Six week Blood results - What do you think

[moprmac]

Six weeks on 500mg/wk of test cyp and 600mg/week of Eq

Total Test is 1488 and free T is >50

However,
Cholesterol Total - 162
Triglycerides - 792
HDL - 24

VLDL and LDL are not valid with Triglycerides over 400

Update: I pin on Sunday and Wed so took the blood test on Friday

[turbolnd]

Well I can only speak n the Test Cyp results. I should also say idk your source. Idk what other contributing factors there may be. But.....the Test levels at that amount of MG per week should be higher. How much? Idk. But 1488 should be what you get on slightly higher than TRT level doses. When I had 500 MG per week on my 1st cycle I was at 4k. But I have recently read on some factors on how doses may need to go up according to how far you are from homeostasis. So if this is your 5th cycle and you've blasted many times that might actually be as good as it gets at that dosage. But I'm no expert. Just MHO.

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[bulk_cut]

Those results should be much higher on just 500mg of test/week plus EQ raises test also so it should really be a lot higher since you're running 600mg of EQ/week also!!!!

[VallieFlag]

Wow thats very low. Your gear is rubbish. What source?

[Turbo306]

Wayyyy low

[Revelations]

I'm glad we are all on the same page. First thing I thought is that seems very low for doses being used...
-Rev

[moprmac]

Well I previously tested several times for trt and 200mg/wk sun pharm cypionate put me at 750 to 800. Then I switched to sovereign's cypionate at 275mg/wk for 4 weeks then tested at 1065.
This batch I brewed ifbb cyp and eq raws. Cyp 250 and Eq 300.

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[turbolnd]

Don't have any experience with brewing. But bottom line that's a low number for the dosage. As far the sources from what I've seen in this forum you need proof. But there a lot of variables here that I can't speak on.

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[friend-o-mine]

So is this your 3rd cycle ever? And this is the first cycle that you have ran with the homebrewed gear?

[Turbo306]

What were your e2 levels?

[ironjulius]

How long from your last pin did you get blood drawn?

[bulk_cut]

How long from your last pin did you get blood drawn?


Even if it was 2 weeks from his last pin that would be a low number

[MrHowie]

Interesting results, I had to restart my current cycle due to issues so I'll be getting my bloods from IFBB gear in January. I'll PM you and let you know my results, I started at 210 and I am 232 now though so I know it's gtg.

[ironjulius]

Even if it was 2 weeks from his last pin that would be a low number

Maybe for you and post the science behind EQ raising total test

Edit when posting blood work it's usually helpful to post when blood was drawn. Also a baseline of usual numbers to gauge. Everybody responds different or all TRT doses would be 100mg test C a week

[yesidont]

why so low ??

[moprmac]

I pin on Sunday and Wed so took the blood test on Friday


So is this your 3rd cycle ever? And this is the first cycle that you have ran with the homebrewed gear?
Basically yes


What were your e2 levels?
I didn't test E2 this time. in past tests i seem to handle that well and I take .25mg of Arimidex EOD. Yeah I probably should have, but didn't.


Also regarding past tests, I have had some oddities. Past testing my trt levels:

2014/10 100mg every 2 weeks = 239
1 month later changed to weekly shots , tests are 3 days after pin
2015/03 100mg/wk = 273
2015/06 150mg/wk = 865
2015/12 150mg/wk = 221 ( I missed my shot but tested anyways)
2016/01 150mg/wk = 231 ( 3 weeks later, 3 days after pin)
2016/02 200mg/wk = 817
2016/08 Switched to sovereign test cyp 275, 2 shots per week / pin sun/wed, test on friday
2016/09 275mg/wk = 1065
2016/10 200mg/wk = 776
2016/11 switch to homebrew test cyp250 and eq300
2016/12 500mg/wk Cyp and 600mg/wk EQ = 1488

My recipes:
Cyp:


Recipe Calc

By total Oil




total ml
200


dosage mg/ml
250


powder weight
0.85


ba ratio
0.02


bb ratio
0.1


Results



Oil ml's
133.50


Powder grams
50.00


ba ml's
4.00


bb ml's
20.00



EQ:


Recipe Calc

By total Oil


total ml
100


dosage mg/ml
300


powder weight
1.18


ba ratio
0.02


bb ratio
0.18


Results



Oil ml's
44.60


Powder grams
30.00


ba ml's
2.00


bb ml's
18.00

[ironjulius]

I pin on Sunday and Wed so took the blood test on Friday


Basically yes


I didn't test E2 this time. in past tests i seem to handle that well and I take .25mg of Arimidex EOD. Yeah I probably should have, but didn't.


