Insulin (SLIN)

[PAiN]

Effective dose: 5-15 IU/ day


Insulin is not an androgen, or a steroid for that matter. Insulin is a proteinaceous hormone that is secreted from the pancreas, mostly in response to high sugar levels. It's a polypeptide made from 51 amino acids, separated in an A and B chain by a sulfide bridge (Covalent bond). Its main use is to regulate blood sugar levels. If blood sugar levels are too high insulin is released, which stores more glucose in the cells as the polysaccharide glycogen, the prime energy source in the human body. This alone makes it a valuable hormone. But it also increases the uptake of other compounds into the cell. This includes protein. Since anabolic steroids increase protein synthesis, and we eat lots of protein, the only thing missing in that system is a way to get the amino acids to where the protein is synthesized. Insulin can do that. Its interesting to note that insulin does not have a direct negative feedback system like steroids do. When blood sugar levels drop, cells simply become more resistant to the insulin and don't receive as much of an impulse to store glycogen as they would at first. This is important, as it will have certain implications.

Insulin was designed for diabetics, a disease marked by one characteristic : too much blood sugar due to an insulin deficiency. There are two types of diabetics, but this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. As with anabolic androgenic steroids, taking endogenous insulin will shut down natural pancreatic secretion action. This is not as easily solved as with steroids, where production eventually bounces back. Warning number 1 : Insulin use can, and in the long run will, make you a life-time diabetic. Keep that in mind before you decide that insulin might be for you. On the one hand this is a good way to get a discount maybe, on the other hand, injecting daily for the rest of your life is not a pleasant outlook. On second thought scratch that, there is no positive side as insulin is available freely without prescription at a fairly low cost. This is because when a diabetic does not get his insulin in time it may be fatal. When a diabetic goes into seizure you don't want to waste time going to a doctor to quickly obtain a prescription. By then its too late.

There are three types of non-prescription insulin. Fast-acting, which is mostly used, known as Humulin-R. Then there is an intermediate form (Humulin-N or Humulin-L) which can last almost three times as long, which means up to a day. And lastly there is the Humulin-U, which stays active for longer. Particularly useful for diabetics who may forget their shots, as it stays active longer than a day. There is also a really fast-acting form called Humalog, but this is only available via prescription since it's the most easily abused and the Humulin-R suffices for most diabetics. Humulin-R is the compound most used by the way because it's the shortest acting form. Yes, that's a good thing. In fact it's a very good thing. When administering supra-physiological doses of insulin, more glucose is stored as glycogen resulting in a lower blood sugar level. When your blood sugar level is too low, its called hypoglycemia and it can cause you to go into shock and die. Warning number 2 : If proper protocol for using insulin is not followed, you can die. This has two definite implications. First of all it explains why you want the short-acting form. Blood sugar levels need to be monitored over the active time, so you obviously don't want it to stay active for 24 hours or longer. The second implication is that obviously sugar has to be taken with the insulin to prevent hypoglycemia and sugar needs to be kept on hand for the entire duration of activity, which is 6-8 hours. If dizziness or weakness occurs, more sugar has to be taken. This will be discussed in the how to use section.

Initially, doses of insulin will make you leaner as you store more carbs that would otherwise be stored as fat. But as people will tell you, it eventually has a tendency to make you fat. As indicated earlier, there is no negative feedback, but cells develop a resistance to insulin, in which case circulating excess carbs will be processed as adipose tissue. And if you know what's good for you, you will have circulating extra carbs.

Insulin is obviously best stacked with some form of anabolic androgenic steroid. Its mostly added to stacks including the extremely expensive human growth hormone.

Its proper use entails a single shot once a day of a short-acting compound. Usually Humulin-R, unless Humalog can be obtained. Its best used after a training session, when the body already has a tendency to store more carbs and protein. Although some people prefer other times of day. The standard protocol suggests the use of 1 IU per 20 pounds of bodyweight, but you would do best to start out at a lower dose like 2-4 IU and then work your way up a bit, until you feel you are taking enough. As doses increase, so does the amount of sugar that is ingested with them. Again a standard of 10 grams per IU is given, but I would recommend a dose of 150 grams regardless of the amount as long as it is below 15 IU's, if it is higher then add 10 grams for every IU. Since the compound stays active for 6-8 hours, hypoglycemia can occur at any moment during this time span. So consuming carbs during this time is advised, and at the very least keep a large amount of them handy, so you can act quickly. Dizziness, weakness and feeling sleepy are all pretty indicative of the onset of hypoglycemia and a good sign that you should take another good dose of sugar.

