Cycles--Newbie to Advanced

[STEROID]

Cycles--Newbie to Advanced Here are some examples of cycles for you all.




OPENING COMMENTS

Relatively moderate doses of gear can get you fairly large and somewhat above your natural maximum level of developement, or that level of muscular developement that can be held to with your own natural T production, but only IF you train, eat and sleep well.

For the average guy of average height 5'9-10", with average bone structure and with genetically typical recuperative powers that means about 190-195 lean pounds in body weight and a bench of 275-300 pounds, full squat of 375-400 pounds and about a 500 pound deadlift.

The further above your natural max the more gear you need to see continued progression. The increasing amounts of gear needed does NOT grow in proportion to your increase in body mass. For example, many men can get to 10 pounds above natural max with as little as 250mg of test per week........to gain 10% more weight above this number does NOT require just 10% more gear...it requires a fair bit more. So to get to say 30- or 40 pounds above your natural max requires a lot of gear.

So the amount of gear you need to use depends mostly on how close you are to your natural max, or how far above you are from your natural max.

*Larger doses done at a low body weight do make gains a little faster but it isn't worth the money and or sides in my opinion...and the "faster" isn't that much faster anyway.


FACTOIDS

250mg of test cyp provides over twice the weekly testosterone that a young man produces naturally..so for you guys that are not at your natural max you can gain well WITHOUT gear, if you know how to train without gear, or gain very well with low to moderate doses of steroids.

100mg of cyp provides about 70mg of pure testosterone(minus ester weight)

Testes produce between 4 and 8 mg of testosterone a day....that's only 28 to about 70mg a week!..so you can see why 250 of cyp/week(175mg of pure test) can bring you to a little above your natural max, which is actually a pretty impressive level of developement.


NOVICE CYCLES AND GEAR CHOICE...those men not yet at their natural max.

Best to take single roids when you start out, and preferably testosterone for two reasons#1. you don't need to stack to see good results and #2. it is a good idea to get a good grasp on how you react to the best single hormone out there...testosterone( in the gains department and sides department)

Any roid taken alone can produce decent results but only four are really worth your while in this regard....#1 Testosterone, #2. D-bol #3. Anadrol and #4 tren. Personally I don't like anadrol since a high mg dose is required in order to see best results and this means a lot of liver toxic 17aa compound is ingested.....although for the short cycle it is "okay".

[STEROID]

CYCLE #1

Understanding that few want to take as little as 250 of test a week and most want to see gains as rapidly as possible I will then recommend 400-500mg of testosterone cypionate or enanthate per week for the newbie. DURATION 8-12 weeks with an equal time off.

**** Always have an estrogen blocker available like nolvadex at 20mg/day or at least clomid at 50mg/day...nolva works better though

You get the most even blood level by injecting these esters twice a week....so 200-250mg twice a week will be more than enough.

SHORT CYCLE OPTION 4-6 weeks but with test prop at 100mg every other day....lots of shots though.

PLEASE see my post on "Keeping GAINS from Steroids" for info on post cycle therapy and how to keep your gains from a cycle.
.
PLEASE see my post on SHORT CYCLES for info on how to do short cycles properly.

ALSO..test is test bro's... test sust is fine too although too expensive compaired with cyp and enanthate.

CYCLE OPTION #2.

Test @ 500mg/week 12 weeks & D-bol at 30mg/day in 4 divided dose and one just before bed for 4 weeks.
The only roid that is better than test IN THE SHORT RUN is d-bol...a truly UNREAL steroid and a favorite for over 40 years. D-bol was discovered way back in 1956 and quickly became a favorite of the pro's. D-bol only cycles work VERY WELL so don't let anyone BS you about them. They have been done by many over the last 45 years.

Nolva on hand.

* limit time "on' d-bol to 6 weeks as it is 17aa and can be hard on the liver.

MYTH:..some say that the gains from d-bol do not last...this is BS....the truth is the gains IN WATER from d-bol don't last so it SEEMS lilke the muscle gains don't last. Any steroid taken at bodybuilding doses, even at newbie doses, is going to shut down HPTA all the way so you can see that this "loss of muscular gains" ideation makes no sence.

