BEGINNER CYCLE- EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW

[Clutch7]

Beginner Cycle: 12 weeks of Test E

Gear to buy:
Test E 250 (3 vials) Buy an extra incase you drop one
Arimidex or Aromasin pills at least (40)
Nolvadex pills at least (40)
Clomid pills (at least 30)

BLOODWORK:
Pre, During, and Post cycle bloodwork is highly recommended.
Which test to choose>> The uncapped women's hormone panel from quest or lab pro

Weeks 1-12:
Test E @ 500mg/week (250mg twice per week)

Pinning schedule: Monday&Thursday or Tuesday&Friday or Wednesday&Saturday or Thursday&Sunday

AI:
OPTION 1: Arimidex- 0.5mg every other day or every 3 days- easily judge this by your libido. If you have barely any sex drive, your estrogen is too low so take Arimidex E3D. If your sex drive is ok or very high (this is normal) take Arimidex EOD.
OPTION 2: Aromasin- 12.5mg every day

Optional HCG: HCG during cycle to keep testes producing natural testosterone. 250iu's twice a week.

PCT: Nolvadex and clomid 4 weeks
Week 1: clomid 75mg & nolva 40mg every day
Week 2: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day
Week 3: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day
Week 4: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day

Diet:
Click>> log on diet & training (http://brotherhoodofpain.com/training-diet-and-steroid-logs/26186-training-diet-dosing.html). This is an excellent recomp diet

[Clutch7]

Anyone feel free to critique what I said. I put this up to hopefully be stickied as I've noticed a lot of new guys lately ask about a first cycle. I think I covered just about everything.

[Thappy]

Only thing I can pick at is aromasin really needs to be taken everyday. But as its a suicide inhibitor it doesn't agree with all people.

and always use pharma Ai and pct items

[PAiN]

Good info and will be easy to link to when these posts come around.

You may want to add HCG to your post as an option as well.

[Clutch7]

Good info and will be easy to link to when these posts come around.

You may want to add HCG to your post as an option as well.

Thabks brother I added it in there!

[HardtoGain]

I would add in a blood testing schedule. I know many noobs won't get bloods, but for someone who is serious about taking all precautions it may be helpful. I would add in pre, during, and post cycle bloodwork. Just the usual uncapped womens hormone panel from quest or labcorp.

[Clutch7]

I would add in a blood testing schedule. I know many noobs won't get bloods, but for someone who is serious about taking all precautions it may be helpful. I would add in pre, during, and post cycle bloodwork. Just the usual uncapped womens hormone panel from quest or labcorp.

Good looking out bro. Got it added.

[NY REBEL]

Not bad, only thing I go with is first cycle 250/300. My first was 250 and I gained kept 15lbs.. Is all about the training and diet. Then they can move up..

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[Clutch7]

Not bad, only thing I go with is first cycle 250/300. My first was 250 and I gained kept 15lbs.. Is all about the training and diet. Then they can move up..

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Yeah I definitely agree. I just recommend 500 because it's pretty typical and is about training and diet. Just most newer guys don't know how to eat correctly. Just what I've seen from coaching people

[JohnDoe]

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[Loose Cannon]

exactly what i tell my bros new to the game

[JohnDoe]

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[PAiN]

Very informative thread! Keep the advice coming brothers so we can easily link here to answer new users questions.

[JohnDoe]

Dunno if this was stickied...sooooo....bump


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[Jason126]

Looks like a great first cycle.

[swolecat]

I have trouble finding each item from a single supplier for some reason- seems like everyone is missing one piece! How long does it take to amass the right stuff lol

[Clutch7]

I have trouble finding each item from a single supplier for some reason- seems like everyone is missing one piece! How long does it take to amass the right stuff lol

Theres sponsors on here that have everything you'll need bud

[panda72]

Are nolva and clomid both necessary?

[rocky83]

Are nolva and clomid both necessary?

^^For PCT yes.

[NY REBEL]

Are nolva and clomid both necessary?
Absolutely

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[AENERGY]

Weeks 1-12:
Test E @ 500mg/week (250mg twice per week)
why without increase?
i mean why strict 500 all weeks ?