The carb source suggested here should be glucose (dextrose). This is basically blood sugar and will absorb the fastest, minimizing the risk as opposed to other carbs. Mix 150 grams in water and consume within 20 minutes of the injection and keep a glass with another 150 grams handy. If you finish the glass, immediately prepare another until the insulin has cleared the blood. Again a reminder of the high risk involved with insulin. It can make you a life-long diabetic and in the worst case, it can kill you. I strongly advise against the use of insulin compounds. Should you not heed my warning, follow the protocol to the letter. One slip could mean your life

[unclem]

i use slin and epo and have been. i use humalog lispro but my wife wont write no more so iam going to humulin -r but i take 7 ius and all precautions and keep glucose on hand.

[unclem]

pain i think this should be a stickie as its a great drug when used properly bt not for cutting if u have been on it a long time as my self. so if u could make this a stickie i know a lot of bbers and plers are preparing to use it with hgh test, and i love epo its a drol/ energy compound into one. but yes if u make this a stickie. my wife wont write me no more scripts for it as i go through to many vials at a time and shes worried about her dea license, which she went to school to help people not hurt them. so now i have to take otc humulin-r.

[TheGreatWhiteTruth]

Just to caveat this great post, I found this guide helpful on another board:

This post is just a simple guide for first time insulin users to follow in a safe, and effective manner.

The type of insulin I?m talking about is Humalog

I urge you to invest in a glucometer. This will give you a close estimation of where your BG(Blood Glucose) levels are (Safe Zone 70-90,but independent upon each individual).You want to take in adequate amounts of carbs, but not too much. As the excess will be stored as fat. And yes, if you aren?t careful, you can add quite a bit of excess body fat. As you?ll see in my dosing example below, we drop carbs slightly as to not to acquire excess BF.

You need to know the signs of hypoglycemia:
The body's biochemical response to hypoglycemia usually starts when sugars are in the high/mid 60's. At this point, the liver releases its stores and the hormones such as glugagon, cortisol, growth hormone and epinephrine, all increase. In many patients, this process occurs without any clinical symptoms.
While there is some degree of variability among people, most will usually develop symptoms suggestive of hypoglycemia when blood glucose levels are lowered to the mid 50's. The first set of symptoms are called neuro-genic (or sympathetic) because they relate to the nervous system's response to hypoglycemia. People may experience any of the following;
? nervousness,
? sweating,
? intense hunger,
? trembling,
? weakness,
? palpitations, and
? often have trouble speaking
To educated yourself further here?s a link Hypoglycemia Causes, Diagnosis, Symptoms, and Treatment on MedicineNet.com (http://www.medicinenet.com/hypoglycemia/article.htm)

Never go to sleep while slin is active, nor take hot showers, sauna?s, nor tan.


As you already might know. The basic rule is 10g waxy maize to 1 iu of Insulin. Now the trick is to get in tune with your body so to take advantage of the insulin spike, which allows nutrients to be shuttled to the muscle cells rapidly, doing so without taking in excess carbs which equates to body fat.



Below is a 30 day cycle(which is recommended) for Insulin. I don?t use Insulin on off days from the gym. Some like to use Insulin on off days in the morning to fight off the catabolic state we?re in upon awakening. I feel upon awakening in the morning a shake consisting of Whey/ Dextrose would be sufficient, or better yet, SOLID FOOD, to bring you out of this catabolic state from fasting over an 8 hour period while sleeping.


I?ll use the 5 day training split as an example here. That will give you 20 days ?on? slin.



Day 1 : 5 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 2 : 5 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 3 : 5 iu slin/50g Dextrose


Congratulations!! You?ve survived thus far. I assume (hope) you?ve been monitoring your BG levels. You probably have noticed that you are in the higher range using 50g of Dextrose PWO. Now it?s time to drop the carbs slightly. Don?t fret. This should be more than ample amounts (of carbs) to get you through to your PWO meal.



