Enlarged Heart (re-post)

[Dovysizeon]

I've recently just come off a mild cruise of... I was jamming 250mg of Test E per week...

5 weeks ago I kicked up the dosages to...

400mg Per Week Test E Week 1 - 10
30mg ED Dbol Week 1 - 5

Yesterday afternoon I got home from work and took a short nap only to wake up with pulsating pain in the left had side of my chest...

It was(still is) bad, real bad. Had trouble breathing and even lifting my left arm to shift gears in my was painful.


So this morning I called in sick and went to the hospital...



Had a few small tests done to check for blood clots which turned up negative, and then my chest x-ray revealed that I had an enlarged heart.

I have a Stress Echocardiogram booked for the 31st of this month and appointment with an Endocrinologist on the 30th.



The doc I went to see mentioned that my heart enlargement is possibly due to a fluid build up on the 2 outer layers of tissue surrounding my heart

REFERENCE:


Fluid around your heart (pericardial effusion). Accumulation of fluid in the sac (pericardium) that contains your heart may cause your heart to appear enlarged on a chest X-ray.





http://brotherhoodofpain.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7516&stc=1

So now I'm left with nothing really to go on until the 30th. Unsure whether or not to cut gear out all together or to continue with 250mg per week.
I could start a PCT and throw some HCG into the mix to get recovery kicking over faster but I'm wary of using Tamoxifen and Clomiphene with a possible heart
condition hanging in the clouds.


Never had any issues banging back Test at higher dosages (banged 600mg/week in the past with no dramas) and this issues has only come to light with the usage of Dbol, 3 days after I finished so I'm thinking its come as a result linked to the Dbol.



Is anyone able to shed some light on this?

Main thing I would like to know is if it is a build up of fluid in the outer layers of my heart, will it subside?

Anyone else gone through anything of this nature?

[Dundeed]

Bro this sounds very serious.

Honestly in your position Id probs tell the doc what you've been doing.

You're question unless we have a Cardiologist willing to chime in really needs to be answered by a medical professional.

Take care bro get well.

[Dont wanna be old]

I don't think anyone wants to comment about something Dr believed to be true .
I can tell you if you were in danger then I doubt they would wait until end of month .
My heart is enlarged from steroid use but that is a measurement estimation of average hearts .
I can't even tell you all the different tests I had .
Ultra-sound , echo something something and Doppler to check for plaque in arteries .
Heart being a muscle and believed to increase increase with steroid use .
What are your other vitals ?
High blood pressure causes water retention from stress on Kidneys .
Sodium causes water retention .
Estrogen causes people to carry extra water .
I would donate blood if you haven't recently .
Steriods increase blood volume as average joe can't inflate large muscles with average volume .
You ever see a semi truck fill there tires with air with a quarter air pump on the side of a gas station ?
If anything Dbol is the culprit here IMO
Healthy vegetables and fruits that stain cloths are your healthier choices .
Almonds , walnuts and peanuts all unsalted
I would take your fish oil and maybe check out CoQ10 .
Get the cardio going as this helps the heart .
Good luck friend
Do what the Dr tells you
DWBO

[Dovysizeon]

@ Dundee: Told the docs everything, dosages, compounds, pinning schedule, training regime, everything.
@ Dont wana be old : Yeah I do believe it was the dbol too. Appointments are booked so now its just a waiting game, I'm gonna go see a GP tomorrow and have the rest of the week off work.

I never usually exceed dosages to extremes and tend to favor a gradual gain over time as opposed to massive doses and side effects to go hand in hand.

I understand that no one really wants to throw in their 2 cents on this post because it is serious shit that I'm faced with... but when I have a 20 day wait to see
a specialist I tend to stress a bit.

This is my way of venting stress really. I had anticipated a lot of factors but never a heart issue like this.

Cheers for the kind words lads.

[syrax]

I also have an enlarged heart due to years of aas use. I was in a similar sutuation to you 2 years ago. And got diagnosed with pericarditis. It cleared with meds and im fine now.

[wood23]

For what's it's worth had similar experience. Went to doctor about flu told here a had a little pain in chest area. She put me on ecg. Can up irregular , sent for urgent bloods , rang me said go straight to hospital....started shitting myself. They ran ecg again and more bloods and chest xray.Bloods were good this time but he mentioned my heart was large but didn't seem to concerned and was booked to see cardiologist. Did stress test there and found slightly irregular pulse of one of the chambers and then sent for ct scan where they put stuff into your blood to check for clots. Came back super all clear, not any signs of plague at all. Take from that what you will. Try not stress and just do all the tests. Like someone said above, if they aren't rushing test probably just ruling things out and hopefully it will be nothing like me.

[quadzilla]

Cant add much to the topic but am really curious to see what the end result is going to be. So keep us updated mate and as others have said if it was something serious drs would be all over it and you would have been hospitalised. I know is its easily said to relax when ou are not in the same position but stress will only do more harm then good. Do some meditation as its know to help relax in big way.

[Dovysizeon]

@Syrax : that must have been a relief, I feel it's just the uncertainty of not knowing right away and having to wait playing on my mind atm, hopefully I'll be in the clear. If you dont mind me asking, what compounds were you using at the time?

@wood23 : My ECG was normal then after my X-ray it came up irregular, which was weird.


@Quadzilla: I'll keep this thread updated mate. I'll also post up results from scans, log treatment, prescribed medication as I go along.


