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CJC4ME
02-03-2017, 11:05 AM
Glycogen is the main storage form of carbohydrates and in humans it is mainly stored in the muscles (around 350-700g) and in the liver (around 100g) (Reference 1). Glycogen is the preferential fuel used for higher intensity physical activity, at above a level of around 65-70% VO2max (Reference 1,2,7), although highly trained athletes have a greater capacity for fat oxidation even at higher exercise intensities (Reference 3). Below this threshold the main fuel used are liberated fatty acids deriving from body fat stores. Glycogen is an important source of fuel for the body for the so-called fight-or-flight response (Reference 7), when there is a need for an immediate source of energy and high levels of glycogen are needed for optimal performance for events such as running or cycling. In the past the advice was to consume large amounts of carbohydrates post-activity in order to rapidly replenish glycogen. When the body runs out of glycogen the feeling of intense fatigue is known as “hitting the wall”.
When glycogen is depleted a protein called GLUT-4 is activated and acts to increase glucose transport into muscle. Glycogen synthase acts to trigger the production of glycogen and as glycogen is replenished the activity of glycogen synthase goes down as does GLUT-4. The replenishment of glycogen has a high metabolic priority for the body and the main dietary substrate used for producing glycogen is carbohydrate. In the complete absence of food, glycogen replenishment still takes place (Reference 9), albeit at a much slower rate because the body is forced to provide other substrates for glycogen replenishment. These substrates are known to be lactate produced during exercise, amino acids deriving from skeletal muscle and glycerol from body fat stores.
It is well known that high-intensity (at/above 70% VO2 max) training with low starting glycogen results in greater oxidation of fatty acids and a greater training adaptation (Reference 8, 10, 36, 43) by enhancing mitochondrial biogenesis. Following glycogen depletion exercise, there is increased fat oxidation even when high carbohydrates are being consumed. This is because the ingested carbohydrates are preferentially channeled for glycogen repletion and liberated free fatty acids and possibly muscle trialglycerols are utilized instead for energy (Reference 34, 35). However in this post-exercise recovery period, for two isoenergetic diets the one providing lower carbohydrates will result in greatly increased fatty acid oxidation (Reference 45), furthermore not as a result of energy deficit.
The first two hours of post-exercise recovery are particularly critical, because a deprivation of dietary carbohydrates in this period will sharply limit glycogen replenishment. In an experiment in which the test subjects performed 75 minutes at 75% VOx max (Reference 46) two hours post-exercise they had a glycogen depletion of approximately 40%. It is likely that immediately post-exercise it would have been greater, but these results weren’t published. There were two groups for the recovery diet – one a high-carbohydrate group (5g carbohydrate/kg body-weight every 8 hours) and the other low-carbohydrate (0,5g carbohydrate/kg body-weight every 8 hours). I will say that I would have expected a far higher depletion of muscle glycogen for this level of activity, but in any case even 24 hours post-exercise the low-carbohydrate group still had a roughly 37% depletion of muscle glycogen, and it had barely risen from the 8 hour mark. The low carbohydrate group had high levels of key genes involved in fat metabolism such as PDK4, UCP3, LPL, CPT I, CD36, FOXO1. Note also in this study that carbohydrates were not totally avoided, but rather sharply limited. In other words consuming a limited amount of carbohydrates from vegetables or from a protein shake will not cause the beneficial effects on fat metabolism to be suddenly lost.
It has been long known that a short term high fat diet up-regulates key fat loss genes (Reference 55) involved in fatty acid transportation and oxidation such as FAT/CD36, UCP-3 and beta-HAD. The reference study had two groups of highly trained cyclists – one on a high-carbohydrate diet and the other on an isocaloric high-fat diet, both for 5 days. At the start and end of the dietary intervention all subjects did 20 minutes of cycling at 70% VO2max and the high-fat group displayed significantly enhanced fat oxidation in the end test as compared to the high-carbohydrate group, or baseline. This study employed a 5-day period for the two studied diets, another study (Reference 37) had test subjects do high-intensity interval training in the morning and then 60 minutes of steady-state running at 70% VO2max. One group consumed high-carbohydrates after the morning exercise session and the other was matched for calories but consumed high-fat. Both groups continued with their diets over the following 15 hours after the second exercise session. The high-fat group displayed a far greater capacity to oxidize fat in the afternoon training session, together with greater expression of fat loss genes such as FAT/CD36 and CPT1. Moreover the enhanced fat-burning in the high-fat group continued well past the second training session. The only fly in the ointment was a diminished MPS response as measured by suppression of p70S6K1 activity. What was notable in this more recent study is that even one high-fat meal was able to elicit enhanced fat burning in the afternoon training session. Going back to the study from Reference 46, we should note that the recovery diet had a 71% contribution from dietary fats, thus the fat burning would have been than it would have been if the diet had been more protein-based. The logical inference is that if engaging in resistance training it may be wise to avoid an excessively high intake of fats in the recovery period if muscle accrual is a priority, as it should normally be even in fat loss phases. However increasing dietary fats post-workout could be a useful strategy if performing high-intensity aerobic activity, especially if another such session is planned soon after.