Day 4 : 5 iu slin/40g Dextrose

Day 5 : 5 iu slin/40g Dextrose



At this point you should have a good idea of how you react with Insulin in terms of BG levels vs. carb intake .



Let?s up the dose??



Day 6 : 6 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 7 : 6 iu slin/50g Dextrose

By this point in time you should be feeling good( ie; more confident),but still respectful to Insulin. Let?s test the waters for 3 days to give you the feel of things. By that I mean we?ll drop the carb intake slightly so you can find a comfortable ratio in regards to iu?s vs. carbs per gram.



Day 8 : 6 iu slin/40g Dextrose

Day 9 : 6 iu slin/40g Dextrose

Day 10 : 6 iu slin/40g Dextrose


Now, the above ratio?s are safe and effective. You can stop right here and continue on for the next 10 days at the above doses/ratio?s. Or you can move forward slightly.



Day 11 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 12 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 13 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 14 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 15 : & iu slin/50g Dextrose

If you felt confident with the above protocol. You could experiment on days 14-15 and drop your Dextrose to 40g.If you do so, please monitor your BG levels every 15 minutes or so. And have glucose tabs, or another source of quick carbs handy (like orange juice) to stave off any possible signs of hypoglycemia. Don?t panic should this happen, just drink a glass of orange juice, or similar, and in 10 minutes the symptoms will have subsided.



Ok, on to your final week.



Day 16 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 17 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 18 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 19 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 20 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose


Congratulations! You just completed your first cycle/experience with Insulin in a safe an effective manner. I stopped at 8 iu?s, Being that is enough to get your feet wet with the drug. You can experiment later on. This was simply a guide.



One last thing. Guys ask ?Which way is better?? To take your Whey/ Dextrose in one shake, or Dextrose first, and whey 15 minutes later??

Bottom line is, it?s just preference. But I do prefer to take my Dextrose first with creatine, BCAA, Luecine, then 15 minutes later have a whey isolate shake.1.5 hrs later have your PWO meal.

[halfApint]

bit confused, and want to try running slin for the first time during my next cycle.

IE: day 1 - 5iu + 50g dextrose post work out .... since the slin is active for 6-8hrs after the shot, for these next 6-8 hours how do you consume carbs? on a schedule? as needed? only when you start getting hypo sides?

Also, what is the advantage of upping the slin instead of staying at a safe dose of lets say 4-6iu's PWO...

if used only on work out days, could you run the slin throughout the entire cycle, or is there a protocol for 5w on, 5w off? thanks bros

[abnranger]

good info here slin is not to b taken without respect

[Gopro]

Good read PAIN....I just started a slin cycle. I use 4iu pre, 4iu post, and 4 ui in the evening. I take a table spoon of sugar with each shake, or dosing. So far so good. No bad sides and crazy good pumps. I did arms and they almost really did actually hurt bad after each set. The pain would go away and i was hella vascular and just bigger and fuller. I am starting a cycle in a couple days. So cant wait to see what this stuff does after i start.

[4everstrong]

If you use insulin wont you become a diabetic later on?

[Gopro]

Dependes on the person. And the length of the cycle. I do like 2 week on, 4 weeks off. From what i have read it can actually be beneficial to ur body. Because it gives ur body a break from always having to try and maintain blood sugar levels. I give a long break in between each cycle to allow my body to rest and start producing its own. I think i am only gonna cycle 1 week on and 3 - 4 weeks off from now on to lower my chances of becoming dependent.

[4everstrong]

Thats why i have touched Slin bc i dont wanna become a diabetic.

[Gopro]

yeah, there are ricks involved. But a lot of people and body builder take it and never become dependent.

[4everstrong]

yeah, there are ricks involved. But a lot of people and body builder take it and never become dependent.

yeah thats True. I can get the very fast acting or the slower acting. Its pretty dang cheap to! might give it a try sometime just scares me! lol.

[Gopro]

Just do proper research like everything else and you will be okay brother!!!! Its not that scary once you try it, and you will love the results man!!!

[Greenegorilla2]

What about using slin as a bridge between cycles to help retain muscle? Anyone have experience with this?