[QuestBar_and_Juice]

Good Thread !!

[Christian]

Beginner Cycle: 12 weeks of Test E

Gear to buy:
Test E 250 (3 vials) Buy an extra incase you drop one
Arimidex or Aromasin pills at least (40)
Nolvadex pills at least (40)
Clomid pills (at least 30)

BLOODWORK:
Pre, During, and Post cycle bloodworm is highly recommended.
Which test to choose>> The uncapped women's hormone panel from quest or lab pro

Weeks 1-12:
Test E @ 500mg/week (250mg twice per week)

Pinning schedule: Monday&Thursday or Tuesday&Friday or Wednesday&Saturday or Thursday&Sunday

AI:
OPTION 1: Arimidex- 0.5mg every other day or every 3 days- easily judge this by your libido. If you have barely any sex drive, your estrogen is too low so take Arimidex E3D. If your sex drive is ok or very high (this is normal) take Arimidex EOD.
OPTION 2: Aromasin- 12.5mg every day

PCT: Nolvadex and clomid 4 weeks
Week 1: clomid 75mg & nolva 40mg every day
Week 2: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day
Week 3: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day
Week 4: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day

Diet:
Click>> log on diet & training (http://brotherhoodofpain.com/training-diet-and-steroid-logs/26186-training-diet-dosing.html). This is an excellent recomp diet
After researching and asking fellow bros what would be the best things to take first cycle I had almost built this exact same stack! So after all the wondering and second guessing I'm really glad to find this thread, because I was missing a couple things. I only have one question, when is the proper time to start the PCT after the last administration of test and the AI? And also is there any best time to pin? i.e. with food, first thing in the morning, etc.? So really two questions haha

[bukoa1]

Thanks for making this a sticky. As someone brand new to all this I feel like this is going to be a big help. Still doing a lot of research and need to get my own training and diet underway. Very helpful

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[Amber Jones]

for beginners how to use AI, and what is the best cycle for cutting

[Amber Jones]

for the beginners are very useful

[JUSTBASSIN]

I just read this. You seem to have knowledge on cycles. looks good

[MC1]

Thanks man, been looking to start my very first cycle, and this was very helpful.

[Skribble83]

Beginner Cycle: 12 weeks of Test E

Gear to buy:
Test E 250 (3 vials) Buy an extra incase you drop one
Arimidex or Aromasin pills at least (40)
Nolvadex pills at least (40)
Clomid pills (at least 30)

BLOODWORK:
Pre, During, and Post cycle bloodwork is highly recommended.
Which test to choose>> The uncapped women's hormone panel from quest or lab pro

Weeks 1-12:
Test E @ 500mg/week (250mg twice per week)

Pinning schedule: Monday&Thursday or Tuesday&Friday or Wednesday&Saturday or Thursday&Sunday

AI:
OPTION 1: Arimidex- 0.5mg every other day or every 3 days- easily judge this by your libido. If you have barely any sex drive, your estrogen is too low so take Arimidex E3D. If your sex drive is ok or very high (this is normal) take Arimidex EOD.
OPTION 2: Aromasin- 12.5mg every day

Optional HCG: HCG during cycle to keep testes producing natural testosterone. 250iu's twice a week.

PCT: Nolvadex and clomid 4 weeks
Week 1: clomid 75mg & nolva 40mg every day
Week 2: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day
Week 3: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day
Week 4: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day

Diet:
Click>> log on diet & training (http://brotherhoodofpain.com/training-diet-and-steroid-logs/26186-training-diet-dosing.html). This is an excellent recomp diet
Should I taper down the test towards the end of the cycle or just stop completely?

[PAiN]

Should I taper down the test towards the end of the cycle or just stop completely?

