Why Some Steroid Shots Hurt?

[PAiN]

WHY DO SOME SHOTS HURT????????


High Mg per ML Roids, What you need to know ?

1. Most hormones have a pretty low solubility in oil.
2. The primary ways to increase solubility are to
A) add solvent (BA or EA).
B) Add an ester to the hormone. The longer the ester
the more hormone will fit in the oil at a certain mg
per ml ratio. Conversely, the weight of the ester is
also factored in the total mg per ml ratio, so while
you can fit more hormone in, you are getting less
actual hormone than the mg amount implies. Here are
some examples:

Ester actual mg/100mg dose
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63
nand phenyl 67
nand deca 64

This means that if your test cyp says 200 mgs per ml
you get an actual 140 mgs of test. The rest of the
weight is the weight of the ester. If that sounds like
a bad deal you need to understand that test no ester
is VERY insoluble in oil without going to very high mg
per ml solvent concentrations.

This brings up the next point; PAIN!

Why do some shots hurt? There are two primary reasons.
One, the solvent ratio is too high. Anything over
about 10% starts to hurt. BA and EA are VERY
inflammatory to the tissues. That?s why you want ONLY
enough to help your oil hold more gear but not so much
that it causes inflammation.

The second reason is that the gear crystallizes in the
depot. This is precisely why water-based suspensions
feel like hammer blows. The water is absorbed FAST,
leaving the gear to crystallize in the tissues = PAIN.
Even gear in oil can do this, here is how it works. If
you use a low ester weight attached to your gear and
make the mg per ml ratio SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the
oil will hold on it's own, what happens is the body
absorbs the solvent faster than the oil/gear and the
gear falls out of the solution and crystallizes in the
depot and WHAM, it hurts like hell. An optimum
solution has just enough solvent to get more gear into
solution than you could otherwise, but not so much
that what I just stated happens. When the ratios are
correct the gear holds in the solution UNTIL the whole
depot is absorbed and very little or no pain is felt.
Just to end this misconception once and for all IT IS
NOT THE VOLUME OF THE OIL THAT CAUSES THE PAIN, IT IS
ONE OF THE CONDITIONS STATED ABOVE. You can shoot 5
cc's of sterile oil and never know you took a shot. It
IS NOT HOW MUCH OIL YOU SHOOT! So why does everyone
search for super high mg per ml ratio gear like it's
the damn holy grail???

What is too high?

Well the length of the ester is
really what determines that but most of us here know
the gear that hurts and know we know why. All tests
over 250 mgs per ml hurt, and actually most of the 250
mg tests hurt too. SOOOO many people want there tren
at 150-200 mgs per ml. Tren acetate should be at about
what?? 75 mgs per ml. That is why all the kits are
designed this way. Do you really think it's cheaper
for the kit producers to add MORE oil to their kits
instead of less? One other quick note. Oil is used
because it SLOWS absorption. THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT
YOU WANT IN A STEROID SHOT! Less oil does not promote
the steady state hormone levels achieved with more oil.

[unclem]

i cant believe test undec is only 62 mg of actual test of 100mg of ester. i love that shit its real long acting but now the dose will increase to the diagram posted by pain.

[Biggin]

MG to MG, no Test compares to Suspension Imo. Suspension is the Best Test one can run on a MG to MG basis..

[PAiN]

MG to MG, no Test compares to Suspension Imo. Suspension is the Best Test one can run on a MG to MG basis..


I agree. More injects daily, but definately worth it!

[Kirk B]

wow great post,, The blend 10 i got 100mg prop, 100mg nnp, and 100mg masterone, hurts like a bitch to the point where i can barley move now i see why they say not for beginners if i felt that pain when i first started juicein i would have not done it !!!!! lol:D

[SD1959]

i cant believe test undec is only 62 mg of actual test of 100mg of ester. i love that shit its real long acting but now the dose will increase to the diagram posted by pain.

Cheer up: the longer the ester, the longer the circulating buildup in your system which definitely changes the playing field:)

[BrotherIron]

Is that NPP on that list? I have a hard time believing that NPP is 67 and Nan Dec is 64. I would have put NPP at much higher than just 3mg more.

