Bf% matter before starting first cycle?

[Boombalaty]

So im about ready to start my first cycle and im wondering if there is an optimal bf range. Im still loosing fat atm but i want to get the most out of the cycle. Im going to guess im around 18 to 20% now.

[fitraver]

So im about ready to start my first cycle and im wondering if there is an optimal bf range. Im still loosing fat atm but i want to get the most out of the cycle. Im going to guess im around 18 to 20% now.

The lower your body fat the more optimal it is going to be for your cycle. I think most people on here would recommend at least 15% or under. Not to say you can cycle where you are at, but you would get more more out of it and be likely to have less sides at a lower body fat percentage.

THE BIGGEST key for a successful cycle is your diet so you want to have that absolutely in check. Eat at a caloric deficit for awhile and get yourself used to sticking to a diet day in and day out and you'll drop fat without needing gear. Once youve got your bf down and are seeing more muscle showing and definition and want to build then work on your first cycle.

Just my opinion but I think you'd be best served waiting and dieting down naturally at first!

[Boombalaty]

Thanks Fit. My diet is decent and i have been at it for abput 9 months now. My goal when starting was to loose fat and build muscle slowly so i did not get burnt out or get into something that was not sustainable long term. Lately i seem to have plateaued and am stuck at about 209ish. I started out at 234. I see myself leaning out but i cant seem to get rid of this bit of belly. I know i am on the right track but i want to speed up the process. I was in 36s that were a bit tight and now im in 34s with a belt to keep em up.

[fitraver]

Thanks Fit. My diet is decent and i have been at it for abput 9 months now. My goal when starting was to loose fat and build muscle slowly so i did not get burnt out or get into something that was not sustainable long term. Lately i seem to have plateaued and am stuck at about 209ish. I started out at 234. I see myself leaning out but i cant seem to get rid of this bit of belly. I know i am on the right track but i want to speed up the process. I was in 36s that were a bit tight and now im in 34s with a belt to keep em up.

That's good man. Congrats on the progress!

What's your diet at right now macro wise? What about your cardio?

[Boombalaty]

Im at 2100 cal a day with about a 30c/30f/40p macro. As of lately my cardio has been a bit less than usual. I try to hit cardio at least 4 days a week. Usually hiit on the elliptical 1 min high/1 min low for 30 min. Ive probably only done cardio 4 or 5 times in the last 2 weeks though.

[fitraver]

Im at 2100 cal a day with about a 30c/30f/40p macro. As of lately my cardio has been a bit less than usual. I try to hit cardio at least 4 days a week. Usually hiit on the elliptical 1 min high/1 min low for 30 min. Ive probably only done cardio 4 or 5 times in the last 2 weeks though.

I'm not sure what your tdee would be, but I would calculate that and shoot to eat at about 500 calories below that. Keep your protein high, back load your carbs so they're mostly post workout. Try hitting the hiit 4-5 days a week and you're bound to get past that plateau and keep shredding. If you're still at 30% carbs you got plenty of room to keep dropping that as well. I usually like to do it per lb more than a %. So say you're at 2.0g carbs/lb to start and then you start dropping those like .25g /lb each week (or every 2 weeks) just whenever you plateau either ad cardio or drop carbs or a combo. Simple and effective way to cut that always works. You don't wanna throw everything at it right away (super cut diet/tons of cardio/etc) because hen you have nowhere to go when you plateau. Sounds like you def have some room still both with food and adding cardio.

You could also try running an ECA stack with it to help you shred up. You could also run some clen if you wanted, but that is better ran with gear I feel to help you old muscle.

If you do decide to cycle still, Lots of info on here man. good luck!

[Boombalaty]

I guess i should try figuring out my tdee and maybe start from scratch and see what happens. When i get home ill see what i come up with. Thanks again for you input man!!

[Boombalaty]

I guess i should try figuring out my tdee and maybe start from scratch and see what happens. When i get home ill see what i come up with. Thanks again for you input man!!

[Anzel]

Good advice given!
The last of the belly fat! I hate it. Why won't you go away?

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[Boombalaty]

Fit, you mentioned an eca stack. Is there somewhere you can still find ephed? I did this many years ago first with old achool hydroxycut, then eventually just did white crosses from the truck stop asprin and no doze. Had really good results with both.

[fitraver]

Fit, you mentioned an eca stack. Is there somewhere you can still find ephed? I did this many years ago first with old achool hydroxycut, then eventually just did white crosses from the truck stop asprin and no doze. Had really good results with both.

If you can't get ephed (sponsors here have it I believe) You can use bronkaid if that's still a thing. I think it is. At least was last time I used it but that was a year ago or so. You get it from the Walmart pharmacy. It's not script but they keep it behind the counter still.

[Boombalaty]

Thanks brother. I just found it on another thread.

[JohnDoe]

Im at 2100 cal a day with about a 30c/30f/40p macro. As of lately my cardio has been a bit less than usual. I try to hit cardio at least 4 days a week. Usually hiit on the elliptical 1 min high/1 min low for 30 min. Ive probably only done cardio 4 or 5 times in the last 2 weeks though.