NOTE: There is one steroid that is quite mild androgenically but seems to result in delayed HPTA recovery IN SOME(not me btw) and it is not d-bol...it is nandrolone, commonly used in the deconate ester(DECA) We don't understand why some bro's have a little trouble recuperating from this roid but it is a fact non the less.



CYCLE #3.

Test cyp or enanthate at 400-500mg/week for 8-12 weeks AND d-bol 30mg/day in divided dose for the first 4 weeks. This is a powerful combo indeed. The d-bol really gets things moving in a hurry.
Trouble with this stack is that you are going to experience a good deal of water retention and"bloat". An estrogen inhibitor like arimidex at .5-1mg/day might be a good idea....but now it is getting overly complicated for many novices.

Short cycle option....test prop 100mg every other day and d-bol 30mg/day for 4-6 weeks.

Have nolva on hand for sure! Estrogen inhibitors DO NOT work well for gyno protection...USE an estrogen blocker like nolva.

CYCLE #4 for the "gutsy" newbie

Test at 400mg/week and tren a 75mg every other day. Really good stack but it requires a lot of injecting so you better get your research done in this regard. Can do it shot the short cycle too.




CYCLE #5.

A classic again...test @500mg 12 wks & /deca at 300mg for 10 wks

CYCLE #6

yet another proven winner...Deca at 400mg/week for 10 weeks,test @ 600mg/wk for 12 wks and d-bol 30mg/day for 4 weeks....really nice synergistic combo here.

After each cycle take at least an equal time "off" from gear to allow your system to fully normalize.

A word or two on deca....deca has beengiven a "bad rap" of late....some really bash this excellent anabolic. They say is it converts to progesterone, gives you gyno, kills your libido, and it's hard to recover from.....WELL>>>here are the real fact on DECA

#1. Deca DOES NOT convert to progesterone....it a progestin and activates the PR more so than most roids.
#2. It almost never causes gyno at moderate dose.
#3. Some guys have a hard time recovering from deca. We don't know why this is really but many guys do not have a hard time recovering from deca...me and most of my clients included.
#4. Yes it can affect libido since it doesn't provide the needed androgen BUT it almost never does at 400mg/week....and if it does then as little as 100mg of test/week will cure that.

All in all it's an excellent roid and will be just fine for a first cycle and as I said ...if your sex drive drops then add a little test to the mix or proviron.

[STEROID]

ULTIMATE INTERMEDIATE CYCLE

Test at 400-750mg/week(or less) and tren at 75mg/day...UNREAL STACK and simply the best there is. This is all that the intermediate needs!

******** In fact dare I say that you can accomplish ANY goal as a bodybuilder with just these two roids(along with growth and slin as you hit the national level)

The following is the F.I.S.T. all time favorite cycle and use this as my exclusive cycle these days.

My all time favorite advanced stack is a simple one, but also the best IMHO, and that is Test at a gram/week,eq or deca @ 750mg/week plus tren at 75mg/day with 1mg of arimidex/day.I kick start with drol @ 50mg ed for the first 4-6 wks or sometimes add Prop at 100mg ed.If you can't grow with this cycle no matter how long you've been training then you're doing something seriously wrong! I never go less than a 20 wkr now a days and usually bridge in between cycles.When I do cycle off,I run the normal pct with Nolva/Clomid.Now that im older I will run HCG @ 100iu's ed throughout my cycle since my natural hormone production has decreased so much and recovery is that much harder.


All time favorite short cycle, advanced, is 50 of d-bol/day and 75 of tren/day and 100 of prop a day with 1mg of arimidex/day for 4-6 weeks.

For pre contest cutting the last few weeks before a show I have done very well with tren at 75mg/day and a small dose of prop.

[Patriot1405]

Nice read Fist.

[Big D]

Nice post. Good job bro

[WidowMaker]

Good read F.I.ST.
Double pinning every day is something to think about.

[tuffy]

Good read for the newbies

[colochine]

Good stuff brother

[STEROID]

Thank you gentlemen.

[griggs64]

Essential read!

[neoclassical]

So many good options!

[STEROID]

Essential read!

Thanks.Glad you like it.


So many good options!


