High liver levels? Anyone else levels high.

[JUSTBASSIN]

Trying to get my liver levels down. Off orals for 8 months, dropped down from 1500 mgs of test a week to 250 mg of sus every 14 days. Still both AST ALT, are still rising. I even stopped arimidex. 1 iu of HGH a day? Anyone else going through this?

[Cobra Strike]

What are your numbers? Are you taking any medications?

[NY REBEL]

Yea we to know exactly what your intake of medication or drugs is, and what you're levels are at bud

[JUSTBASSIN]

numbers are
AST 144
ALT 125

I was on ********* and OxyContin, for four years. Was on IVIG immunoglobulin. I had Guillian Barre three years ago. Don't know if that is the problem due to the nerve disorder.

[NY REBEL]

I know for a fact those Pks will destroy your liver after that long. My wife was on them for longer. Was hell. What are you taking to help your liver now?

[JUSTBASSIN]

numbers are
AST 144
ALT 125

I was on ********* and OxyContin, for four years. Was on IVIG immunoglobulin. I had Guillian Barre three years ago. Don't know if that is the problem due to the nerve disorder.
Just on 250 mg of sus E14D. Have script for cyp, but decide to take sus.

[NY REBEL]

Have you tried tudca, nac, or any other liver support? Keep your water intake high.

[JUSTBASSIN]

Milk thisl, liver care,N2 GUARD. I just ordered TCUDCA.

[JUSTBASSIN]

Yea I drink gallon of water a day, with no problem.

[JUSTBASSIN]

Did it raise your wife liver levels? Did the levels go down after treatment was over?

[Cobra Strike]

The udca and sythergine were the only things that would lower my liver levels. Nac, milk thistle, liv 52 and others didnt do $hit

[wook]

The udca and sythergine were the only things that would lower my liver levels. Nac, milk thistle, liv 52 and others didnt do $hit

I definitely recommend Synthergine... It lowered mine when it was high and now I run it with every heavy cycle... https://www.synthetek.com/products/synthergine-liver-protectant/

[JUSTBASSIN]

Yea, I'm going put in order for both. thanks. Brothers. I'll give you feed back

[JUSTBASSIN]

Thanks, wook

[JUSTBASSIN]

Thanks Cobra.

[wook]

May someone/somebody knows any medicine for high level of cholesterol that won't complicate on sugar levels? I am really afraid of my hubby having 300 level of sugar test.

You will be better off starting your own thread with that question... It will get lost in here I'm afraid! Good luck!

[Dick]

The udca and sythergine were the only things that would lower my liver levels. Nac, milk thistle, liv 52 and others didnt do $hit

I disagree I use Liv52DS , Nac and a Vitapack every cycle and drink beer while on and my levels come out just fine.

I am a firm believer of Nac and Liv 52. 1200mg of Nac and Liv 52 DS and I am fine, Also everyone's body is different not all work the same so keep that in mind.

Everyone has different sides to everything.

[bdad]

I've had good luck with liv 52 ds, had a friend who went to rehab for alcohol when he got out of treatment they recommended he take the liv 52 also.

[kubes]

Nac 1200 mg Ed

[Dick]

Nac 1200 mg Ed

Works like a charm =)

[kubes]

Works like a charm =)

And it's cheap

[JUSTBASSIN]

I've order the stuff cobra mention, already. If that does not work I'll try NAC. Thanks all.

[Cobra Strike]

It is true that things work differently for everyone...I was just stating that for me nothing touched my liver except the udca and sythergine. I was taking all the liver stuff that is normally passed around the boards like liv 52 and nac ect while my liver levels were climbing. For me the most aggressive liver protectant was udca and sythergine and aggressive is what Im after.

Justbassin....bro you will never want to run anything else after the sythergine.

[spoolin]

I definitely recommend Synthergine... It lowered mine when it was high and now I run it with every heavy cycle... https://www.synthetek.com/products/synthergine-liver-protectant/

This is an oral, correct? I'd have to take 2cc every 12 hours per the instructions and that 100ml bottle would only last about 25 days at most. Pretty expensive stuff being you would need to run 3-4 of these bottles a cycle.

Also, Synthetek lists the ingredients. Why not just take most of what they list? L-Arginine, L-Lysine and L-Methionine. Already taking L-Arginine and L-Lysine.

[cybrsage]

Take at least 1200mg of NAC and 500mg of TUDCA each day for a few weeks and it should really help. It helps me.

[cybrsage]

As a note, TUDCA was found to be superior to UDCA by a slight margin. Not enough to warrant changing from one to the other, but since TUDCA is legal to buy without a script, I would recommend it over UDCA.