[sofargone561]

i thought 5ius was high. theres so much confusion on slin lol =/

[sofargone561]

Mix 150 grams in water and consume within 20 minutes of the injection and keep a glass with another 150 grams handy. If you finish the glass, immediately prepare another until the insulin has cleared the blood.
this part confused me a little. i should keep a glass of 150g of dextrose the whole 8 hours or just right after injection?

[Joker]

Good read PAIN....I just started a slin cycle. I use 4iu pre, 4iu post, and 4 ui in the evening. I take a table spoon of sugar with each shake, or dosing. So far so good. No bad sides and crazy good pumps. I did arms and they almost really did actually hurt bad after each set. The pain would go away and i was hella vascular and just bigger and fuller. I am starting a cycle in a couple days. So cant wait to see what this stuff does after i start.

Drop the table sugar and start using dextrose. And no it's not the same thing. Dextrose is by far superior. Table sugar is junk.
Also knowing EXACTLY the amount of carbs being consumed is crucial brother. ... Just a tablespoon of sugar is just a fine line away from being dangerous brother... Just my opinion : )
~UNCLE IRISH

[af86]

Im on humalog 10iu's now started at 3 and worked my way up. My rescue drink is half pedialyte& welches grape juice
I also take karbolin before and after my workout. I have been fine so far! Pumps are
Freaking rediculas and last for days! im also on ghrp2 &cjc. And a 250 shot of cypionate once a week. I got the auto pen its handy little thing!

[sofargone561]

I got the auto pen its handy little thing!
as im just looking into this further whats that? is that the thing that you just pick how much u want and stick it iin you?

[af86]

Yeah dial the amount in and stick. I comes with 3ml in it:)

[cyborg73]

was thinking of using slin but will do a lot more research.thanks for the good info brother

[Elvia1023]

Insulin has probably given me the best first day results out of anything. I remember the first day I used it pre workout and I couldn't believe what was happening to my body. It gave me the best pump off my life... I couldn't shower properly after training. It is very safe to use as long as you aren't an idiot.

[KING]

Insulin has probably given me the best first day results out of anything. I remember the first day I used it pre workout and I couldn't believe what was happening to my body. It gave me the best pump off my life... I couldn't shower properly after training. It is very safe to use as long as you aren't an idiot.
Please share the protocol that you use to get results safely. I'm tossing this around just need to make sure I got everything in line first.

This post is very informative and appreciate BTW brother PAIN!

[Elvia1023]

Please share the protocol that you use to get results safely. I'm tossing this around just need to make sure I got everything in line first.

This post is very informative and appreciate BTW brother PAIN!

I would recommend using a short acting slin for a first timer so you can time it best. Using long acting ones you will peak at different times. With the short ones they are easy to manage. So go with something like Humalog or novolog. Start very low so 2IU or so. The first time don't even go out. Use it at home and have carbs ready just so you can get used to it. The first time I used it I went hypo so fast even at a very low dose. Once you feel comfortable I would recommend something like 4IU pre workout. 1 hour pre slin I would recommend a balanced meal of protein, carbs and good fats. For the first 2 weeks after you have slin I would recommend some carbs just till you get more used to it... I used high protein fruit yoghurts but anything will do (bananas are good).

Whilst you train sip on a shake of EAA's and Carbs. Peptropro is another great protein source but I can be expensive... I like EAA's (BCAA's are good too). The amount varies for everyone. 10g carbs per 1IU is a good system to use. However for the first few times obviously use way more than that so even if you use 2-4Iu slin go with 80g carbs in your shake. I prefer HBCD's (highly branched cyclic dextrin) but they are expensive. Karboload and vitargo are other good choices. However Dextrose is great too and super cheap. The key is finding what suits you best and something that falls into your budget.

The key with the shake is to sip it slowly throughout your entire workout. I recommend starting to sip it 10 mins before you start training and finishing at the end of your training. With slin sometimes the carb amount is not so important as the timing. What I mean by that is say I need 100g carbs to stop me going hypo with my slin dose. If I were to take my slin and drink those 100g carbs within 20 mins you can bet I will go hypo 2 hours later. However if I were to sip those carbs slowly throughout my workout I will be fine and have a great workout.