Stop completely. Test naturally tapers itself in your body. Check this thread and diagram from GearDepot. It shows the gradual taper of testosterone after injection.

https://brotherhoodofpain.com/geardepot/28450-getting-testosterone-injections.html

[tarzannigga]

so i am a straight up noob guys and was wondering when you mean 250IU of HCG twice a week, do you mean 250mcg? i have a site that sells 5000mcg of hcg and was wondering how much bac water to recon it with. and in a 100unit slin pin what tick do i draw up to for 250mcg? i know these are really noob questions but i just wanna know for sure, better safe than sorry. also want to know a little more about blood tests

[friend-o-mine]

so i am a straight up noob guys and was wondering when you mean 250IU of HCG twice a week, do you mean 250mcg? i have a site that sells 5000mcg of hcg and was wondering how much bac water to recon it with. and in a 100unit slin pin what tick do i draw up to for 250mcg? i know these are really noob questions but i just wanna know for sure, better safe than sorry. also want to know a little more about blood tests

Most
people mix the powder with 5ML of bac water. There are a few good tutorials on YouTube that show you how to mix it and store in in a 5ML sterile vile.

I like to break it up into 3 vials of 5mL. 2000iu in each vile. ANd 1000iu in the 3rd vial And I stick first vile in the refrigerator and freeze the other 2 (because the HCG will go bad in 30 days unless it gets frozen). Thats enough HCG to get me thru a 12 week cycle

[Beastie]

Yep great 1st cycle..500mgs test E..

[whoplanswins]

Yeh 250mg pw is good to start. See how your body/mind goes.

[Anzel]

Yeh 250mg pw is good to start. See how your body/mind goes.

I used 250 iu 2x a week for a while and finally moved up to 500 iu 2x week.

[friend-o-mine]

Is it okay to wait until week 2 to begin the HCG? I dont think nuts will shrink too much in only a week at a weekly does of 500mg test-e

No pun

And for myself I would rather take only 6mg aromasin every day and just see how I feel, if i get itchy nips or any other estro sides I can up the dose right away.

And planning to pull bloods at week 4 or 5 to see E2 levels

[pythonsweb39]

Why the women's test?


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[Sacdiddy]

Cutting Cycle. beginner. Would like some input.

12 week cycle.

Week 1-12. Test Cypionate 500mg/week (250mg mon,thur)
Week 5-12. Tren Acetate 100mg - Mon, Wed, Fri
Week 7-12. Winstrol 20mg Everyday. (10mg morning, 10mg evening Orally) (or 50mg pin. 25mg morning, 25mg evening)
Week 1-12. Aromasin 10mg. EOD or Every 3 days. depending on response.

PCT. Everyday.
Week 14-17 20mg Cardarine
Week 14. 40mg Nolvadex. 50mg Clomid
Week 15. 20mg Nolvadex. 50mg Clomid
Week 16. 20mg Nolvadex. 25mg Clomid
Week 17. 10mg Nolvadex. 12.5mg Clomid

Any thoughts? dosage? etc?

thanks

[punkrocker]

Thanks, great info.

[tcinbc66]

Tren for a first cycle?


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[PAiN]

Tren for a first cycle?


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No!

[tcinbc66]

No!

I wasn't thinking so. I read his first cutting cycle and wanted clarification.


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[dondraper]

How about HGH with first cycle ?

[PAiN]

How about HGH with first cycle ?

I'd suggest running HGH anytime you can for as long as you can. Before, during, and after a cycle. Minimum of 6 months.

[dondraper]

Thanks for answering pain !

[tcinbc66]

I'd suggest running HGH anytime you can for as long as you can. Before, during, and after a cycle. Minimum of 6 months.

Any reason to do hcg if you are cruising after the cycle?


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[Anzel]

Any reason to do hcg if you are crushing after the cycle?


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He didn't say HCG. He said HGH

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[tcinbc66]

He didn't say HCG. He said HGH

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Thanks anzel! Old eyes seeing things! Didn't make sense with hcg!


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[Anzel]

Thanks anzel! Old eyes seeing things! Didn't make sense with hcg!


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Hgh will make your old eyes see better!
Well maybe not but it will help anyway!

Anzel
Puritysourcelabs.ru Euro-Pharmacies.net

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[Blades22]

49 and wanting to do my first cycle, at my age is this a good way to go

[Notknown7]

I've been sitting back reading .thanks for your posts.