[unclem]

i agree with PAIN & BIGGIN, test suspension is the best gear mg for mg basis. its my favorite drug, followed by anadrol, cyp.

[Biggin]

Suspension
Tren
Primo

[mdr]

MG to MG, no Test compares to Suspension Imo. Suspension is the Best Test one can run on a MG to MG basis..

Just did ten days of susp at the end of my last cycle-had to work it in bacause it was past it's date, and the results were very good, much better than I remember. It's been awhile, but I was very impressed.

[Biggin]

Suspension stays in my Arsenal at all times!!

[Night]

As soon as my cupboard is empty of high mg/ml Test (Sus4Fifty for now), I will NEVER attempt to run one of these high mg/ml's again. I will take 2 pins a day versus pinning a spot with this stuff that is still sore as shit a week later.

My ass is hurting as I sit here since I've pin'd left and right glut on my last two pins!!!

Loved this post.

[chr]

Nice information here, thanks.

So when planning or calculating quantities to take should you take into account the actual ester mg/100mg dose?

For example; Test cyp is 70mg per 100mg dose according to the above. So if I wanted to pin 100mg of Test cyp, I would adjust it to approx 1.43ml of juice?

Basically I'm asking; when talking about what to take and cycle and quantities are we talking the given mg/1ml on the vial or the actual ester adjusted amounts?

Thanks

[Flathead]

Simple, your a pussy!!


Seriously, good read!

[mdr]

Simple, your a pussy!!


Seriously, good read!

I think a lot of us just develop a tolerance for the pain after years of use.

[theartofwar]

I'll never forget first plunge i was terrified, I like it now haha. Just like the gym - some people have to be motivated, im ripshit when I cannot train.

Good read - only shot i don't like s supertest450 , burns like hellllll - id damn near do a 1/1 cut w/crisco before using it straight again hahahaha.

[Pointer1]

I just finished some prop that left me sore as hell. No shit I looked funny crawling in and out of my vehicle. I pinned both cheeks in one week swear shit was sore for a week.

[D BO]

good read Pain.

[WidowMaker]

Good read PAiN.
Yep, there is a tolerance level to reach and everyone is different.

[TexasAQHA]

:) Another good read.... All I can say is Tren E and Test E and be done with it!

[BIGBOSS]

I think I have gotten used to the pain. I always go with the right or left deltoid. I will admit that sometimes I can't do shoulder workout for 2 to 3 days after darting the deltoid.This was a good fucking read though. Super informative!!!

[mth496]

Some of my shots hurt, i noticed if i did not give the alchohol on my injection spot enought time to dry up, it would burn on the way in.

[clae1]

really good read. thankyou

[mth496]

No problemo broski.

[lost1]

very good read thanks PAiN

[BigH]

Learned alot from this section....thanks for the info bro's.

[neoclassical]

Nice post, thanks!

[Ilb34]

Awesome post bro. I took my first pin two days ago (test e 250mg) and feel like someone smashed my thigh with baseball bat. Also, got flu like symptoms. I am one tough dude played four years college as a LB through many injuries. But this sucks! Curious about some pip tips from some of you vets.

[tmwoodley]

Great read... TY

[tmwoodley]

Awesome post bro. I took my first pin two days ago (test e 250mg) and feel like someone smashed my thigh with baseball bat. Also, got flu like symptoms. I am one tough dude played four years college as a LB through many injuries. But this sucks! Curious about some pip tips from some of you vets.
I Stay away from the thighs because it knocks me down every time!!! I only pin gluteus, delts or pecs. and they go smooth as pie! I have read about pinning lats and traps but I have not been brave enough to hit those yet......

[Spawn]

I didnt read all the previous posts so im sure your question has been answered since there is a bunch of knowledgable guys here, but it can be alot of things like the amount of BA being used, hitting the wrong spot, injecting too much or injecting to much too fast... I find the best method is to inject slow, warm the plunger up before injection and rub the injected area for about a solid min after injection.

[maximum]

How does the Ethyl Oleate work? I recently got a Bulldog Labs test blend and it pinned great compared to the Zaralone test blend... they're pretty much the same product but from different labs from what I can tell. But anyway... anyone know HOW the ethyl oleate works? Is it better than just the oil alone?