If we’re going to divide training into two broad categories – resistance training and endurance training, whilst further breaking down endurance training into high-intensity and low-intensity, then I would see the most benefit of adopting a low/no-carbs post-workout period for resistance training and – if included in ones’ personal training protocol – high-intensity endurance training. However there are a number of provisos in order to make the system work properly.
It has been suggested (Reference 29) that significant glycogen depletion must occur to activate AMPK, the latter being a key nutrient sensor which regulates metabolism based on intake and expenditure. AMPK activation triggers a cascade of key genes involved in fat metabolism – the study discussed above no doubt significantly activated AMPK and thus the above-mentioned genes (Reference 4, 5). Post-workout protein ingestion does not impair AMPK activation (Reference 50), whereas carbohydrate ingestion will (Reference 51). However AMPK also suppresses protein synthesis by deactivating mTOR activity (Reference 30), which on the face of it does not sound conducive to accruing muscle. Resistance training – and indeed aerobic activity – do activate AMPK, and in the case of the former, temporarily suppress muscle protein synthesis (Reference 31). However 1-2 hrs post-workout AMPK activity diminishes and protein synthesis rises. AMPK activation though is far less pronounced after resistance training as compared to high-intensity cycling. In one study (Reference 6) they compared two groups – one performed 60 minutes of cycling at 70% VO2max and the other did 8 sets of leg extension at 80% 1RM. A resistance workout of this type doesn’t really correspond to what most trainees would really do in the gym, however it’s also worth bearing in mind that the workout was done after an overnight fast, and thus likely not full levels of muscle glycogen. In any case the finding of the study is that – at least in these conditions – AMPK was only activated significantly after cycling. The activation reached a peak 30 mins after the end of the cycling, at 195% of baseline.
It also appears that there is a critical defended minimum level of muscle glycogen, and if commencing and finishing a workout (whether resistance or endurance) without going below this threshold then there will be little or no glycogen replenishment (nor AMPK activation). In other words there will be none of the magic discussed above of significant and extended post-exercise fat burning, even whilst maintaining a positive calorie balance. This is a very significant point not to be glossed over. Reference 56 details a study in which two groups of test subjects performed a glycogen depletion protocol consisting of warm-up then 180seconds of cycling at 130% VO2max, followed by a 30-second all-out sprint. They then followed either a high-carbohydrate (10g/kg BW/day) or else normal-carbohydrate (4.5g/kg BW/day) for 48 hours. In the next phase they did 60 minutes of cycling at 70% VO2max, a level which was determined to not raise lactate levels too much. The subjects were then followed for the next 300 minutes with blood assays and muscle biopsies to assess the variables. The high-carbohydrate group – in stark contrast to the normal-carbohydrate group – had no muscle glycogen replenishment. The researchers equated this result to the low lactate produced in the exercise protocol and the glycogen level post-exercise in the high-carbohydrate group being above a defended level which appears to be around 200mmol/kg dry muscle weight. It was noted however that some glycogen replenishment occurs even with post-exercise glycogen above the minimum defended level if sufficient lactate is produced.
If we remember that body fat stores will be used for energy in the absence of dietary carbohydrates when muscle glycogen is depleted, then it stands to reason that it would make sense for the purposes of maximizing fat oxidation to continue well beyond the 24-hour point with the avoidance of carbohydrates. There is evidence from some older studies that muscle glycogen will remain depressed even for several days after depletion activity (Reference 52), despite an adequate intake of calories albeit deriving from fat and protein. One study (Reference 53) had two isocaloric groups of high-carb and low-carb subjects do 2hrs of cycling at 65% VO2max with subsequent massive depletion of muscle glycogen. 52hrs into the recovery period, the low-carb group still had a 35% depletion of glycogen. This was despite low-carb still being 2,9g/kg/day, i.e. not that low. The greater point here is that the longer carbohydrates can be avoided, the slower the replenishment of muscle glycogen and the longer the period of increased fat oxidation for the same amount of calories in the recovery period.
However the rate of glycogen repletion in the face of reduced carbohydrates in the recovery period depends on the type of activity which created the depletion. In the case of high-intensity activity which produces high levels of glucose and lactate, then the replenishment is more rapid since the lactate produced is then used as substrate for post-exercise synthesis of glycogen, whilst if it is lower-intensity and thus associated with diminished levels of lactate then the replenishment is slower. Lactate production is closely related to glycogen breakdown in exercise (Reference 12, 13) and indeed resistance training is generally associated with moderate lactate production (Reference 11) and a low contribution of lactate to subsequent production of glycogen. However in the previous study despite the high-intensity activity which produced undoubtedly high levels of lactate, the replenishment of glycogen was still very slow. In one study (Reference 39) the test subjects did an average of 8,8 sets of 6 reps of one-legged knee extension at 70% 1RM, thus depleting muscle glycogen by 30%. The researchers felt that lactate didn’t contribute much to glycogen resynthesis, suggesting that glycogen synthase was not activated much due to only modest glycogen depletion. There was nearly full glycogen repletion after 6 hrs in the group who consumed two meals at 0hrs and 1hrs of 1,5g carbohydrate/kg bodyweight, and almost no repletion in the group who consumed only water.