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[Notknown7]

I've been sitting back reading not posting because I don't know what to do or what not to do yet but what is a sponsor?

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[Boxsquatter]

You need to give a little more info about your self. Weight, training exp, goals

[IslandCre8tion]

great post for anyone looking for a first cycle.

the only thing missing is that PCT should start 2 weeks AFTER your last pin if you're using enanthate or cypionate.

[madhungarian]

Thanks for some good info. This was a good read.

[Sqwuidd]

First Cycle (in my opinion)

14-16 weeks Long

Test E or C 500 per week in 2 injections

Proviron 50mg ED
Anavar 50mg ED for 6 weeks

HCG 500iu 2x per week while on cycle
Sub-q injection

PCT -
Nolvadex 100mg (3 weeks) -drop to 50mg week 4 then 25mg week 5

Clomid 40mg (3 weeks) drop to 20mg for weeks 4 and 5 of PCT

Proviron 50mg first 3 weeks , drop to 25 week 4 and 5


Just how I would advise a first cycle


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[Devil1]

Good info here, I’ve been recommending this for years. You hit it right on the head buddy!

[alx6381]

Great info

[Brick Crusher]

Good Info Thanks.

[leftkz]

definitely bookmarking this for my first cycle.+

[TheRealAres]

Damn, I wish I would have had this information for my first cycle back in the day! I screwed my hormone levels up by no PCT or on cycle ancillaries. I see so many guys new to AAS wanting to jump on cycle without having all of the information to prevent bad side effects. Great information, great thread!

[SavageShawn]

Awesome info, thanks!

[NoXainNoGain]

Interesting.....

[Primetime]

Some good info good to see brother sharing there knowledge

[NoXainNoGain]

Good info i really agree about the new guys not knowing the science of eating right so they don't grow like they should.
im definitely one of the new guys but looking forward to keep learning from the masters here in BOP

[Oldskool]

Good info and will be easy to link to when these posts come around.

You may want to add HCG to your post as an option as well.I personally always do. It's a necessity for me.

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[Oldskool]

Great post

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[oldmonkeyjo]

Damn, I wish I would have had this information for my first cycle back in the day! I screwed my hormone levels up by no PCT or on cycle ancillaries. I see so many guys new to AAS wanting to jump on cycle without having all of the information to prevent bad side effects. Great information, great thread!
Well I can say I need to know more. I have looked and read and read and I don't know where to go and who to trust. Yes I am a newbie.
If I'm in the wrong place please point me in the right direction. FYI I am a 56 year man looking to feel like a new man and look like one too. Is there anything that really works? I have been ripped off enough.
Any advise will be great
Thanks

[avega602]

Looks like I might run with this.

Great info THANKS


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[oldmonkeyjo]

Afternoon,
Definite Newbi
I am 56 year old man with a mindset of a 25 year old, but I have an issue with energy. I do work out 2 or 3 times a week. I have been on other training programs in the past.
I am 6 foot 225lbs, but my BMI is like a 28. I'm not looking for short cuts because I know I will do the work. I have done a ton of research and there is allot of information here.
I have been trying to get some feedback, but maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. I don't seem to get any responces. I am looking to loose the xtra lbs and just build some good muscle tone.
I see you have been here for awhile, am help would be appreciated.
Thanks

[avega602]

Afternoon,
Definite Newbi
I am 56 year old man with a mindset of a 25 year old, but I have an issue with energy. I do work out 2 or 3 times a week. I have been on other training programs in the past.
I am 6 foot 225lbs, but my BMI is like a 28. I'm not looking for short cuts because I know I will do the work. I have done a ton of research and there is allot of information here.
I have been trying to get some feedback, but maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. I don't seem to get any responces. I am looking to loose the xtra lbs and just build some good muscle tone.
I see you have been here for awhile, am help would be appreciated.
Thanks

I’m new here as well, I’d suggest introducing yourself in the introductions area. There’s a shit ton of information here and a lot of knowledgeable folks.