[Skipdigler]

Great Post Pain! Thanks

[315 BEAST]

Great post thanks for the info

[D-RED]

good read

[gusgus]

thanks PAIN, helpful info

[chavez3]

Really great post. I had no idea about some of that info. Knowledge is king.

[mike666]

good info man

[megaman11]

Great info to know man! Had a few guys ask me why it hurt and now i can tell them exactly WHY.

[Sleeper]

Great info Pain. Explains why I got that sterile abscess from some Test 500. Won't ever puss out with the pins again. Way better to double up on the inj than to deal with that crap!

[peewee]

Good read. Thanks

[Boltbreaker]

My ass is staring to feel it a little more now that I bumped the Sust to 975 and 600 EQ x2 per week for sure.. BTW i rotate Delts and Glutes. I have a high mg to ml and whatever.. It doesnt bother me much as I am use to it over soo many cycles before. No Pain No Gain and the benefits outweigh a tad bit of soreness. I love shot day :cool:

[MrAvg]

Excellent read - thanks

[slinsane]

informative post pain, thanks for the info

[Gopro]

SO when we say we are running 500mgs a week of test we reallly are not? Damn, that maes me happy, now i get it pin more cc's!!!!!!!

[deflatedme]

I also find a new spot hurts a bit more then a tried and true spot. maybe its just me..

[kuntrykok]

My ass is staring to feel it a little more now that I bumped the Sust to 975 and 600 EQ x2 per week for sure.. BTW i rotate Delts and Glutes. I have a high mg to ml and whatever.. It doesnt bother me much as I am use to it over soo many cycles before. No Pain No Gain and the benefits outweigh a tad bit of soreness. I love shot day :cool:

What days you pin for twice a week?

[creekrat]

Love this as most people either don't know or care. Also consider that the hormone, even though in oil, is still a solid and that it has a crystaline structure. When your muscle absorbs this crystaline substance it causes micro tears in said muscle. The shorter the ester the faster the hormone is absorbed and more immediate damage done to the muscle. Keep in mind that this is on a microscopic scale but also contributes to scar tissue from pinning.

[08gsxr]

I agree with TexasAQHA. Test and Tren and call it a day! I love some long ester. But then again nothing like that fast acting short ester!

[Redrock65]

Great info , Thanks Pain

[707boy]

shit i remember the first time ever pinning some test e 250 fuck i got pip so bad for a week then on the 2nd injection i changed gluts and boom that leg was next for a week lol i had to put a pillow in the car to sit down on lol i called my friend and asked him if it was going to be like this ever time and he just laughed and said you get use to it. ever one at work asked why i was limping i just said i did a killer leg work out :1yV6Nvx5YaqVTVy.jpg damn virgin muscle

[95skin]

Havent had pip in long time but shot some bold ace , whole nother animal rt there lol

[bigpimpdaddy]

Glad you guys bumped this topic back up to the surface again..
Always a great read and reminds me of what really add to the pain in the ass...LOL
Thanks for this original post pain..
I have so many people ask me this same question all the time.

[davethaflave]

I had some gear like this before and I would always mix my enanthate with my eq in the shot and I guess that balanced things out.

[dc_812000]

Good read my man.

[masteratarms]

bacteria grows in water faster and more often than oil I have always been afraid to run suspension for this reason ne thoughts?

[CTFaygo]

This was a good read because I was just about to post "Why the hell does my shoulder feel like I got stabbed with a switchblade" LOL. I was just pinning Test E 250 at 1 ml per pin and was having little/no pain in that area. Decided to bump up to 1.5 ml and holy hell that shit is sitting in there like a golf ball. I was concerned that the area somehow got infected even though I alcohol swap everything before pinning...bottle stopper, delt, pin, etc. Smells like a hospital in my bathroom on pin days. Now I know that if I want to up the dosage in one spot it's gonna hurt. Oh well. Worth it. Hahahaha.

[1tuffcookie]

^^^^^ Bump that Bro.
I recently did 1cc super test 400 and I looked like I had J-LO ass and felt like I got kicked by a horse. Felt like that for a week. NEVER again.. Will use it to mix with on a run

[germ20]

Great info! Thanks Pain

[riverbear]

Bump.