There are several ways of increasing glycogen resynthesis in the recovery period, namely by decreasing utilization of carbohydrates and increasing fat oxidation. Following an exercise protocol of 60 minutes of cycling at 75% VO2max, 500mg of oral hydroxicitrate (i.e. Garcinia cambogia) (Reference 14) appears to have this effect. Furthermore the environmental temperature post-exercise also influences glycogen resynthesis – a warmer environment slows it down whilst a cooler environment increases repletion (Reference 15) by decreasing utilization of carbohydrates. Although not specifically tested it is likely that fat oxidation was increased by the cooler conditions, with the dietary carbohydrate diverted for glycogen repletion.
Taurine ingestion in the recovery period appears to increase glycogen repletion whilst simultaneously increasing fat oxidation (Reference 16). It appears to do this by sparing exogenous carbohydrates for utilization as fuel. Taurine is known to increase the activity of an enzyme called cAMP-activated Kinase A which increases lipolysis in adipocytes (Reference 17), and thus would be compatible with the results of this study.
In a comparison between whey and casein ingestion post-exercise, it was found that whey significantly accelerates glycogen synthesis (Reference 40) as compared to casein. Whey increases GLUT-4 activity in muscle (Reference 41) and indeed stimulates fatty acid synthesis in muscle (Reference 42).
Caffeine ingestion whilst exercising and initially in the recovery period appears to accelerate fat burning in the first 5 hours, especially so in the first two hours (Reference 28). The dose given in this study was 6mg/kg BW.
It is furthermore beneficial to time the first post-workout meal immediately after training (Reference 44) since eating straight after resistance exercise increases muscle mass and reduces fat, as compared to the same meal several hours later. This phenomenon is linked to the increased muscle LPL when consuming a meal immediately post-exercise.
For the purposes of comparison with the above cited studies done when depleting glycogen with cycling, resistance training will typically generate a 20-40% depletion in the worked muscle. In Reference 18 they found that 6 sets of 70% 1RM or else 6 sets of 35% 1RM (both groups trained to muscular failure) of one-legged leg extension elicited virtually the same amount of glycogen depletion, i.e. around 39%. After 3 sets the glycogen depletion was around 20,5% for the 70% 1RM group and 25,6% for the 35% 1RM group. This study is also interesting because it shows that glycogen depletion is not greater when performing higher reps, as is commonly believed. Resistance training is not the most efficient means of depleting muscle glycogen – indeed it is thought that intramuscular lipoloysis contributes to production of force in resistance training (Reference 54).
The science showing increased fat oxidation in the post-exercise recovery period for the same amount of calories but with zero/low carbohydrate dietary intake following glycogen deplenishment exercise is very solid. A contention of many attempting to accrue muscle is that more carbohydrates are needed, also post-workout. However the science does not back this belief in consumption of carbohydrates in the post-workout period for the purposes of muscle accrual (Reference 38, 47, 48). A failure to replete glycogen post resistance training is not linked to a diminished anabolic response (Reference 19) however sufficient calories DO need to be provided (Reference 20, 25, 49) as well as the requisite essential amino acids, either in the free form or else as protein (Reference 21). In Reference 19, the test subjects did a glycogen depletion protocol of one leg, whilst resting the other leg. The next morning following an overnight fast, they then did 8 sets of 5 reps of single-leg leg press at 80% 1RM. 2 hours later they either took a supplement with 20g whey + 40g maltodextrin or else a zero-calorie placebo. There was no difference in MPS between the low-glycogen and normal glycogen leg in the nutrient-supplement group. MPS was higher in the nutrient-supplemented group for both the low and normal glycogen legs. Thus the conclusion is that in the early post-exercise recovery period (4 hours) low muscle glycogen does not compromise the anabolic signal and subsequent rates of MPS. Worth noting in this study is how the low-glycogen leg was weaker in the execution of the resistance training.
It is only in the case of inadequate post-exercise protein intake that carbohydrate ingestion can be of any benefit for normalizing protein synthesis, by reducing muscle protein breakdown (Reference 22).
Reading a bit between the lines however, there was a greater post-workout increase in Atrogin-1 in the low-glycogen leg in both placebo and nutrient groups, as well as a greater increase in Myostatin. Atrogin-1 is a muscle catabolic gene and Myostatin is a negative regulator of muscle growth.
mTOR activation was higher post-workout in the normal-glycogen leg in both groups.
However – and as noted in the previous study – commencing resistance exercise with depleted muscle glycogen is detrimental for strength training (Reference 23), but curiously could be beneficial for increased hypertrophy (Reference 24). So if we need complete repletion of muscle glycogen for strength training, how long is enough to achieve full repletion? What is known is that the first two hours immediately into the recovery period are most critical for rapid replenishment of muscle glycogen (Reference 32). However trained athletes can still replenish glycogen somewhere within 20 hours even if missing the first four hours post-workout, following a massive (68%) depletion of muscle glycogen after 4 hrs of cycling at 56% VO2max, and whilst consuming 10g carbohydrate/kg bodyweight (Reference 33).
Several strategies can be adopted to increase the rate of glycogen replenishment, such as the following:

- Caffeine ingestion together with carbohydrates (Reference 27). A Dose of 8mg/kg BW over the course of 4 hrs was used in this study.
- Preference for high GI carbohydrates (Reference 26).

The quicker one can replenish glycogen, the longer can be the low/no-carbohydrate period, and thus prolonging the window of fat burning.


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Key bulletpoints

- Glycogen needs to be significantly depleted in order to significantly activate fat burning effect and make the low/no-carb post-workout period effective.
- The commonly cited period of 5 hours carbless post-workout is not nearly enough for maximizing fat oxidation. This time period should be increased as much as possible – even well over 24 hours – whilst allowing adequate time for replenishing muscle glycogen in time for the next workout.
- Adequate protein and calories need to be consumed after resistance training for maximizing MPS whilst burning fat.
- Need for immediate meal post-exercise.
- High post-workout fat intake will maximize fat oxidation, but at the expense of MPS.
- Give priority to post-workout protein derived from whey.
- No need to be completely carb-free to still reap benefits from the protocol, however probably best to sharply limit carbohydrates in the first two hours of the recovery period (I think that trace carbs are still fine).
- Full starting muscle glycogen is important for strength training, but not necessary for hypertrophy training.
- Taurine, caffeine and hydroxicitrate ingestion after workouts (resistance training/cardio) could be good strategy for increasing fat burning.
- In the carbing-up period prior to resistance training, caffeine ingestion together with carbohydrate ingestion (incorporating also high GI carbs) will enable quicker glycogen replenishment and thus longer carbless periods after workouts.
- Try to avoid warm environments post-workout.