Also regarding past tests, I have had some oddities. Past testing my trt levels:

2014/10 100mg every 2 weeks = 239
1 month later changed to weekly shots , tests are 3 days after pin
2015/03 100mg/wk = 273
2015/06 150mg/wk = 865
2015/12 150mg/wk = 221 ( I missed my shot but tested anyways)
2016/01 150mg/wk = 231 ( 3 weeks later, 3 days after pin)
2016/02 200mg/wk = 817
2016/08 Switched to sovereign test cyp 275, 2 shots per week / pin sun/wed, test on friday
2016/09 275mg/wk = 1065
2016/10 200mg/wk = 776
2016/11 switch to homebrew test cyp250 and eq300
2016/12 500mg/wk Cyp and 600mg/wk EQ = 1488

My recipes:
Cyp:


Recipe Calc

By total Oil




total ml
200


dosage mg/ml
250


powder weight
0.85


ba ratio
0.02


bb ratio
0.1


Results



Oil ml's
133.50


Powder grams
50.00


ba ml's
4.00


bb ml's
20.00



EQ:


Recipe Calc

By total Oil


total ml
100


dosage mg/ml
300


powder weight
1.18


ba ratio
0.02


bb ratio
0.18


Results



Oil ml's
44.60


Powder grams
30.00


ba ml's
2.00


bb ml's
18.00



Thanks for the OP and this it really helps ourselves but also our community. Looking at your previous numbers I would say the 1488 is not that bad some just don't get the 3k off 500mg of test. Is it underdosed I would say yea but if it falls into the 20% range many consider that a pass which I think it does. I don't know how to brew but you seem to have done something right.

[moprmac]

Interesting results, I had to restart my current cycle due to issues so I'll be getting my bloods from IFBB gear in January. I'll PM you and let you know my results, I started at 210 and I am 232 now though so I know it's gtg.
I am interested to see how your results are.

Just to be clear I think my body is doing some weird bs and this is not reflective of the IFBB products.
As can be seen by my results even on sun pharm prescription my body does some weird shit, plus I am 44, diabetic, and barely working out for the amount I was taking so not like I am a great specimen!

[MrHowie]

I am interested to see how your results are.

Just to be clear I think my body is doing some weird bs and this is not reflective of the IFBB products.
As can be seen by my results even on sun pharm prescription my body does some weird shit, plus I am 44, diabetic, and barely working out for the amount I was taking so not like I am a great specimen!

My first impression was that it is under dosed but I guess we will see when I get my labs back although I am on his Sust and Tren so you can't really compare us together.

Btw your test results are still great in my opinion, you can still grow just fine off that so don't let the numbers get you down.

[turbolnd]

There's a post on PSL (Purity Source Labs) that just came up. Very well posted results. And at 200 MG of Test per week he was 1500+. This is what I mean. At 500 you should be like 3 or 4k.

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[Pro chaos]

My first impression was that it is under dosed but I guess we will see when I get my labs back although I am on his Sust and Tren so you can't really compare us together.

Btw your test results are still great in my opinion, you can still grow just fine off that so don't let the numbers get you down.
When your on top people are always gonna try to knock you off!

[Pro chaos]

everyone responds differently. We also don't know his protocol or have I seen paperwork. He a good guy but I'm just stating facts.

[turbolnd]

That's what I commented 1st. I know BOP by now. You have to come correct.

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[JohnDoe]

What I haven't seen is what he uses to pin the oil and where it's pinned. If it's sub q, I doubt it would peak as quickly as IM - so bloods would be lower at 48 hour mark if pinned sub q. (Will seek advice from our medical director Elmo on this one)....just a thought.

Also, perhaps something wasn't measured or brewed correctly?

Where did you get LABS tested at and can you post those results (take a pic, scan the paper, screen shot and post, etc - just make sure to edit out your name).

I'm glad you are pointing out that you tested low even on Pharma gear.

[moprmac]

More info I forgot to add: MCT oil, Yes all were 25g 1" subq on the side handles Also taking hcg 500mcg 2x/week.

11200

turbolnd I get your point, but 200mg/wk with 3 different types of gear and I am lucky to hit 800. My point was my f''d up lipids not my gear. I would bet money the gear is fine and it's my f''d up system. Yeah I'm waiting for a friend getting ready to use the same batch and see his numbers in a month or so but regardless

[ironjulius]

More info I forgot to add: MCT oil, Yes all were 25g 1" subq on the side handles Also taking hcg 500mcg 2x/week.