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[Oldskool]

Afternoon,
Definite Newbi
I am 56 year old man with a mindset of a 25 year old, but I have an issue with energy. I do work out 2 or 3 times a week. I have been on other training programs in the past.
I am 6 foot 225lbs, but my BMI is like a 28. I'm not looking for short cuts because I know I will do the work. I have done a ton of research and there is allot of information here.
I have been trying to get some feedback, but maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. I don't seem to get any responces. I am looking to loose the xtra lbs and just build some good muscle tone.
I see you have been here for awhile, am help would be appreciated.
ThanksIm far from an expert but it sounds like as a starting point trt would help you out allot.

Absorbing all the info possible in regards to trt would be where u should start.

You should also get a full set of blood work done that shows everything.

After that if ur test lvls are low u know u need trt.

How long have you been training?

What does ur diet look like?

Do u track all micro and macro nutrients that enter ur body?

What's ur supplementation look like?

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[oldmonkeyjo]

Thanks
I really don't know where to get reliable Bloods.
I do agree that trt is a good way to go.
I did see Clutch7"s "Beginning Cycle post"
But I can't say I know where to get that gear.
It always has seems to be a scammer.

I go to the gym 3 or 4 times a week, but the routine is kind amateurish.\
You cardio 45 minutes, then either upper body lifting, next time always the same cardio
abbs....lower body.
Man thanks I'm glad to ask some questions to someone.

[oldmonkeyjo]

Thanks
I've done that.
Just was welcomed by a great bunch of people.
I want to try and find a good Sponsor site that's real

[avega602]

What’s your training history consist of?


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[oldmonkeyjo]

I have used trainers in the past, but that was a while back. I guess I'm just the average guy going to the gym a few times a week.
I just want to jump up a bit so I can turn it up as i go.

[avega602]

I have used trainers in the past, but that was a while back. I guess I'm just the average guy going to the gym a few times a week.
I just want to jump up a bit so I can turn it up as i go.

I feel you brother!

I’ve trained on and off since about 2009. I’ve made slot of gains and lost some here and there. Been hitting the gym very consistently this year and have made more muscular gains than I ever have before although not as strong as I use to be.

I’m on the fence when it comes to starting my first cycle because I still want to squeeze every ounce of my potential naturally, but I’m sick of making just average gains and being just an average dude, while others seem to be huge with out having the same work ethic as I do.

I believe what oldskool mentioned earlier, get your levels checked and hopefully hop on some hormone replacement therapy. That will probably kick start you off real nice alone right there.

I’m no expert by any means but I think you’ll benefit greatly from hitting the gym hard, eating clean but like a beast. After that maybe look into some aas

Just my opinion brother.




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[JBoom]

Thanks for the info Man

[OrangeCat]

Thanks, very usefully info.

[Hardgainer]

Good info, thanks for sharing!

[astevens2]

Really feel the AIs are necessary with 500mg and it being a first cycle? Also i would maybe taper down to 250 for like 2 weeks at the end so the drop off isnt too much.

[Starhopper]

Really feel the AIs are necessary with 500mg and it being a first cycle? Also i would maybe taper down to 250 for like 2 weeks at the end so the drop off isnt too much.

This all depends on the person and if they are prone to high E2 levels when cycling. I know for my first cycle of Test Cyp at 500mg per week I needed to use 12.5mg of Aromasin eod. I also started with a higher bf% so I was prone to raising E2 levels. Also as for tapering down to 250mg per week you will still need some sort of PCT to bring your natural test production back up. 250mg per week will still have you shut down, hell, 100mg per week after a cycle will still have you shutdown. Either cruise on a TRT dose, or run a full PCT. E2 rebound is not fun I have heard.

[Hardgainer]

All good info. Thanks.

[peterhesh]

This all depends on the person and if they are prone to high E2 levels when cycling. I know for my first cycle of Test Cyp at 500mg per week I needed to use 12.5mg of Aromasin eod. I also started with a higher bf% so I was prone to raising E2 levels. Also as for tapering down to 250mg per week you will still need some sort of PCT to bring your natural test production back up. 250mg per week will still have you shut down, hell, 100mg per week after a cycle will still have you shutdown. Either cruise on a TRT dose, or run a full PCT. E2 rebound is not fun I have heard.