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Reference 14: ““Oral hydroxycitrate supplementation enhances glycogen synthesis in exercised human skeletal muscle”
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Reference 15: “Environmental temperature and glycogen resynthesis”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20464645


Reference 16: “Post-exercise taurine administration enhances glycogen repletion in tibialis anteriori muscle
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Reference 17: “Taurine in adipocytes prevents insulin-mediated H2O2 generation and activates Pka and lipolysis”
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Reference 18: ““Muscle glycogenolysis during differing intensities of weight-resistance exercise”
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Reference 19: “Low muscle glycogen concentration does not suppress the anabolic response to resistance exercise
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Reference 20: “Acute Energy Deprivation Affects Skeletal Muscle Protein Synthesis and Associated Intracellular Signaling Proteins in Physically Active Adults”
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Reference 21: “Postexercise nutrient intake timing in humans is critical to recovery of leg glucose and protein homeostasis”
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Reference 22: “The role of post-exercise nutrient administration on muscle protein synthesis and glycogen synthesis”
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Reference 23: “Effects of Carbohydrate Restriction on Strength Performance”
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Reference 25: “Energy balance changes the anabolic effect of postexercise feeding in older individuals”
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Reference 26: “Muscle glycogen storage after prolonged exercise: effect of the glycemic index of carbohydrate feedings”
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Reference 27: “High rates of muscle glycogen resynthesis after exhaustive exercise when carbohydrate is coingested with caffeine”
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Reference 28: “Caffeine ingestion does not impede the resynthesis of proglycogen and macroglycogen after prolonged exercise and carbohydrate supplementation in humans”
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Reference 30: ““AMP-activated protein kinase suppresses protein synthesis in rat skeletal muscle through down-regulated mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) signaling”
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Reference 31: “Resistance exercise increases AMPK activity and reduces 4E-BP1 phosphorylation and protein synthesis in human skeletal muscle”
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Reference 32: “Muscle glycogen synthesis after exercise: effect of time of carbohydrate ingestion
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CJC4ME
02-03-2017, 11:09 AM
Protein and Gluconeogenesis - Supplements and Nutrition - Forums - T Nation (https://forums.t-nation.com/t/protein-and-gluconeogenesis/184046/5)

CJC4ME
02-03-2017, 11:10 AM
This is an excert that someone else posted on another board.

I am using 98% Caprylic acid at one (1) TBL with each of my two (2) 75gram postWO shakes (separated by 3 hours). I do get some stomach upset and loose bowels at that dosage with just the shakes.

I have thought about adding 5 macadamia nuts to each of the two shakes. That would add about 100 calories with 10 grams fat (almost all monounsaturated) and 1/2 gram carb plus a little fiber and protein. Then cut the MCT dosage to 1/2 TBL. Hopefully the nuts and MCT would keep me from burning the protein as an energy source.

CJC4ME
02-03-2017, 11:13 AM
I've spent some time researching gluconeogenesis. It's a very limited process, I remember reading Volek's book on keto, where he cites studies (I'll try to dig up more later) on the rate and maximal daily effectiveness of GNG where the max daily glucose from GNG is somewhere around 50g-60g for most of the population.

Here's an old but interesting study on this point

The relationship between gluconeogenic substrate supply and glucose production in humans
F. Jahoor, E. J. Peters, R. R. Wolfe, American Journal of Physiology - Endocrinology and Metabolism Published 1 February 1990