Thank you.Try em out and post up your results.

[Camzilla]

Awesome FIST! This along PCT should mando reading for new folks (like this guy)<<<<<<

[STEROID]

Awesome FIST! This along PCT should mando reading for new folks (like this guy)<<<<<<


Thank you very much sir.Here's another great read for you to check out which also outlines PCT protocols as well........... http://www.brotherhoodofpain.com/showthread.php?3515-More-Cycle-Protocols

[Camzilla]

Sweet, thanx Brother!

[goldwell]

where would i go about getting my hands on some gear?

[BIGBOSS]

Thanks FIST!!! I have learned alot on this one!!

[315 BEAST]

Very nice read I'm just going to have to try #6 on my next cycle

[STEROID]

Sweet, thanx Brother!

You're welcome.Thanks for the reply.


Thanks FIST!!! I have learned alot on this one!!

Thanks for the reply brother.Glad you found it useful.


Very nice read I'm just going to have to try #6 on my next cycle

Great.Post up with results once you do.

[STEROID]

where would i go about getting my hands on some gear?

What kind of gear? Tactical? Scuba? Fishing??

[Camzilla]

^^^ :-)^^^

[smurfnu469]

Great info FIST.

[LexLuger]

Great Post. Thanks.

[biggbot71]

Great Post

[Dath]

Great thread here

[willie2]

this sticky never seems to get old...thanks

[dtoth]

Thanks bro

[Odin]

Great post man! Really helps noobs like myself.

[JohnnyTribal]

Great info man thanks

[pump1344]

Great job, alot of great info, I have just relized that when running a cycle of TREN(H) parabolin this is only my second time running any tren product ,The first time I did not run anything for progestron sides so I did stop it and I guess some people are more sensetiveI made great gains at 37.5 mgs eod, but now that I was able to get some legit tren(H)and the gear is great 100mgs 2 times a week and no sides what so ever and I am only running 350mg test blend 200mg cyp 100mgs test e and 50mgs test p and getting better gains than when I was running high mg of test, so as i have always said more is not always better
Respect

[fireant]

great info

[Racelife]

Great info.

[dtob]

good read thanks

[af86]

Good info
One question do you gain more water weight
On short esters or long esters, or is there any
Difference?

[tigersden]

thanks for the post bro great info to take in for cycles.

[Gainster]

:)!!!

[Buckshot713]

Question answered. I know what I need to do. Gonna run #4 Anwser a are for the seeker.
PAIN all our questions you already have the anwser for.

[castle_build]

Why 75mg tren eod? Would it make a difference running 300-400mg a week of tren e instead?

[swift1]

Thanks good read

[studmuffin]

great first cycle

[swor]

Awesome read guys. Always helpful to hear from experience

[hulksmash250]

Good stuff, thanks for sharing this info.

[Helen]

WElcome

[Tyrr]

Thank you F.I.S.T this is exactly what I was looking for today. Provided a good reference for a bro who is doing some initial research.

[Dunstone]

Dam F.I.S.T I'm glad that I have read this sticky, I can see why your all time favourite cycle could be loved by all. Brother appreciate the information!

[K-Shyne]

The FIST cycle sounds perfect. I think this will be my next cycle

[Buckshot713]

the Ultimate stack looks like a doosie. Dont think Im personally quite ready for that but pretty damn tempting, Thanks for sharing these cycles

[Theotherguy]

Cycles--Newbie to Advanced

Here are some examples of cycles for you all.



OPENING COMMENTS

Relatively moderate doses of gear can get you fairly large and somewhat above your natural maximum level of developement, or that level of muscular developement that can be held to with your own natural T production, but only IF you train, eat and sleep well.

For the average guy of average height 5'9-10", with average bone structure and with genetically typical recuperative powers that means about 190-195 lean pounds in body weight and a bench of 275-300 pounds, full squat of 375-400 pounds and about a 500 pound deadlift.

The further above your natural max the more gear you need to see continued progression. The increasing amounts of gear needed does NOT grow in proportion to your increase in body mass. For example, many men can get to 10 pounds above natural max with as little as 250mg of test per week........to gain 10% more weight above this number does NOT require just 10% more gear...it requires a fair bit more. So to get to say 30- or 40 pounds above your natural max requires a lot of gear.