If you don't wanna hurt stay away from stealth super test 450. That stuff brutal!

[K-Shyne]

This answered a lot of questions!

[K-Shyne]

Suspension is definitely the best mg to mg

[NutritionGame]

good forum good info!!

[Immortal]

EO is extremely painful for me

[itsmegod]

Well now i know why my ASS hurts! thank you!

[kawa636]

Well now i know why my ASS hurts! thank you!
Bro first time i did cyp it fuckin hurt
8 days at a time for first for weeks.after awhile ur muscles get use to it and pain is not so frequent

[itsmegod]

Bro first time i did cyp it fuckin hurt
8 days at a time for first for weeks.after awhile ur muscles get use to it and pain is not so frequent

Well let's hope this goes away quickly! Thank man

[benlash74]

I was just going through old post and came across this one. I ordered some supertest 450 and the pain is one thing bit the swelling is alarming. My buddy started on supertest when I did and he was freaking out like he got some bad gear. My injection sites didn't swell up too bad the first two shots but this third one looks like I got a tennis ball sewn into my ass. Pretty damn sore also. Now I know what's causing this at least. Great article! Back to the cyp 250 for me.

[GoProp]

Very informative read :)

[parkcitytrainer]

Great article! I just bought a lot of Test 500. If it's too painful to shoot, what is the best way to thin it out? Do I need to sterilize some glass, buy oil, buy BA, buy BB, cook it, filter it, add my test500, filter it into new containers? Or is there an easier way to dilute?

[Anabolic Plus]

Great article! I just bought a lot of Test 500. If it's too painful to shoot, what is the best way to thin it out? Do I need to sterilize some glass, buy oil, buy BA, buy BB, cook it, filter it, add my test500, filter it into new containers? Or is there an easier way to dilute?

Yes add it into whatever else you're using. i assume you're not just using the T500 on its own, so let's assume your using some tren or deca or whatever. the extra oil from the other compound can help with diluting it. that always worked for me but then again i have quit using the higher mg test. if you're not using anything else then you may have to look at other options.

[parkcitytrainer]

I'm using some deca too. I'll try mixing them.

[Anabolic Plus]

I'm using some deca too. I'll try mixing them.

This should help let us know how you make out.

[nextar2]

I using prop 100mg and tren a 50 mg ed

[ironman53]

excellent information,,,thanks bro

[Rubix1]

Good stuff pain.

[Teddy bear]

Test suspension feels like someone took a baseball bat to what ever site I have used it in but great results

[FutureIFBBProJARow23]

The type of oil used can make a big difference too. Ethyl please for example can cause swelling, soreness and test flu symptoms to someone who is allergic to the oil.

[Workn1t]

If I'm running test blend 400 thats really painful, will splitting the shot into 2 help with pip? For example .5ml in each delt/quad instead of the full ml on one side?

[bigeyed]

If I'm running test blend 400 thats really painful, will splitting the shot into 2 help with pip? For example .5ml in each delt/quad instead of the full ml on one side?
That's what I had to do when I was running T400. The pip wasn't worth it so I went to 1/2 cc every few days. Still had pip but was bearable to manage. I was pinning virgin quads. Lol, never do that again.

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[Workn1t]

That's what I had to do when I was running T400. The pip wasn't worth it so I went to 1/2 cc every few days. Still had pip but was bearable to manage. I was pinning virgin quads. Lol, never do that again.

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That's where I'm at, i always pinned delts never quads, then someone told me that id get more out of my gear if i pinned quads threw some 400 in there and didn't walk right four a week, been somewhat apprehrnsive to do it again

[cricketnoise]

Suspension
Tren
Primo

Yes please share your experience with primo with me. Length of time sides weekly amounts.i love tren e and test prop test e throw some oral winny in there happy happy cricket.



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[Scatpack392]

Can someone enlighten me on the issue of people pinning with insulin needles? I have been hearing they pin delta tris calves traps. Anyone hear of this?

