hgh/slin protocol gh15 style

[j-raw-hate]

Hey there everybody , Iv never personally ran slin its always been out of my comfort zone so to say just aas and shorter runs on gh. I have been sort of researching it for the most part just for informational purposes and future knowledge. Iv always been taught to use a dose of gh in the morning in a fasted state and that's how IV always done it . But before I go and do another run IV been checking out other various protocols for it. I know most ppl think gh15 was a bunch of bs quackery but in the past I have had some surprising success using certain anabolic protocols from the (bible). I recently read up on his thoughts for how to use gh/slin together,it goes along the lines of taking dose of gh upon waking, when blood sugar drops within 10-30 min we then take in sugars from banana and pineapples along with a double shot of insulin to take up for the blood sugar drop that gh caused and a secondary dose to have the actual slin in the system you were chasing to begin with. Now like I said I dont plan on inc.slin into my regime anytime soon but just for informational purposes does this sound right to anyone at all??? Any info from experienced slin users is greatly appreciated. Thanks

[bobhead]

I'd check out mike arnolds slin protocol.

[mastermolnar]

Ummmmm... well thats a little misinformed. Insulin does not "makr up for low blood sugar"..... it essentially restarts your bodies blood sugar which is why you need to take in 7-10iu of hgi carbs shortly after insulin injection. That protocol sounds scary as fuck and if you read that correctly id stay away from that material. Ive carb cycled with insulin before and have had some scary crashes but was completely prepared and safe. To start out in a low blood sugar state and take not one but TWO doses of insulin (I guess depending on dose), with no mention of carb intake... is insane and asking for a hypoglycemic coma

[bobhead]

I'm pretty sure you read the wrong article.

[mastermolnar]

I'm pretty sure you read the wrong article.

I assume youre talking to the OP. The article that was referenced seems like it was either misunderstood by the OP or Written by a total douche. I only take advice on gear, training and diet from my friends and people I trust on the boards.... not a book some dude wrote

[bobhead]

I assume youre talking to the OP. The article that was referenced seems like it was either misunderstood by the OP or Written by a total douche. I only take advice on gear, training and diet from my friends and people I trust on the boards.... not a book some dude wrote

You are rather ignorant and disrespectful, you should probably go to a different forum, this isn't the place for you.

[mastermolnar]

You are rather ignorant and disrespectful, you should probably go to a different forum, this isn't the place for you.

Well I dont see how im disrespecting anyone. Just trying to help with my own personal experience with slin. If I offended you or the OP I apologize but the way im reading the original post makes it sound dangerous and underinformed. And I was answering the question posed by the OP.... that does not sound right to me. It sounds dangerous. Ive gathered my understanding of everything through some research and then basically doing just this... posting and asking questions and getting answers which I then put into action to gain a personal understanding of how things work for me. So lets not derail any further off the topic which is helping to INFORM one another....

Op... there are some really great protocols but basically depending on the release time of your insulin you...
1. Shot of insulin (however many iu)
2. Have your carb shake (10g dextrose per iu of insulin, 50g protein, 5g glutamine , 5g creatine, water/milk and ice... I actually take 50mg viagra with this shake)
3. When your insulin is active ( I use novolin r which is active at 1hr and peaks at 2.5-3 hrs post inject) eat a full meal including proteins carbs and minimal fats
4. Around 2 hours I drink another bcaa/5gcreatine drink and then eat another meal around then as well.
* drink plenty of water throughout this
* make sure to have glucose tabs on hand in case you start yo feel hypoglycemic

This is the exact protocol I use and I have tailored my carbs down to 7g/iu to avoid an excess storage in fat cells. I usually follow this protocol after I workout simply because theres so much eating and timing that its tough to workout that full

[enrod]

Op... there are some really great protocols but basically depending on the release time of your insulin you...
1. Shot of insulin (however many iu)
2. Have your carb shake (10g dextrose per iu of insulin, 50g protein, 5g glutamine , 5g creatine, water/milk and ice... I actually take 50mg viagra with this shake)
3. When your insulin is active ( I use novolin r which is active at 1hr and peaks at 2.5-3 hrs post inject) eat a full meal including proteins carbs and minimal fats
4. Around 2 hours I drink another bcaa/5gcreatine drink and then eat another meal around then as well.
* drink plenty of water throughout this
* make sure to have glucose tabs on hand in case you start yo feel hypoglycemic

This is the exact protocol I use and I have tailored my carbs down to 7g/iu to avoid an excess storage in fat cells. I usually follow this protocol after I workout simply because theres so much eating and timing that its tough to workout that full

Sounds a lot like the mike Arnold approach. Mind if I ask, from your experience, do you only shoot slin in the am or am and preworkout? What about on rest days?