So the amount of gear you need to use depends mostly on how close you are to your natural max, or how far above you are from your natural max.

*Larger doses done at a low body weight do make gains a little faster but it isn't worth the money and or sides in my opinion...and the "faster" isn't that much faster anyway.


FACTOIDS

250mg of test cyp provides over twice the weekly testosterone that a young man produces naturally..so for you guys that are not at your natural max you can gain well WITHOUT gear, if you know how to train without gear, or gain very well with low to moderate doses of steroids.

100mg of cyp provides about 70mg of pure testosterone(minus ester weight)

Testes produce between 4 and 8 mg of testosterone a day....that's only 28 to about 70mg a week!..so you can see why 250 of cyp/week(175mg of pure test) can bring you to a little above your natural max, which is actually a pretty impressive level of developement.


NOVICE CYCLES AND GEAR CHOICE...those men not yet at their natural max.

Best to take single roids when you start out, and preferably testosterone for two reasons#1. you don't need to stack to see good results and #2. it is a good idea to get a good grasp on how you react to the best single hormone out there...testosterone( in the gains department and sides department)

Any roid taken alone can produce decent results but only four are really worth your while in this regard....#1 Testosterone, #2. D-bol #3. Anadrol and #4 tren. Personally I don't like anadrol since a high mg dose is required in order to see best results and this means a lot of liver toxic 17aa compound is ingested.....although for the short cycle it is "okay".


Fist! Was interested in reading your "keeping gains after cycle" post but couldn't find. Anyway to link me? Thanks brother!

[Hardwork]

Thanks for the well laid out cycles!

[MetalMonster63]

nice read I prefer anadrol over dbol, ive just seem better results from it but I think I need to try d again

[ericksonalbert]

ULTIMATE INTERMEDIATE CYCLE

Test at 400-750mg/week(or less) and tren at 75mg/day...UNREAL STACK and simply the best there is. This is all that the intermediate needs!

******** In fact dare I say that you can accomplish ANY goal as a bodybuilder with just these two roids(along with growth and slin as you hit the national level)

The following is the F.I.S.T. all time favorite cycle and use this as my exclusive cycle these days.

My all time favorite advanced stack is a simple one, but also the best IMHO, and that is Test at a gram/week,eq or deca @ 750mg/week plus tren at 75mg/day with 1mg of arimidex/day.I kick start with drol @ 50mg ed for the first 4-6 wks or sometimes add Prop at 100mg ed.If you can't grow with this cycle no matter how long you've been training then you're doing something seriously wrong! I never go less than a 20 wkr now a days and usually bridge in between cycles.When I do cycle off,I run the normal pct with Nolva/Clomid.Now that im older I will run HCG @ 100iu's ed throughout my cycle since my natural hormone production has decreased so much and recovery is that much harder.


All time favorite short cycle, advanced, is 50 of d-bol/day and 75 of tren/day and 100 of prop a day with 1mg of arimidex/day for 4-6 weeks.

For pre contest cutting the last few weeks before a show I have done very well with tren at 75mg/day and a small dose of prop.





I'm thinking about starting a cutting cycle that would consist of

Cut-Stack 300mg/mL 10mL
(100mg each of Trenbolone Acetate, Masteron Propionate, Testosterone Phenylpropionate)

[ericksonalbert]

CYCLE #1

Understanding that few want to take as little as 250 of test a week and most want to see gains as rapidly as possible I will then recommend 400-500mg of testosterone cypionate or enanthate per week for the newbie. DURATION 8-12 weeks with an equal time off.

**** Always have an estrogen blocker available like nolvadex at 20mg/day or at least clomid at 50mg/day...nolva works better though

You get the most even blood level by injecting these esters twice a week....so 200-250mg twice a week will be more than enough.

SHORT CYCLE OPTION 4-6 weeks but with test prop at 100mg every other day....lots of shots though.

PLEASE see my post on "Keeping GAINS from Steroids" for info on post cycle therapy and how to keep your gains from a cycle.
.
PLEASE see my post on SHORT CYCLES for info on how to do short cycles properly.