I'm not sure what your tdee would be, but I would calculate that and shoot to eat at about 500 calories below that. Keep your protein high, back load your carbs so they're mostly post workout. Try hitting the hiit 4-5 days a week and you're bound to get past that plateau and keep shredding. If you're still at 30% carbs you got plenty of room to keep dropping that as well. I usually like to do it per lb more than a %. So say you're at 2.0g carbs/lb to start and then you start dropping those like .25g /lb each week (or every 2 weeks) just whenever you plateau either ad cardio or drop carbs or a combo. Simple and effective way to cut that always works. You don't wanna throw everything at it right away (super cut diet/tons of cardio/etc) because hen you have nowhere to go when you plateau. Sounds like you def have some room still both with food and adding cardio.

You could also try running an ECA stack with it to help you shred up. You could also run some clen if you wanted, but that is better ran with gear I feel to help you old muscle.

If you do decide to cycle still, Lots of info on here man. good luck!
I would drop your caloric intake to 1700-1800 calories per day. Keep protein high. You'll wanna eat lots of chicken breasts as this has tons of protein without excessive calories. Protein shakes are a must...at least one per day. Just a few helpful hints from my experiences....

I'm also working on last bit of (lower) belly fat. The shit is so god damn stubborn. I'm about to run some DNP to rid of it.

Good luck man!!

[Boombalaty]

Thanks John. What is DNP?

[sledgehammer]

You could drop some of your fat intake, 30% is high while cutting. Carbs are for energy(so pre-wo for energy to train/pwo to refill glycogen stores). Carb cycling helps to. On off days u could literally go low-zero carbs. Hard training days like legs be your high days, then have a med day or avg.

Also nothing better for burning fat than fasted morning cardio. Its been debated, arguments for/against it on both sides. Its what the pros do and I got my leanest doing it. I'm not a morning person, so I loath it. But there is no getting around it. To loose BF, u need to train and do cardio. Unless u have freak genetics. I wish, lol

If you have been going at it for while, it can be helpful to break the monotony to switch to making some lean gains. The more muscle you have, the more calories u require. Some some new added muscle could help. But you could also add right back on the fat you lost, unless you have maintained your new weight for while.

Bf% does matter since more testosterone will be aromatized into estrogen. Its winter, I would say go for it. Still plenty of time left to dieting in the spring. Or compromise. Do 6 more weeks of dieting(loose 12lbs) and your reward is to do a cycle.

[JohnDoe]

You could drop some of your fat intake, 30% is high while cutting. Carbs are for energy(so pre-wo for energy to train/pwo to refill glycogen stores). Carb cycling helps to. On off days u could literally go low-zero carbs. Hard training days like legs be your high days, then have a med day or avg.

Also nothing better for burning fat than fasted morning cardio. Its been debated, arguments for/against it on both sides. Its what the pros do and I got my leanest doing it. I'm not a morning person, so I loath it. But there is no getting around it. To loose BF, u need to train and do cardio. Unless u have freak genetics. I wish, lol

If you have been going at it for while, it can be helpful to break the monotony to switch to making some lean gains. The more muscle you have, the more calories u require. Some some new added muscle could help. But you could also add right back on the fat you lost, unless you have maintained your new weight for while.

Bf% does matter since more testosterone will be aromatized into estrogen. Its winter, I would say go for it. Still plenty of time left to dieting in the spring. Or compromise. Do 6 more weeks of dieting(loose 12lbs) and your reward is to do a cycle.

^^ Words of Wisdom right here. Take this man's advice. [emoji1303]

Thanks Sledge! :)

[JohnDoe]

Thanks John. What is DNP?
I highly advise against using DNP until you've been at this for a while. Also, you need to educate yourself over and over before even thinking about using it. Then, seek advice if you have any lingering questions. DNP can be very dangerous and deadly if used improperly. With that being said, here's some info on it...


DNP - All you need to know (https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrotherhoodofpain%2Eco m%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D30364&share_tid=30364&share_fid=33492&share_type=t)


Dinitrophenol (DNP) (https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrotherhoodofpain%2Eco m%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D9185&share_tid=9185&share_fid=33492&share_type=t)

[Boombalaty]

Great posts Sledge and Jonh! I appreciateyour advice. I had really planned on starting once i got below around 200lbs so that is prob what ill do. I plan on 500mg test e per week with .5 arimidex eod for 14ish weeks for my first go at it.

[Boombalaty]

Great posts Sledge and Jonh! I appreciate your advice. I had really planned on starting once i got below around 200lbs so that is prob what ill do. I plan on 500mg test e per week with .5 arimidex eod for 14ish weeks for my first go at it.

[Boombalaty]

Grrr stupid phone keeps posting twice

[Boombalaty]

So I checked mytdee.com today and according to my stats and guess on bf% it tells me my tdee 3374 and my bmr is 1956. I have been at around 2100 cals for months. What gives? Is my metabolism just jacked from only eating one meal a day for years? I just dont get it.

[friend-o-mine]

I have Ephedrine from 2007 still in my kitchen cabinet. I took it for a few days but it gave me the jitters and heart palpitations. But it def burns fat like crazy

Ephedrine HCI 25mg / Guaifenesin 200mg

Is this illegal now? It did not used to be.

[Boombalaty]

I think it just illegal to be marketed as a fat burner.