Once you get used to it you can move up in dose. I don't think you will ever need more than 10IU at one time. The same system should be used with that dose. A good meal earlier on. Slin then your intra shake. Then later (post workout sometime) a big meal of protein and carbs. I would try to avoid fats when the slin is active. Good post workout meals could be chicken and rice or pasta. I like to add in some slow and fast digesting carbs post workout after slin. So sometimes I will do chicken and brown pasta but will drizzle honey on the chicken (seasoned with chilli flakes too).

Always have carbs on hand incase of an emergency. Sometimes you may be more sensitive than others. I have haribo jellies in my gym bag as my emergency carbs but never have to use them.

The key with slin is using it to gain the most out of it. So many guys are scared to get fat (it shuttles everything) from it that they try and use as few carbs as possible. Guys having 30-40g carbs with 10IU for example. Some guys overloading fast acting proteins with no carbs even. This outlook is so wrong imo (and dangerous). You want to get the most out of your slin as possible. It shuttles nutrients to the muscle so give it plenty of them. Lots of good protein and carbs and that will lead to muscle growth and insane fullness. Keep your dose 10IU or below and use it pre workout so you are training hard when it's active and it can give your physique a completely different dimension. I don't use much slin but excited to start it again :)

Your slin sensitivity is vital so before using it you want to ensure you are lean. Taking slin when you are fat is just asking to get fatter. If you ever need anymore help just let me know. I think maintaining slin sensitivity during your breaks is vital too. I can go more into that in the future though.

[KING]

Damn!!!! You just dropped the 101on me like a BOSS! Do you use hgh when using slin or peptides?

[Elvia1023]

Damn!!!! You just dropped the 101on me like a BOSS! Do you use hgh when using slin or peptides?

I recommend using peptides or HGH when using slin but they are not essential with it (many think they will get fat without the combo for some reason). There are 1001 possibilities. I recently tried cjc no dac and ghrp-2 at 167mcg (easy to dose from vial) each. Then 10 mins later you inj HGH (I used 2IU) to ride the natural pulse of the peptides. This combo makes the HGH much more effective. I dosed that twice daily so a total of 4IU HGH daily. But just using either (peps or hgh) would be fine with slin. I would use the previous protocol, HGH only, MK-677 only or cjc-dac and mk-677. All would give great results so just go with what you feel like doing. That list gives you a few ideas for experimenting with over the next few years ;)

[KING]

I recommend using peptides or HGH when using slin but they are not essential with it (many think they will get fat without the combo for some reason). There are 1001 possibilities. I recently tried cjc no dac and ghrp-2 at 167mcg (easy to dose from vial) each. Then 10 mins later you inj HGH (I used 2IU) to ride the natural pulse of the peptides. This combo makes the HGH much more effective. I dosed that twice daily so a total of 4IU HGH daily. But just using either (peps or hgh) would be fine with slin. I would use the previous protocol, HGH only, MK-677 only or cjc-dac and mk-677. All would give great results so just go with what you feel like doing. That list gives you a few ideas for experimenting with over the next few years ;)
Good info man! Appreciate it a lot and might have to pick your brain sometime when I have some extra time. Sent you a fr.

[Mountain-Man]

Very good thread slin is my fav thanks for the info brother

[ozmuscle]

Great thread guys. m just about to embark on my first cycle incl 'slin. I hear when stated with HGH the gains are incredible. Looking forward to the insane pumps I hear that slin brings.

[mnmsnowbeast]

i use slin and epo and have been. i use humalog lispro but my wife wont write no more so iam going to humulin -r but i take 7 ius and all precautions and keep glucose on hand.Hi unclem,i run 5iu of log preworkout,while I am working out I have intra hd mixed at 70 grms,and directly after my workout I have my post drink,it is 20 onces water,two scoops whey protein,1/2 cup oats ground up,and 30 grms gateraid powder mixed in,this is when I drive home from workout,once home about 1 hr I eat meal 6 1 lg bagel 1 tbl spoon natural PB and 1.5 cups of 4% cottage cheese,yes I have gone hypo several times,my wife is stage 2 and we have tested me twice at 43 and 48 different days,so yes I do keep sugar pills,and carb bar in gym bag always.