What is your recommendation for PCT as I am currently on my first cycle and it is similar to this.


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[Mario]

Thanks, I'll try it some time next year.

[TestEone]

I keep referring to this for my first cycle. Thanks for the information.

[Brick Crusher]

Pct Clomed and Nolva? Can one just be used for pct?

[LASB]

Beginner Cycle: 12 weeks of Test E

Gear to buy:
Test E 250 (3 vials) Buy an extra incase you drop one
Arimidex or Aromasin pills at least (40)
Nolvadex pills at least (40)
Clomid pills (at least 30)

BLOODWORK:
Pre, During, and Post cycle bloodwork is highly recommended.
Which test to choose>> The uncapped women's hormone panel from quest or lab pro

Weeks 1-12:
Test E @ 500mg/week (250mg twice per week)

Pinning schedule: Monday&Thursday or Tuesday&Friday or Wednesday&Saturday or Thursday&Sunday

AI:
OPTION 1: Arimidex- 0.5mg every other day or every 3 days- easily judge this by your libido. If you have barely any sex drive, your estrogen is too low so take Arimidex E3D. If your sex drive is ok or very high (this is normal) take Arimidex EOD.
OPTION 2: Aromasin- 12.5mg every day

Optional HCG: HCG during cycle to keep testes producing natural testosterone. 250iu's twice a week.

PCT: Nolvadex and clomid 4 weeks
Week 1: clomid 75mg & nolva 40mg every day
Week 2: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day
Week 3: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day
Week 4: clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg every day

Diet:
Click>> log on diet & training (http://brotherhoodofpain.com/training-diet-and-steroid-logs/26186-training-diet-dosing.html). This is an excellent recomp diet


Whats the recommendation for starting my PCT?

is four days after my last pin ok to start my clomid and nolva at the dosages listed above? :1354729288:

[quicksilver]

Whats the recommendation for starting my PCT?

is four days after my last pin ok to start my clomid and nolva at the dosages listed above? :1354729288:


It depends on the ester of test you were using. If prop you’re good to start, if enth or cyp wait 10-14 days, sustanon 16 daysdays

[Datsumgoats]

Awesome post. Think I'll give this a try.

[thaifoon]

thanks for the info

[Raw]

There is no statement as to when you should stop taking the AI in the sticky. Please add.

[LASB]

There is no statement as to when you should stop taking the AI in the sticky. Please add.

After 4 weeks, it says at the top of the PCT schedule "PCT 4 weeks" :hh9BEeLFGEOeZUWG.jp

[Raw]

I am not talking about the "POST CYCLE". I am asking about the AI.

[LASB]

I am not talking about the "POST CYCLE". I am asking about the AI.

Everyone is going to have a different idea. I run the AI for the complete cycle at a low dose.. But I'm real sensitive to estrogen it seems, hence why I keep on top of it the whole time.

Other will suggest only to use when symptoms show up

[Oldman85]

This is great! Wish I’d had this spelled out of for me so plainly before my first cycle. It’s exactly what I did, but took a while get the truth and fiction sorted out.

[bulldogger]

Nice idea for a first cycle. I was a dumbass and only took 300 but i was on trt 200mg a week so i guess you could say 500.

It seems many who have not ran gear though think use a kickstarter or run another compound like deca. More and more people talk, and i took the advice, test is king and should be the base of your first cycle.

[Iron Foundry]

Hey Lads,

I have done PCT a couple of times.
The last time was with a different approach and taper off as well.

After running Test E and Mast E Most of my cycle i changed to shorter esters.
Test P and Mast P for 3 weeks at end of cycle, dropping the ml's weekly.

I was, at this time, referred to a protocol via an Irish doc and i began it with total cold turkey for 5 half lives ..( Prop is between 3-5 days ) so i waited 20days until i had my first HCG injection of 1000iu and then 500iu daily until i used whole vial.
I waited again for 1 week then i began to use clomid/nolva.
Both ED for 2 weeks and then continued nolva ED but clomid EOD for 2 weeks.
Dropped Clomid and EOD Nolva for another week then went off.