The relationship between gluconeogenic precursor supply and glucose production has been investigated in 14-h and 86-h fasted humans. In protocols 1 and 2 [6,6-2H]glucose and [15N2]urea were infused to measure glucose and urea production rates (Ra) in response to infusions of glycerol and alanine. In protocol 3 first [15N]alanine, [3-13C]lactate, and [6,6-2H]glucose were infused before and during administration of dichloroacetate (DCA) to determine the response of glucose Ra to decreased fluxes of pyruvate, alanine, and lactate, then alanine was infused with DCA and glucose Ra measured. After a 14-h fast, neither alanine nor glycerol increased glucose Ra. Basal glucose Ra decreased by one-third after 86 h of fasting, yet glycerol and alanine infusions had no effect on glucose Ra. Glycerol always reduced urea Ra (P less than 0.05), suggesting that glycerol competitively inhibited gluconeogenesis from amino acids. DCA decreased the fluxes of pyruvate, alanine (P less than 0.01), and glucose Ra (P less than 0.01), which was prevented by alanine infusion. These findings suggest that 1) the reduction in glucose Ra after an 86-h fast is not because of a shortage of gluconeogenic substrate; 2) nonetheless, the importance of precursor supply to maintain basal glucose Ra is confirmed by the response to DCA; 3) an excess of one gluconeogenic substrate inhibits gluconeogenesis from others.

In other words, I'd say that it makes sense if you consider that, energetically speaking, muscles are energy thieves in the body. That's consistent with research papers estimating rates of muscle glycogen replenishment, which fall to baseline after around 5 hours due to many factors including perfusion rates, translocation of GLUT4 and so on.

Furthermore, I'd look here:

A high protein diet (3.4 g/kg/d) combined with a heavy resistance training program improves body composition in healthy trained men and women – a follow-up investigation
Jose Antonio et al., J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2015; 12: 39.

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the high protein group experienced a significantly greater loss of fat mass compared to the normal protein group in spite of the fact that they consumed on average ~400 kcals more per day over the treatment period.



This research suggests that there's (and I speculate there needs to be) a cost to extra protein ingestion. All materials I've read on human energy systems amount to conclusion that protein is very poor source of energy - if we were to eat pure protein alone about 30%-40% of calories would be lost processing them before they can be used as energy source. Factoring in the fact that that caloric cost for carbs and fats is almost non-existent, we can safely assume that human body will go to great lengths to not use protein as an energy source. That, by the way, is my personal view on this matter http://ergofaction.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif

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02-03-2017, 11:14 AM
Mechanism governing short-term fed-state adaptation to dietary protein restriction,

Taveroff A, Metabolism, 1994 Mar;43(3):320-7

"...short-term metabolic adaptation occurs within two meals of reduced protein intake. The mechanism appears not to involve selectively an increased "first-pass" retention of dietary amino acids, but rather a general reduction in fed-state whole- body protein breakdown"

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02-03-2017, 11:16 AM
A "mini-fast with exercise" protocol for fat loss.

B Bahadori, MF McCarty, J Barroso-Aranda, JC Gustin, and F Contreras Med Hypotheses, October 1, 2009; 73(4): 619- 22.

Abstract

From the standpoint of promoting leanness, exercise is of most value if oxidation of stored fat is maximized during and following the exercise sessions. Bahadori has proposed that this can best be achieved if prolonged exercise of moderate intensity is performed during a 12-14 h "mini-fast" that entails skipping a meal; if subsequent food consumption features low-fat foods, the fat stores expended during and after the exercise will not be fully repleted by dietary fat. Thus, prolonged compliance with such a regimen should lead to steady loss of body fat until a much leaner equilibrium body composition is attained. The feasibility andeat until noon. If they choose to exercise at noon, they skip lunch. If they choose to exercise in the evening, they eat an early light dinner, and then wait at least two hours to exercise (so that fasting insulin levels are restored); no food is consumed between the exercise and bedtime. (A variant of this latter strategy is to eat no dinner at all; several volunteers in the study described below adopted this approach on their own initiative.) To optimize the flexibility of this regimen, participants are allowed to switch the time of their exercise session from day to day. The “7 Step” program incorporates other features – including heavy intakes of non-caloric fluids (especially during the mini-fasts), stress reduction techniques, and psychological counseling – but it seems likely that the “mini-fast with exercise” and the prudent dietary advice are primarily responsible for its weight loss benefits, whereas the ancillary measures may aid compliance.