[mnmsnowbeast]

I recommend using peptides or HGH when using slin but they are not essential with it (many think they will get fat without the combo for some reason). There are 1001 possibilities. I recently tried cjc no dac and ghrp-2 at 167mcg (easy to dose from vial) each. Then 10 mins later you inj HGH (I used 2IU) to ride the natural pulse of the peptides. This combo makes the HGH much more effective. I dosed that twice daily so a total of 4IU HGH daily. But just using either (peps or hgh) would be fine with slin. I would use the previous protocol, HGH only, MK-677 only or cjc-dac and mk-677. All would give great results so just go with what you feel like doing. That list gives you a few ideas for experimenting with over the next few years ;)Yes,i run greytops split,2.5 morning and 2.5 before workout,and sometimes with Igf1

[theunit23]

If Walmart gives me trouble, what are the next best options to buy slin?

[Tbrotherx]

Scary stuff, but sometimes(Usually) necessary for the advanced bodybuilder

[kindabig88]

10iu pre/10iu post humalog 50Gcarbs during, 100g carbs post got me up 28 lbs in 8 week ;)

[stephen220]

Walmart shouldn't give you any trouble just ask for humulin r I always get it there same with the slin pins buy them together everytime I buy it. It's otc and cheaper then Kroger by 50 dollars.

If Walmart gives me trouble, what are the next best options to buy slin?

[Electromass]

Walmart shouldn't give you any trouble just ask for humulin r I always get it there same with the slin pins buy them together everytime I buy it. It's otc and cheaper then Kroger by 50 dollars.
Krogers!?!......You can buy humulin R at a grocery store? Never heard of that.

[joko123]

Walmsrt will mot give you any trouble


If Walmart gives me trouble, what are the next best options to buy slin?

[bobhead]

Walmart has novolin for 25$.

[mastermolnar]

If Walmart gives me trouble, what are the next best options to buy slin?

Its literally the same as buying cough drops or granola bars. Theyll give you more trouble buying sudafed. Its crazy that you can go in and buy the most anabolic compound around for dirt cheap

[The Plumber]

I do 8iu of Humlin R one hour before a workout and try not to take in any sugar unless i feel hypo. and eat a good after workout meal, also i don't go to sleep for at least 6 hours after slin injection.

[coalminer78]

Would it hurt to use during pct to help keep gains?? Or would it taking it with pct drugs be bad??

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[stephen220]

You can take it during pct that's fine just try to keep the diet strict around the time it's in your system so fat gain isn't an issue but it'll help. I've done that before you may even gain an little weight also.


Would it hurt to use during pct to help keep gains?? Or would it taking it with pct drugs be bad??

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[FutureIFBBProJARow23]

Insulin is tricky and dangerous I wouldn't recommend it for beginners.

[aussiemutant]

if you take insulin at any time of day do you need to take it with all carb meals thereafter?

so im doing insulin pre-wo and post for the most part, but theoretically wont i become insulin resistant and need to take it with all my meals so i absorb the carbs? pretty sure i know the answer and i have been micro dosing with my other meals not pre-post

[Vancouver BC]

PAiN Excellent Post. Sticky this for Life.

[HB4LIFE]

Guys check out this video! Very informative.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/jiuZ9Jd89Jw)

[DinoDelt]

Great read ! Thanks brother

[Sld94]

Very good info here. Good thread!

[jrock645]

Looking to add slin to my bulk blast in a couple months. Its time for mass.

[bigdaddy6900]

So if your 200 can you take 5 ius pre and 5 post or stuck to 5-10 ius pre . I’ve read so many different Protocols. I just want to make sure there’s no extra fat added etc.


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[jrock645]

So if your 200 can you take 5 ius pre and 5 post or stuck to 5-10 ius pre . I’ve read so many different Protocols. I just want to make sure there’s no extra fat added etc.


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i would do pre or post, not both.

[bigdaddy6900]

i would do pre or post, not both.

I’ll stick to pre for now thx


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[juiceddawg]

I started hgh this week & would like to use slin I can get the Walmart brand, Is the Walmart brand fast acting slin?

[Cathead]

How long does insulin last in the fridge unopened?