[Steel Beast]

When I first started I was getting a lot of pip and a doctor friend of mine gave me some good advice if you use a alcohol pad to clean like you should before you pin let the spot dry all the way before you pin cause the alcohol will cause pip I started doing that and never get pip plus pin good gear

[korsaire]

hade the same with denkall t 400 happen just once of the many time i pinned



That's where I'm at, i always pinned delts never quads, then someone told me that id get more out of my gear if i pinned quads threw some 400 in there and didn't walk right four a week, been somewhat apprehrnsive to do it again

[Workn1t]

When I first started I was getting a lot of pip and a doctor friend of mine gave me some good advice if you use a alcohol pad to clean like you should before you pin let the spot dry all the way before you pin cause the alcohol will cause pip I started doing that and never get pip plus pin good gear

I think that the good gear part is the most important. Whenever i get really good gear i don't get any pip whatsoever. Cheap gear like i used to get from alin rally hurts. That's why I'm here

[Big-Dawg]

Can someone enlighten me on the issue of people pinning with insulin needles? I have been hearing they pin delta tris calves traps. Anyone hear of this?
Easy to pin with slin pins,less scar tissue to create...As long as your lean enough a 29 or 30g works just fine...PIP can be caused by many factors... Best thing is to make sure you do your part in sterilization, like said above alcohol wipes,on skin and rubber stoppers...Yes let alcohol when you wipe your inj site down dry a lil before pinning or your going to push a lil in causing discomfort...Anyone dosing high mg product you can't avoid PIP,if you don't get any on it your product is underdosed...High mg would even be TestE or C 400...

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[Scatpack392]

so as long as the injection site is lean so that the short needle can penetrate the muscle I should be fine? Is there a specific spot I should be trying to hit when injecting on different muscles? For example the head of the delta or the head of the tris?

[Thappy]

Easy to pin with slin pins,less scar tissue to create...As long as your lean enough a 29 or 30g works just fine...PIP can be caused by many factors... Best thing is to make sure you do your part in sterilization, like said above alcohol wipes,on skin and rubber stoppers...Yes let alcohol when you wipe your inj site down dry a lil before pinning or your going to push a lil in causing discomfort...Anyone dosing high mg product you can't avoid PIP,if you don't get any on it your product is underdosed...High mg would even be TestE or C 400...

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Are you the same Big-Dawg as on I hope not.....

[Big-Dawg]

Are you the same Big-Dawg as on professional muscle? I hope not.....
Yep sure am,you have a problem with that...

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[Thappy]

Yep sure am,you have a problem with that...

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I dont really care but have read the latest about you and your activities..

[Big-Dawg]

Are you the same Big-Dawg as on xxxxxx I hope not.....
If you do talk to DWOB the Mod on this forum...

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[Thappy]

If you do talk to DWOB the Mod on this forum...

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No worries

Oh are you 6ft or 6'3 you kept changing your mind elsewhere...

[Big-Dawg]

No worries

Oh are you 6ft or 6'3 you kept changing your mind elsewhere...
Okay Thappy DWOB will take care of you here,you don't have xxxxxx to save you...Leave your drama on Xxxxxx where the homos hang out at lil man...

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[Thappy]

Lol little man... At least i dont post other people pictures and claim them as me....

If you actually read i dont have anyone save me at all.

[Big-Dawg]

Lol little man... At least i dont post other people pictures and claim them as me....

If you actually read xxxxx i dont have anyone save me at all.
You will if you wanna keep this up...Xxxx is a fraud Board it's Administration is a joke,looks like you are also...And guess What dumb ass I am Lee already proved you dummy...

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[kubes]

Let's not discuss other boards nothing production comes from that.

[Big-Dawg]

Let's not discuss other boards nothing production comes from that.
I am saying exact same,this is 3rd one from there being a sheep...

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[kubes]

I edited the posts so now let's just keep things clean

[suki]

Awesome info, Thanks! :1388775529:
Awesome info, Thanks!

[Clangnbangn]

Good read! Thanks for the inPain!

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[Clangnbangn]

Good read! Thanks for the inPain!

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[big tom]

Good info, i agree

[alexfer612]

Great info, wasn't aware of the differences between suspension and oil based anabolics

[Jrs1]

I got some Test Cyp from a source that is on this site. Bought It from a friend two months ago. Awful pip. Swollen ass, redness with every injection. I won’t call them out, shit ain’t right and I just joined this site. Most likely excess alcohol. Can’t even finish the bottle. Back on my fuckin Androgel till I can find some quality source. Brutal.