11200

turbolnd I get your point, but 200mg/wk with 3 different types of gear and I am lucky to hit 800. My point was my f''d up lipids not my gear. I would bet money the gear is fine and it's my f''d up system. Yeah I'm waiting for a friend getting ready to use the same batch and see his numbers in a month or so but regardless

Thanks for continuing to keep us informed. Subq works but I had my lowest total test result while doing subq. Also how the fuck can you stand the over .5ml of anything subq? That shit hurts like hell and leaves a knot. I would try IM to see if you get better results

Now I can say I feel that the raws are probably just fine

[moprmac]

Also how the fuck can you stand the over .5ml of anything subq? That shit hurts like hell and leaves a knot.

That's funny shit cause I see that posted a lot and I think, "What are they whining about, I shoot 1 ml, move over a few inches, shoot another 1ml, 2x a week."
Then I lost about 10 lbs and thought "Ahhh, these f'ers are so much leaner than I am, that's why." Still doesn't hurt, but I get the visible lump thing.

I started using IM and then tried subq after reading dr. chrisler and other people's info. It tested the same so I just never went back, but that was in the 200 - 800 tests. I guess I will back off for now and get my lipids in check then maybe try again. I expected the hdl and ldl hit but I don't know what the hell is up with my Triglycerides!

This is my first home brew and obviously I haven't got years of experience in aas but I do have experience in other shit from hazmat to building precision equipment and this home brew just isn't that complicated. I have made foods more complicated than this, so I am fairly confident that the brew is good. IFBB and Pro Chaos have been excellent to work with and I will be ordering again when I get ready to with full confidence!

[MrHowie]

When your on top people are always gonna try to knock you off!

How was my post trying to knock the sponsor? Pretty sure I said his results are still good, mentioned I am using the same gear and that it is working for me...

Your post made under this would have been a better and professional response to me.

[JohnDoe]

How was my post trying to knock the sponsor? Pretty sure I said his results are still good, mentioned I am using the same gear and that it is working for me...

Your post made under this would have been a better and professional response to me.
ProChaos is very touchy - he loves IFBB and will defend to the death. I don't think he meant anything personal toward you Howie. Him and I had a talk and I pointed that out to him about you saying those were still good results and you're using IFBB as well....PC might just need a nap ;)

[Pro chaos]

How was my post trying to knock the sponsor? Pretty sure I said his results are still good, mentioned I am using the same gear and that it is working for me...

Your post made under this would have been a better and professional response to me.
This is not the first time you've made accusations without proof or tried to stir things up brother. https://brotherhoodofpain.com/ifbb-supplies/29894-ifbb-primo-labmax-test-results-3.html

[bulk_cut]

Maybe for you and post the science behind EQ raising total test

Edit when posting blood work it's usually helpful to post when blood was drawn. Also a baseline of usual numbers to gauge. Everybody responds different or all TRT doses would be 100mg test C a week

I got my information about EQ raising test levels on blood test from Erik the owner of EGH labs. I'm sure you and everybody else will agree he knows what he's talking about. He posted the information in an open thread so if you want the information you can go and look for it, I'm not going to do your work for you!!! EQ does in dead raise testosterone levels!!!

[ironjulius]

I got my information about EQ raising test levels on blood test from Erik the owner of EGH labs. I'm sure you and everybody else will agree he knows what he's talking about. He posted the information in an open thread so if you want the information you can go and look for it, I'm not going to do your work for you!!! EQ does in dead raise testosterone levels!!!

I just did a quick Google search and didn't see any that said it does raise testosterone levels

[JohnDoe]

The only thing EQ raised when I took it was my hematocrit and RBC. If it did raise my test level, it was nothing significant.

[moprmac]

My searching is finding the same. In fact since my focus is on my shit lipids, I was also searching for effect on lipids, but most say EQ doesn't do much to their lipids. Besides the blanket response that all aas effect your lipids negatively, I have been searching for one with the least effect. Of course I can't find an concrete studies yet but most say that test, anvar, dbol, are all worse than eq. Eq is king of raising rbc, hemocrit, hemoglobin, but maybe thats not what was killing my lipids, maybe just the increase in test was the culprit.

[ctyler]

Im sure you have but check your numbers table from brewing. If that is copecetic then your system is remecating. If still not clear Whats up Mayers lab is what i Would do.

[Private_Label]

EQ can sometimes be confused as testosterone on some blood tests. Clearly that's not the issue here. At 500mg per week ideal results should be 2-3000 so you are a little low but you can adjust your recipe to accommodate that.

[Anzel]

what is your diet like? Your cholesterol is wacked!

[moprmac]

Just as a final note on this, since mid Dec I dropped down to just the test cyp at 250 a week and my level on Jan 20 was 799. i have a Bro that has been using same mix for a month at 250 a week and he is at 1240.
So again my system, not the mix. Thanks IFBB for the great service!