Abstract

Taurodeoxycholic acid (TUDCA) and ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA) exert a protective effect in chronic cholestasis. This study reports the effect of TUDCA and UDCA on an in vitro model for ethanol-induced liver damage.
Hep G2 cells were incubated for 24 hours with 80 mmol/L ethanol in the presence or absence of 50 ***956;mol/L TUDCA or UDCA. Cells were also pretreated with 80 mmol/L EtOH and then exposed to 50 ***956;mol/L bile acids. Cytotoxicity was assessed by the metabolism of formazan (3-(4,5-dimethyl-thiazol-2-yl)-2,5-diphenyl tetrazolium bromide and sodium 3,3***8242;-(phenylamino) carbonyl-3,4-tetrazolium-bis (4-methoxy-6-nitro) benzene sulfonic acid hydrase and by the release into the culture medium of different enzymes (aspartate aminotransferase, glutamate dehydrogenase, ***947;-glutamyl transferase, and lactate dehydrogenase).

The incubation of Hep G2 with EtOH significantly (P < 0.001) increased cytotoxicity. Both TUDCA or UDCA reduced cytoxicity to a similar extent (P < 0.001). Cells pretreated with EtOH and then added with TUDCA or UDCA responded differently because TUDCA was significantly more effective (P < 0.05) than an equimolar dose of UDCA in reversing the damage. Electron microscopic examination revealed that TUDCA and UDCA were both able to prevent mitochondrial damage and to reduce steatosis induced by EtOH.

Low doses of TUDCA and UDCA protect Hep G2 cells from EtOH-induced cytotoxicity. However, TUDCA seems to be more effective than UDCA in reversing the damage.
http://www.gastrojournal.org/article/0016-5085(95)90345-3/abstract?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gastrojournal.o rg%2Farticle%2F0016-5085%2895%2990345-3%2Fabstract%3Fpq%3Dtudca%2Bvs%2Budca%26qs%3Dn%26F ORM%3DPORE%26cvid%3D31bb826bd86c4d90b1be59aba7002e 2a%26sc%3D1-12%26first%3D23%26sk%3D%26sp%3D-1%26referrer%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.bing.com%252 Fsearch%253Fq%253Dtudca%2Bvs%2Budca


2.1. Absorption and bioavailability
After oral administration, TUDCA appears to be more effective in raising bile concentrations of UDCA (and downstream effects, such as reducing liver enzyme levels) than UDCA itself; this is most likely due to the Taurine group enhancing bioavailability.[3] [4] The process of conjugating UDCA with taurine is a rate-limiting step, and this rate-limit is avoided with supplementation of TUDCA.[5]

2.2. Distribution
Orally administered TUDCA, at 750mg daily, was able to significantly change the UDCA content of serum, fecal, and urinary bile measurements after 2 months of supplementation; suggesting systemic distribution

Preliminary, but TUDCA appears to be able to protect cells from dysfunction associated with hyperglycemia and may reduce the effects of insulin resistance before they happen (beta-cells) and even therapeutically with the potency of some diabetic pharmaceuticals (in regards to the liver and skeletal muscle)

Might alleviate alcohol's adverse effects on the liver, but appears to be needed to be taken after drinking and may be damaging if taken before...
Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com (http://examine.com/supplements/Tauroursodeoxycholic+Acid/)

[JUSTBASSIN]

Cobra, I got both Thursday and started both. I'll have blood work again in about a month. Do they both when your on, including orals? I stopped all orals due to the high liver levels.

[JUSTBASSIN]

Thanks guys. A wealth of information.

[JUSTBASSIN]

Spoolin, when liver levels are rising, price is my least worry. First I started getting off stuff and didn't work, So I good on money.

Thanks for looking out though.

[Jbray]

How is your cholesterol HDL and LDL and tri's?
did you workout before getting these results?
when is the last time you've been checked(hepitits)?
did you give a urine sample too?

[JUSTBASSIN]

All those mention are find. been checked for everything. Doctor is family so I get the truth and 24 hour availability. We think it was the pain medss. Will see how his stuff works.

[Jbray]

Good luck brother! I hope it works and keeps updated.

[JUSTBASSIN]

Well guys I noticed the swelling in ankles nd feet have went down since using all three liver helpers. Won't have test till I see specialist. I can't wait feel better.

[cybrsage]

Due to decades of alcoholism, my liver quickly goes out of the normal range when I do anything stressing to it. I take 1200mg of NAC daily (split into two doses per day) when not doing anything mean to my liver, and I take 2400mg of NAC with 250mg of TUDCA a day (again, split into two doses a day) when I do anything that could harm the liver.