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[mastermolnar]

Depends on the day. I obviously slin cycle.... month on month off (at least) and I generally do afternoon during the week and morning and afternoon on weekends since the insulin I use is generally only effective for about 6 hrs

[enrod]

Depends on the day. I obviously slin cycle.... month on month off (at least) and I generally do afternoon during the week and morning and afternoon on weekends since the insulin I use is generally only effective for about 6 hrs

So every day, regardless whether you are training or not?


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[bobhead]

I assume youre talking to the OP. The article that was referenced seems like it was either misunderstood by the OP or Written by a total douche. I only take advice on gear, training and diet from my friends and people I trust on the boards.... not a book some dude wrote

You're insulting people, yet you know nothing about them!

Mike Arnold is the Guerrilla Chemist. He wrote the insulin article under the alias "Mike Arnold" several years ago.
He is a MA in organic and biochemistry, former bodybuilding competitor. He's the formulator for Blackstone Labs, one of most innovative supplement companies today.
The guy has the Guerrilla Chemist Podcast where freely discusses supplement science, nutrition, anabolic steroids, all sorts of bodybuilding related things.
He breaks down chemistry and shares his information and finding every week on instagram.
I'd take his advice over some gym bros any day.

[enrod]

You're insulting people, yet you know nothing about them!

Mike Arnold is the Guerrilla Chemist. He wrote the insulin article under the alias "Mike Arnold" several years ago.
He is a MA in organic and biochemistry, former bodybuilding competitor. He's the formulator for Blackstone Labs, one of most innovative supplement companies today.
The guy has the Guerrilla Chemist Podcast where freely discusses supplement science, nutrition, anabolic steroids, all sorts of bodybuilding related things.
He breaks down chemistry and shares his information and finding every week on instagram.
I'd take his advice over some gym bros any day.

With all due respect bobhead, he was speaking of the OP's interpretation of the GH15 bible which is controversial in this sport due to it's reliance on chemical enhancement. And Molnar was right when he said using two doses of insulin back to back would be dangerous to ones health, and I think it was a misunderstanding on the OP's part or Molnar's understanding of the OP's response. I have read the GH15 bible and it does not say to dose insulin back to back. Either way, this argument between you two is not educating anyone.

No one is bashing Mike Arnold, his insulin protocals are the best known protocals for any new users of slin; I intend to use his coming up this off season for my first go at slin. Lets try to keep things on topic, as I too am interested to learn more of adding slin to my arsenal from those who use it themselves.

[mastermolnar]

So every day, regardless whether you are training or not?


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Well no... I guess I shouldve mentioned that. When im on cycle I train everyday and I only use slin if I train

[mastermolnar]

You're insulting people, yet you know nothing about them!

Mike Arnold is the Guerrilla Chemist. He wrote the insulin article under the alias "Mike Arnold" several years ago.
He is a MA in organic and biochemistry, former bodybuilding competitor. He's the formulator for Blackstone Labs, one of most innovative supplement companies today.
The guy has the Guerrilla Chemist Podcast where freely discusses supplement science, nutrition, anabolic steroids, all sorts of bodybuilding related things.
He breaks down chemistry and shares his information and finding every week on instagram.
I'd take his advice over some gym bros any day.

Just as enrod posted... I wasnt referring to mike arnold in any way. I didnt mention him at all. I only referenced the OPs post and then gave my own experience. Lets try and move on. Im not saying that I only listen to gym bros by the way... I read articles... books... studies.. but I never take anything I read into action before reviewing it with a few close friends that have decades in this game whom I trust with my life.