Thank you for the input.

[schtein]

I went through similar situation I had tachycardia my heart was racing had heart beat 179, spent a couple of days in hospital. I have enlarged heart but I think its quite common among athletes and aas users. Had a break from using the gear but now I returned to 'normal'. Seems to be okay.

[syrax]

[QUOTE=Dovysizeon;367804]@Syrax : that must have been a relief, I feel it's just the uncertainty of not knowing right away and having to wait playing on my mind atm, hopefully I'll be in the clear. If you dont mind me asking, what compounds were you using at the time?

I was using high dose tren ace and a low dose of test at the time. With a little bit of slin. I was getting crazy pains in my chest and after numerous tests at the hospital they diagnosed me with pericarditis. I was fine and back to normal with in 5 days. I ceases compounds and just stayed on a low dose of test for a month until things went back to normal. The symptom was not gear related but due to me having a flu on the chest which turned into pneumonia. Had I have treated the flu it would not of happened in the first place.

[benlash74]

That's some scary stuff brother. I wish you all the best of luck.

[Hatefactory]

Yeah bro I have left ventricular hypertrophy which is basically an enlarged heart.

I had a fucked up EKG, got worried and went to the doctors for an echocardiogram.

Turns out many athletes have enlarged hearts due to the increased cardiac output and it is perfectly common in bodybuilding

[Dovysizeon]

@ Syrax : Im am very glad to hear you recovered well and are going strong. I'm lucky to have been diagnosed early on, I was initially going to run Tren Ace with Test Prop but now I'm kinda glad I didnt.

@ benlash74 : Thankyou, hopefully I can get back on track soon.

@ hatefactory : Doc was pretty sure it was due to a Fluid build up inside my Pericardial Sac, symptoms fit the bill, which is treatable. Its just a tad nerve racking being a heart issue.

[Clark Kent]

I would maybe drop trt down to 100 mgs. E/W. HCG can give you palpitations and racing heart as well at the doses you will need for pct. then get you heart checked and go see urologist or even a fertility doc and let them set you up. You may very well just have an infection! An infection of the heart is more common than you may think. Did they do blood work to check your white count?

[Dovysizeon]

Unsure but im back in the emergency room right now. Pain got worse over night

[Dont wanna be old]

Dam friend .
Hope they can fix you .
DWBO

[pwrlifting]

hope everything goes well for ya bud! i believe it is curcumin that blocks an avenue of heart enlargement. read that in Llewellyn's anabolics. make sure youre taking all health supps you can. i take cycle assist and fish oil year round. im on 200/wk trt myself. i blast up to 800/wk. keep us updated

[Dovysizeon]

GOOD NEWS!!!! So...I went back to the hospital and had a visit with a different doctor... Its not my heart... (thank fuck).... i was misdiagnosed yesterday, I'm not sure how but yeah... not happy but I am overwhelmingly relived.

They gave me another chest X-ray and ultra-sound and it turns out I had a build up of stomach acid which in turn was making my stomach bloat and cause sever discomfort to my lower chest. The pain from this was insane for what it was, the gave me some pain killers and some gooey smiley shit in a small cup and within the hour the pain was dramatically reduced. Im still experiencing some discomfort but it should subside with the next week and I can get back to training.

This being said, it was a false alarm. However the likely hood of something going wrong with your heart while using AAS is very high. This has been a serious reminder and wake up call for me.

Thank you to everyone who shared their personal experiences on this thread.

[Dundeed]

Good news bro

but honestly who the fuck is the dick that fuvked up and misdiagnosed your condition in the first place
dam could've went the other way

probs as soon as you mentioned juice use they put you in the self inflicted bin

good to hear your well bro

[Dovysizeon]

They never actually said what the issue was but merely hinted. Yeah I'm still having some pretty bad stomach pains just banged down some Mylanta and Buscopan along with some panandine. They pretty much just gave me the shoulder and sent me out on my way. No medication was prescribed, I'm sitting in my GPs waiting room because the pain kicked up an hour ago.

This however I doubt was related to AAS usage.

[Dont wanna be old]

It sounds like Heartburn . Got part of it right . The Dbol was guilty after all .
I'm just glad your ok .
Be well
DWBO

[Dundeed]

Been checked for stomach ulcers?

get the cam down in the gut you may have a Nasty ulcer brother !?

[Dundeed]

Get some nexium

pm me if you want some

My friend can send you sum.

[physiq]

my grandfather had this issue. not from aas obs.
he had to much fluid around his heart wich was slightly enlarged. also one of his arterys was slightly blocked. His blood pressure dropped to around 50. he had surgery his heart was drained and he wasnt allowed over 1L fluid daily. everything measured. hes came good using meds daily obviously hes older cant recover as fast etc. but its a serious thing mate id only take advice from clinical professionals

[physiq]

sorry bro just read your all good! good news my man be safe

[Dovysizeon]

Get some nexium

pm me if you want some

My friend can send you sum.

Funny you mention that...After going to my GP they prescribed Nexum 40mg, didnt feel better until 2 days later, took some Busopan and Mylanta with it aswell as some panadine forte. Finally a competent doctor.

Feeling much better today aside from feeling weak due to my diet of dry plain toast, apples and water.

Should be back at work/training Wednesday-Thursday.

Thank you to everyone who posted on this thread. Much love