ALSO..test is test bro's... test sust is fine too although too expensive compaired with cyp and enanthate.

CYCLE OPTION #2.

Test @ 500mg/week 12 weeks & D-bol at 30mg/day in 4 divided dose and one just before bed for 4 weeks.
The only roid that is better than test IN THE SHORT RUN is d-bol...a truly UNREAL steroid and a favorite for over 40 years. D-bol was discovered way back in 1956 and quickly became a favorite of the pro's. D-bol only cycles work VERY WELL so don't let anyone BS you about them. They have been done by many over the last 45 years.

Nolva on hand.

* limit time "on' d-bol to 6 weeks as it is 17aa and can be hard on the liver.

MYTH:..some say that the gains from d-bol do not last...this is BS....the truth is the gains IN WATER from d-bol don't last so it SEEMS lilke the muscle gains don't last. Any steroid taken at bodybuilding doses, even at newbie doses, is going to shut down HPTA all the way so you can see that this "loss of muscular gains" ideation makes no sence.

NOTE: There is one steroid that is quite mild androgenically but seems to result in delayed HPTA recovery IN SOME(not me btw) and it is not d-bol...it is nandrolone, commonly used in the deconate ester(DECA) We don't understand why some bro's have a little trouble recuperating from this roid but it is a fact non the less.


CYCLE #3.

Test cyp or enanthate at 400-500mg/week for 8-12 weeks AND d-bol 30mg/day in divided dose for the first 4 weeks. This is a powerful combo indeed. The d-bol really gets things moving in a hurry.
Trouble with this stack is that you are going to experience a good deal of water retention and"bloat". An estrogen inhibitor like arimidex at .5-1mg/day might be a good idea....but now it is getting overly complicated for many novices.

Short cycle option....test prop 100mg every other day and d-bol 30mg/day for 4-6 weeks.

Have nolva on hand for sure! Estrogen inhibitors DO NOT work well for gyno protection...USE an estrogen blocker like nolva.

CYCLE #4 for the "gutsy" newbie

Test at 400mg/week and tren a 75mg every other day. Really good stack but it requires a lot of injecting so you better get your research done in this regard. Can do it shot the short cycle too.




CYCLE #5.

A classic again...test @500mg 12 wks & /deca at 300mg for 10 wks

CYCLE #6

yet another proven winner...Deca at 400mg/week for 10 weeks,test @ 600mg/wk for 12 wks and d-bol 30mg/day for 4 weeks....really nice synergistic combo here.

After each cycle take at least an equal time "off" from gear to allow your system to fully normalize.

A word or two on deca....deca has beengiven a "bad rap" of late....some really bash this excellent anabolic. They say is it converts to progesterone, gives you gyno, kills your libido, and it's hard to recover from.....WELL>>>here are the real fact on DECA

#1. Deca DOES NOT convert to progesterone....it a progestin and activates the PR more so than most roids.
#2. It almost never causes gyno at moderate dose.
#3. Some guys have a hard time recovering from deca. We don't know why this is really but many guys do not have a hard time recovering from deca...me and most of my clients included.
#4. Yes it can affect libido since it doesn't provide the needed androgen BUT it almost never does at 400mg/week....and if it does then as little as 100mg of test/week will cure that.

All in all it's an excellent roid and will be just fine for a first cycle and as I said ...if your sex drive drops then add a little test to the mix or proviron.




Could you suggest a good cutting stack? maybe 8-10 weeks

[DarkMan801]

Great read. I Really appreciated the dosing examples.

[Rubix1]

Great read

[cavtrooper96]

I still come back and read this when planning my next run! Great write up.

[Ivan]

Greetings brothers, from Caucasus.
Sorry, i'm bad know english.
i wish to ask.
i read blog of Bill Richards about 2 week cycles, and i have to test it.
What think u about 2 week cycles?I don't know what steroids would be better to combine.
i think try oxy and other steroid to combine at 2 week cycle.
Please help me to make really good cycle, or 2 week cycle - bad idea?

[superlifter]

thanks for the info!