Proper integration of exercise and diet is the key

It is generally acknowledged that, regardless of how weight loss is achieved, regular exercise is required for this weight loss to be conserved over the long term. Thus, studies show that almost all subjects who maintain a substantial weight loss for 5 years or more engage in regular and substantial physical activity while attempting to moderate their intake of fatty foods [33]. Therefore, most people who are not blessed with “lean genes” and who have ready access to the rich Western diet will need to make an abiding commitment to exercise if they wish to remain healthfully lean throughout life. If you are going to take the considerable trouble to exercise regularly, why not perform that exercise in a way that optimizes its favorable impact on body fat and insulin sensitivity? It is the appropriate interaction of exercise and eating habits that promotes leanness. Studies which evaluate the body composition impacts of exercise or diet in isolation are of limited interest or utility.

It bears emphasis that the protocol tested here involves realistic amounts of exercise. None of the participants in the study – including the ones who lost the most substantial amounts of fat – claimed to have exercised more than an hour daily, and most of them had at least two “rest days” per week. Brisk walking was the most common exercise employed, and few of the participants attended a gym. Thus, this protocol should be feasible for most people who are willing and able to do moderate-intensity aerobic exercise – even those who have limited time availability and do not have access to sophisticated gym equipment. As regards meals, participants were encouraged to consume as much food as they wished, except of course during their mini-fasts. All emphasis was placed on the type of food consumed, and an effort was made to instill positive attitudes toward the low- fat whole foods that sustain health. It is inherently easier to control the types of food one eats than the quantity; many succeed in following vegetarian or Kosher diets throughout their lives, whereas few can maintain the discipline of calorie- counting for more than a few months. Thus, the protocol tested here may be viewed as a sustainable lifestyle. A currently popular American TV series is regaling viewers with the exploits of overweight volunteers who lose massive amounts of weight by engaging in several hours of vigorous exercise daily while consuming semi-starvation diets. Yet for most people, such a regimen would be both impractical and unsustainable. It would actually be a lot more impressive and meaningful to watch people cutting their body fat in half while holding down a full- time job, raising a family, and enjoying their meals.
A potential “Achilles heel” of this strategy is that some people may have insufficient appetite control or self-discipline to avoid food consumption during the mini-fast periods. With respect to appetite, pre-exercise administration of “hepatothermic supplements”, as described previously [6] and [34], may aid appetite control in the post-exercise period by boosting the efficiency of hepatic fatty acid oxidation; supplemental carnitine should improve cofactor saturation for carnitine palmitoyltransferase-I, while hydroxycitrate administration could be expected to alleviate the malonyl-coA-mediated allosteric inhibition of this enzyme. The profound appetite suppression achieved after several days of fasting or strict carbohydrate avoidance – which is key to the (temporary) success of protein- sparing fasting or the Atkins diet regimen – may reflect, at least in part, hepatic satiety signals associated with an increase in hepatic ketogenesis [5], [35], [36] and [37]. It may be feasible to trigger such signals much more rapidly through prolonged exercise accompanied by hepatothermic supplementation in the context of post-absorptive metabolism. The first author can attest that he tends to be hungrier at noon-time on days in which he has eaten breakfast and not exercised, than on days in which he has done morning exercise, taken supplemental hydroxycitrate/carnitine, and fasted all morning. The impact of such supplementation on compliance with mini-fasts merits examination in controlled studies.

Although prolonged moderate-intensity exercise is the most effective way to achieve selective utilization of stored fat as energy substrate during the exercise, recent evidence suggests that incorporating brief repeated episodes of high- intensity work into such a protocol – “interval training” – can have a more substantial long-term impact on body composition, presumably because muscle capacity for fat oxidation is boosted by the high-intensity intervals [38] and [39]; this effect may be mediated by increased activation of AMPKα2, which in turn boosts expression of PGC-1α, a “master switch” for mitochondrial biogenesis [40]. Also, this strategy might be associated with greater fat oxidation during the post- exercise period, owing to greater glycogen depletion during exercise. Future studies should determine whether interval training can amplify the results of a “mini-fast with exercise” strategy.
In conclusion, further evaluation of the “mini-fast with exercise” strategy is evidently warranted. Such studies should determine how feasible it is for motivated subjects to adopt this regimen as a continuing lifestyle, and the extent to which body fat can be reduced by long-term compliance.

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02-03-2017, 11:21 AM
Mild Mitochondrial Uncoupling and Calorie Restriction Increase Fasting eNOS, Akt and Mitochondrial Biogenesis (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0018433)