[Oldskool]

I got some Test Cyp from a source that is on this site. Bought It from a friend two months ago. Awful pip. Swollen ass, redness with every injection. I won’t call them out, shit ain’t right and I just joined this site. Most likely excess alcohol. Can’t even finish the bottle. Back on my fuckin Androgel till I can find some quality source. Brutal.That really sucks. Maybe try mixing it with another test cyp.

Use a tiny bit of the bad one with allot of the good one for each injection.

And obviously dont pin it right before leg day lol

Im a cheap bastard so id try like hell to use it up lol

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[Oldskool]

Thanks for the info!

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[Jrs1]

That’s actually not a bad idea. I mean the test is real after all, it’s just not that clean I believe. A little with the good stuff could work. I too am a cheap ass Lol. Thanks Brother.

[WILDGAME]

hade the same with denkall t 400 happen just once of the many time i pinnedI hit my quad once. NEVER AGAIN! Ended up at doc with swollen thigh clean down to one cap. Still not sure what I did wrong. Pinning nowhere but the buttock area for me. Learned my lesson!

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[Oldskool]

I hit my quad once. NEVER AGAIN! Ended up at doc with swollen thigh clean down to one cap. Still not sure what I did wrong. Pinning nowhere but the buttock area for me. Learned my lesson!

Sent from my SM-G892A using TapatalkWhen i fudty started pinning quads it was freakin aweful! But after pinning very small amounts they got used to it.

I still wont pin anywhere but glutes or upper body if ik leg day is near

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[WILDGAME]

When i fudty started pinning quads it was freakin aweful! But after pinning very small amounts they got used to it.

I still wont pin anywhere but glutes or upper body if ik leg day is near

Sent from my SM-G965U using TapatalkI'm thinking I missed the muscle and hit canal between muscle groups. How I missed the muscle and hit between is beyond me. Being I'm not sure what went wrong I can't be sure to correct it.


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[WILDGAME]

I hit my quad once. NEVER AGAIN! Ended up at doc with swollen thigh clean down to one cap. Still not sure what I did wrong. Pinning nowhere but the buttock area for me. Learned my lesson!

Sent from my SM-G892A using TapatalkI'm scared!
Many, many Years ago I got one of those redimade prepackaged susta. Test. Was even In a glass syringe! Came from Mexico. Can't remember the gauge of the dart but it was large. I had a little Nissan standard truck. Could barley drive it because the pain was so bad when I went to press the clutch. This had to be 20yrs ago or more.

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[Oldskool]

I'm thinking I missed the muscle and hit canal between muscle groups. How I missed the muscle and hit between is beyond me. Being I'm not sure what went wrong I can't be sure to correct it.


Sent from my SM-G892A using TapatalkYeah that is tough.

I dislike pretty much all infections other than glute.

The only thing i will say tho is if u plan on doing any kind of cyc lk es requiring large volumes of gear and/or a ridiculously large quantity of pins per week its so much easier to have multiple spot injection options.

But yeah im not a fan either lol.

Only reason i work in pins in other places than my glute is the reason i listed above.



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[Amjodor]

Most painful gear I’ve shot by far is anadrol. Tren no ester doesn’t feel too hot either.


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[bodybuilderlover]

Actually I felt hurt after shooting Trt and HGH,I don't know why
Most painful gear I’ve shot by far is anadrol. Tren no ester doesn’t feel too hot either.


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[Oldskool]

Most painful gear I’ve shot by far is anadrol. Tren no ester doesn’t feel too hot either.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSo far the most painful is a pwo blend of tne 50mg, tren, drol 25mg, dbol 25mg.

But man i feel like a god after pinning lol

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[OrangeCat]

Very useful info,Thx.

[astevens2]

Ya I've done suspension pre workout and it would swell up the next day and took some time to come down again.

[Slickrickybobby]

I started a cycle begining of september 1cc 250 sust, 1.5 cc 300 eq. Ass swole had flu symptoms. It wasn't like a dirty swollen ass symptom tho. Stopped the eq. After two weeks. Felt great on just sust. No pip at all. Finished up then did test E and mast. Ass swole flu symptoms. Felt like test flu but never have problem with test alone. Anything????