[bobhead]

There was a misunderstanding, I thought you were calling Mike Arnold a douche.

[mastermolnar]

There was a misunderstanding, I thought you were calling Mike Arnold a douche.

No dude. Tbh I didnt even know who mike arnold was. I read a few of his articles on slin and gh after this whole misunderstanding ensued and definitely one of the more knowledgeable online gurus ive come across. So thanks for the introduction to his work. I follow a lot of the same protocols and I like his thoroughness in his explanations... and in real talk... not this "hard-to-interpret" chemist explanation (despite his background). I feel like a lot of the information gets lost in translation from scientific to lamens term

[j-raw-hate]

Thank you guys I'm going to check out the mike Arnold protocol just to see different ways ppl are using this hormone safely. Like I said I have lots more research to do before I even consider running insulin its always been scary as shit to me mainly because I don't know anyone who runs it personally as a p-e-d only diabetics. So I will definitely revise the gh 15 article I read also to make sure I didnt misinterpret it, the dude/dudes who are gh have very fudged up ways f writing.

[elmo33]

Insulin tips.
MORE is NOT better.
Find your safe carbs/iu by starting high (10g/iu) and lowering as tolerated.
Buy a glucometer and glucose tabs and keep them on you at all times.
to minimize fat gain use slin in the times you can store the nutrients intramuscularly so it's not stored as adipose tissue.
If your not using HgH I wouldn't use on non training days.
6 week cycles 3-4 days a week or you will build insulin resistance quickly. You can use metformin on off days to increase insulin sensitivity.

[Biglexi]

Keep it coming boys !!!!! This off season I really want to try slin. Already have it in my fridge. Very much intrigued by it but just like everybody else I want to do this safely but effectively


Always follow your dreams

[Thappy]

insulin is so highly independent of the person one should never read and take doses mentioned. Always start ultra low and work your way up in dose and the opposite in carb intake

[Biglexi]

insulin is so highly independent of the person one should never read and take doses mentioned. Always start ultra low and work your way up in dose and the opposite in carb intake

Totally agree. One have to learn how his body reacts to it and go from there.


Always follow your dreams

[mastermolnar]

insulin is so highly independent of the person one should never read and take doses mentioned. Always start ultra low and work your way up in dose and the opposite in carb intake

Exactly. Its serious business. Id say a safe starting point for just about anyone is 5iu post workout with 10g dex per iu. Im highly sensitive to insulin and had to chomp glucose tabs when I started that exact dose. Took me a little while to get used to it before I eventually went down with my dex a bit and then worked my way up in iu... always starting with a slightly higher ratio of dex to slin as I adjusted to the dosage increase.


Important thing with insulin.... make sure (in the beginning especially) that you have a good amount of time to yourself that day and if you go out anywhere to be prepared with gatorade, glucose tabs, a full meal and plenty of water on hand. Ideally when firat starting out you should hit your workout.. hit your post workout slin shot... then just hang out and eat all day at home. Thats literally the best case scenario in my opinion

[ryanwrath]

When running slin I always eat first THEN take slin. As long as you have food in you, and not going over 10 iu, pretty easy to stay safe. Also if you are running 10 iu the peaks are roughly 5iu peaks. So pre and post workout regimens do work well. Just know what's coming, a good mix of fast slow carbs I like. Easy to suck all auger oit when working out tho. Just barely made it a few times to the buffet right down street from gym. Cleared the whole thing out. Running 2 doses like tjat is doable, but better ne ready. Once it's in, it's in. No taking it back out.

[Thappy]

To be honest on humalog i lose my pump on anything less than 15iu i like around 20iu and about 150gm of carbs that i sip as soon as i pin right through to the end of the training. then a solid meal straight after.

Its all about finding the right spot and no matter how use to or knowelgable about slin, always have a quick carb source handy.

[mastermolnar]

I know a dude that mistakenly did a full ml of slin... yes... 100 iu. Literally sat down with a bucket of dex and at the shit by the spoon full. So obviouslg make sure you are not injecting slin with an IM pin like that dumbass. Thank god he realized right after he did it.