inadequate. Typical nolva use during PCT is for four weeks at 40/40/20/20. Clomid is typically ran at 100/100/50/50, so it might be best to go with what is tried and true. Lastly, you could benefit from running aromasin at 12.5 or 25mg ED through PCT. It will keep any rebound estrogen in check, as well as raise your testosterone levels.

All the best mate, no doubt you're going to gain a tonne of mass.

[stupes]

100mg of dbol every day for 12 weeks is not good. Do 50mg for 4 weeks on/off/on and take 500mg TUDCA per day while on any orals.

[Mountain-Man]

I like it myself but I do big cycles go for it jut get your bloods done mid cycle check liver and kidney function if u make a journal I'll be reading

[wook]

As you can see, everyone will have an opinion! LOL... My suggestion is keep with the cycle with exception of cutting the DBol to weeks 1-4 then pick it up again maybe maybe 9-12... Get bloods done and run good liver support... I prefer adex over aromosin, but I'd up your aromosin to to at least 25 split in two doses/day... Maybe even higher if need be! Good luck!

[halfApint]

Curios if you have ran a cycle of this nature in the past and what kind of side affects you had. I do not agree with 1-12 100mg of dbol. and yes, that is a shit load of tren.

[Apex Peptides]

Yeah...it's almost like you're mad at your liver. lol! I personally think that's too much D-bol. Also, the other doses are up there. Hopefully, you know to properly manage your e2 and PRL levels. It seems side effect threshold changes considerably when doses are run at that magnitude. I'm a low dose/low side effect kinda guy. All of the advice so far has been good. However, I feel that HCG should be run on every cycle. Perhaps take a bit of consideration from the posts and go from there. You should make a log! I'll be following!


Good luck bro

[halfApint]

34 @ 210 ... Height? Bodyfat, Goals? before you answer those 3 questions I cannot really give solid advice.
I will say this though, that is a mighty cycle there sir.

Without knowing that info... For me personally, I think thats a lot of gear. Let us know how tall you are, your BF, and your goals first.

Modified: IN MY OPINION -
weeks 1-12 = 750mg test-e weekly
weeks1-11 = 75mg ed tren-a
weeks 1-6= 100mg of dbol
weeks 9-12= 50mg dbol OR not at all
weeks 1-12 = 250iu HCG 2x week, so 500iu weekly OR 500iu E5D
week 1-12 = 12.5 of aromasin ed / split 6.25am 6.25pm

PCT: start 10 days after last Test-E shot
week1-4= 100mg first week of clomid, 3weeks of clomid at 50mg (again, you know your body, no dosage suggestions here)
week1-3= 20mg of nolvadex (you know your body, no advice here on dosage)

[Apex Peptides]

^^^^ this too. I completely concur.