Now, I had my bloods done at the crash of my body. That was on the 19th day after my last pin. My test and Mast week of pin was only 1/2 ml each.
I had my bloods done again at 14 weeks and i have had the results checked and am back to acceptable levels on all aspects.

What i did was not for everyone. But is you take a less is more approach and have bloods done, you will be able to gauge your PCT with a better eye.
You cant see what levels your at looking at your arm and ive been there in the hard times as one of my major runs in an off season was terrible. More than ever i take the PCT seriously and i make sure i have liver and kidney support added with looking after the gut.

Im no professional or doctor, but i have done silly things in my 12 years pinning and im just happy that i was able to maintain the levels now that i need when i come off cycle.

Happy to chat with any and all about it as i am new to the forum but keen to help and learn when im not working.

Thanks brothers

[Bambam333]

Only thing I disagree with is running hcg during cycle as this is a major misconception and I don't know where people get the info that hcg will keep your nuts producing natural test while using exogenous test coz no matter the amount used your nuts will be shut down simple and only when the exogenous test is stopped and through a proper pct will they start to produce natural test again, hcg should really only be used at the start of pct in my opinion

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[Riggs]

Only thing I disagree with is running hcg during cycle as this is a major misconception and I don't know where people get the info that hcg will keep your nuts producing natural test while using exogenous test coz no matter the amount used your nuts will be shut down simple and only when the exogenous test is stopped and through a proper pct will they start to produce natural test again, hcg should really only be used at the start of pct in my opinion

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Early on in my AAS journey, as in 20yrs ago sheez, it kept my balls from disappearing in to my stomach and I felt better. Now a lots changed for me since then and the last time I ran HCG was @ 5yrs ago and my balls yielded no physical response.

What's crazy is I haven't pct'd since 2006 & my balls still shrink & fill back out based on what I'm taking. Call me crazy and I'll post up pics........

[Jetblack14316]

Early on in my AAS journey, as in 20yrs ago sheez, it kept my balls from disappearing in to my stomach and I felt better. Now a lots changed for me since then and the last time I ran HCG was @ 5yrs ago and my balls yielded no physical response.

What's crazy is I haven't pct'd since 2006 & my balls still shrink & fill back out based on what I'm taking. Call me crazy and I'll post up pics........

Hahahahaha! “No balls”!!! I’m dying Riggs. You’ve got some fuckin years under your belt brother. Respect! [emoji1364]


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[YoungG]

If estrogen conversion seems high can you just take nolva on cycle?

[maxmuscle1]

Hahahahaha! “No balls”!!! I’m dying Riggs. You’ve got some fuckin years under your belt brother. Respect! [emoji1364]


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Cocking is out! Lol [emoji23]

Max

[ThreeThirty]

Very good information. I don't really agree with the pinning schedule. Because there is a safer method to do which is backloading your weekly dose into into insulin syringes and doing daily injections which keeps your blood levels balanced and reduces the water retention

[Damnwideback90]

Looks solid. Not picking or saying your wrong. 250mgs a week worked great for me. Diet, training and rest was pretty good too. Everybody is different though.

[OKlifter1983]

Is this a recommended first cycle? I'm trying to start my first and looking for reliable source to purchase from, was told by several people this was the best place to get good info and fact checked sellers. I'm 37 years old 5'10@ 220 lbs. Wanting to lean bulk and have been lifting for several years and on a nutrition plan for the past four years with a nutritionist. Maxed out my abilities naturally and now trying to take the next step in my growth.

[Stampede]

What size needles would you recommend? I know when drawing certain stuff up in the past I have had to change them up!

[bulldogger]

What size needles would you recommend? I know when drawing certain stuff up in the past I have had to change them up!

I hear different ones. My TRT doc gave me 21 and 22. Initially and most times I use 23g, but I also hear 25g. length is 1inch and 1 and 1/2 inch.