[Alpha Omega]

I wondered how much Mr. Pain liked typing "Pain" (his forum name) in this article!

This is a very good read. There ARE options to lessen the crystallization once inside the muscle. We have been working on something in the background for almost a year now and we are JUST about ready to release some "things" I'm sure those "sensitive" to pain will appreciate.

Thanks Pain, I read it twice

[cakeman2]

Ive actually had painless dhb. props to the chef.

But tne in oil is perhaps the best. It doesnt feel like someone hit you with a sledgehammer and you do feel the rush that comes with tne waterbased - the increased rate of bacterial growth and chance of infection.

[1000daysasthelion]

always wonder why that was. If you do Subq will it still hurt? that's what i do for trt.

[Bb885]

I got some Test Cyp from a source that is on this site. Bought It from a friend two months ago. Awful pip. Swollen ass, redness with every injection. I won’t call them out, shit ain’t right and I just joined this site. Most likely excess alcohol. Can’t even finish the bottle. Back on my fuckin Androgel till I can find some quality source. Brutal.

I only had one bottle of sust that hurt. Everything else from one of the companies on here was great, including customer service


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[Fomoco]

Very informative post. Finally somebody cleared that shit up. I've even heard the "It's cheap if it doesn't hurt" . The method you use can also play an important role in pipe. Too fast=no good

[kerrphins]

Good read. Started super test last week and it’s been killing me. Ass hurts like bitch and my quad feels like I got with a hammer in it lol

[littlefatlittleold]

Hi Brothers,
Im brand new to steriods had my first injection last night (by myself never did it before) I watched heaps of youtube (clean, clean clean) my issue is my hammy hurts,
I used vita test E 250mg/ml (.4ml)
and
Vita Mast E 200 mg/ml (.8 ml)
also take 30mg ****** Anavar everyday.

Should I still train if it hurts, its not unbearable but like a big bruise pain.

Thanks in advance

[kubes]

Hi Brothers,
Im brand new to steriods had my first injection last night (by myself never did it before) I watched heaps of youtube (clean, clean clean) my issue is my hammy hurts,
I used vita test E 250mg/ml (.4ml)
and
Vita Mast E 200 mg/ml (.8 ml)
also take 30mg ****** Anavar everyday.

Should I still train if it hurts, its not unbearable but like a big bruise pain.

Thanks in advance

Is it red, swollen, warm to the touch? I wouldn’t let it stop you from training but watch for those symptoms and a fever. That could mean infection but it’s probably just pip fro a virgin muscle

[Jetblack14316]

Hi Brothers,
Im brand new to steriods had my first injection last night (by myself never did it before) I watched heaps of youtube (clean, clean clean) my issue is my hammy hurts,
I used vita test E 250mg/ml (.4ml)
and
Vita Mast E 200 mg/ml (.8 ml)
also take 30mg ****** Anavar everyday.

Should I still train if it hurts, its not unbearable but like a big bruise pain.

Thanks in advance

There could be several reasons why it hurt. What muscle did you pin? What size pin? I had the same questions initially and there isn’t any pin the first time that’ll be pip free and almost feel like a bruise. It’s just not how muscles work you know? You will get used to it. Wait until you pin the VG wrong...that shit sucks. Two biggest pieces of advice that helped me when I first stared pinning.

1. Heat the oil. I use a coffee maker heating pad and set the vial on there for 3, 5 minute intervals then draws and pin.

2. Slin pins will change your life. I backload and some say it’s a pain. I haven’t noticed any issues with my bloods or test levels, how I feel or any of that and it’s ALMOST painless.

Hope this helps


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[littlefatlittleold]

Thanks guys,
Its not red, swollen or warm to the touch, I used a 23gauge 1 inch needle in the vastus laterlis.

[Dirtydog75]

Nothing hurts as long as DHB. I have had 3 buddies try it now and every one of them had to stop after 3 or 4 pins. I have ran it a few times but it's a pain literally.

I had a brewer get me to experiment with some injectable proviron he wanted to try out. Umm here DHB hold my beer ! Holy fucking shit it was awful. The entire muscle sweels for a week. My left shoulder looked like it came off Jay Cutler and it hurts something terrible.

[DinoDelt]

good read thanks