[Damnwideback90]

Is this a recommended first cycle? I'm trying to start my first and looking for reliable source to purchase from, was told by several people this was the best place to get good info and fact checked sellers. I'm 37 years old 5'10@ 220 lbs. Wanting to lean bulk and have been lifting for several years and on a nutrition plan for the past four years with a nutritionist. Maxed out my abilities naturally and now trying to take the next step in my growth.

Yeah 500mgs is a solid 1st cycle. Bulking and cutting is diet dependent. You can cut on deca and Anadrol or bulk. Surplus in a healthy caloric intake is bulk. Cutting would be a healthy calor deficit cardio etc. There's a lot smarter guys on here then me.

[Damnwideback90]

Very good information. I don't really agree with the pinning schedule. Because there is a safer method to do which is backloading your weekly dose into into insulin syringes and doing daily injections which keeps your blood levels balanced and reduces the water retention

You'll be just fine pining test e or c twice a week. Your levels wont fluctuate really at twice a week. Pretty safe

[Chandlerjohnson325]

I hear different ones. My TRT doc gave me 21 and 22. Initially and most times I use 23g, but I also hear 25g. length is 1inch and 1 and 1/2 inch.

Just chiming in here if you guys don’t mind. I guess everyone has there own individual preference but I use to use 23g 1 inch. But little while ago I decided to go with 23g 1.5 inch and I feel like it’s better I can definitely tell it gets deeper into the muscle tissue and I find it easier to inject. However I don’t really use shoulders or quads if so I’d say stick to 1 inch for those spots


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[Chandlerjohnson325]

Yeah 500mgs is a solid 1st cycle. Bulking and cutting is diet dependent. You can cut on deca and Anadrol or bulk. Surplus in a healthy caloric intake is bulk. Cutting would be a healthy calor deficit cardio etc. There's a lot smarter guys on here then me.

Well bro your right you nailed it I mean I’m not the smartest guy on here either but seems like you know your stuff man. A lot of beginners don’t understand the importance of diet.

With that being said I agree with you one hundred percent about food intake. I’ve seen guys wanting to bulk running test deca and Adrol or dbol and they don’t have there diet where it needs to be and they think it’s bad gear or something? But I try to explain you can’t run a car without putting gas in the tank. I feel like that’s probably the best way to explain it to a novice user if they aren’t seeing the gains they want from there cycle.


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[Damnwideback90]

Well bro your right you nailed it I mean I’m not the smartest guy on here either but seems like you know your stuff man. A lot of beginners don’t understand the importance of diet.

With that being said I agree with you one hundred percent about food intake. I’ve seen guys wanting to bulk running test deca and Adrol or dbol and they don’t have there diet where it needs to be and they think it’s bad gear or something? But I try to explain you can’t run a car without putting gas in the tank. I feel like that’s probably the best way to explain it to a novice user if they aren’t seeing the gains they want from there cycle.


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I'm not a expert on anything except Fucking up. People can be in a caloric surplus and still not see much gain. They might have a high metabolism. Eat more ya know

[Chiefs2003]

Good thread man appreciate the advice

[Stampede]

Im having to stop my cycle early, going offshore for work and cannot take gear out there. I took anavar at 50mg a day for 4 weeks and test e 500mg (2x 250) for 3 weeks.

Recommendations and length of PCT for that short of a cycle?

[bulldogger]

Just chiming in here if you guys don’t mind. I guess everyone has there own individual preference but I use to use 23g 1 inch. But little while ago I decided to go with 23g 1.5 inch and I feel like it’s better I can definitely tell it gets deeper into the muscle tissue and I find it easier to inject. However I don’t really use shoulders or quads if so I’d say stick to 1 inch for those spots


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What do you use glutes? Man i have heard of guys injecting in pecs, calves. seems all over. My ****** gear I do delts. UG lab is always quads. Inow its going to sound strange but in case of dirty gear i would rather lose a leg than arm. I have not heard of that and i know our sponsors are reviwed and members update what is going on and even seen mods step on an on issue a time or two so i likley am being overly concerned.