[root]

This is a good reference point for a newbie like me. Just the kind of info I was looking for. Thanks

[Kram60]

Everyone, not even sure this is the place to discuss this, so forgive me if I'm screwing up, but here goes.. I'm presently on trt of 200 mg of test cyp every two weeks . I'd like to kick it up to around 250-300 per week. Which ai should I use and how often. 56 years old so was planning on just cruising along with it. Give me your thoughts and advice please. Thanks

[Muscle91]

Great info on cycles, just finishing cycle of test only 500mg per week. Next cycle gonna jump on some tren ace after a couple months off. Wanna keep something for prolactin on hand, caber seems hard to find though.

[Torqued]

Thanks for the read great info

[Amber Jones]

newbe would best to make a blood test during use the steroid

[pnasty69]

gave me some ideas on what I'm doing next hehehe

[Workn1t]

That was a great read

[Skribble83]

Good read man thanks

[Grappler4x4]

Vey nice thread brother. Good info

[Rockdog]

Very nice good read

[henryjames]

For CYCLE #5 test @500mg 12 wks & /deca at 300mg for 10 wks, which is the recommended Arimidex dosage? 0.5 mg EOD?

[minotauros]

Thanks for the info brother. nice insight

[TheDiesel13]

Thanks for this post

[YG-SERIO]

ULTIMATE INTERMEDIATE CYCLE

Test at 400-750mg/week(or less) and tren at 75mg/day...UNREAL STACK and simply the best there is. This is all that the intermediate needs!

******** In fact dare I say that you can accomplish ANY goal as a bodybuilder with just these two roids(along with growth and slin as you hit the national level)

The following is the F.I.S.T. all time favorite cycle and use this as my exclusive cycle these days.

My all time favorite advanced stack is a simple one, but also the best IMHO, and that is Test at a gram/week,eq or deca @ 750mg/week plus tren at 75mg/day with 1mg of arimidex/day.I kick start with drol @ 50mg ed for the first 4-6 wks or sometimes add Prop at 100mg ed.If you can't grow with this cycle no matter how long you've been training then you're doing something seriously wrong! I never go less than a 20 wkr now a days and usually bridge in between cycles.When I do cycle off,I run the normal pct with Nolva/Clomid.Now that im older I will run HCG @ 100iu's ed throughout my cycle since my natural hormone production has decreased so much and recovery is that much harder.


All time favorite short cycle, advanced, is 50 of d-bol/day and 75 of tren/day and 100 of prop a day with 1mg of arimidex/day for 4-6 weeks.

For pre contest cutting the last few weeks before a show I have done very well with tren at 75mg/day and a small dose of prop.


I started off with deca and test my first cycles than moved to cycle #4 and nowadays I use the ULTIMATE INTERMEDIATE CYCLE. I'm just finishing up my second year with gear.

I Incorporated Winstrol oral @50 eod for 6 weeks, didn't see much from it but other than that it's pretty much been test and Tren.

It seems like most other options offer bulking so I haven't pulled the trigger on trying anything else out really. I hate feeling bloated and I get that feeling easily even if I do too much Tren and test I get that bloated feeling. I've never been one to really have too much of a six-pack but I get pretty damn close at one point. Getting my abs to show is really one of my main concerns.

I seem to think that anything else will make my midsection bigger. I know most of that come from diet cardio and I have a pretty good diet in place and my cardio game is pretty good it could be better of course of course but it's good.

Anyways that's why I'm on BOP to [emoji432] and get some insight and directions. Thanks for All of these Cycles and all of this knowledge bro.


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[KPack]

So, on Cycle #6 do you not need a post cycle regimen?

[11B410thMTN]

Wish I read this earlier!


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[Tyuri]

I’m planning my first cycle, I plan on doing cycle #2/3.
12 week test c with a 4 week 40mg dbol start.
You recommend having nolva on hand for estrogen... I planned on using aromasin while on cycle and using Clomid/nolva for post cycle. Would I use nolva instead of aromasin If I start having to much estrogen?

[11B410thMTN]

Nice post!


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[BornFat]

thanks mate

[Bplebo75]

Good read

[AvgGuy]

Great read... how long would you wait to start a new cycle after completing your pct?


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[Devil1]

Great read!! I truly like your style Brutha!!

[Brick Crusher]

Where can I find the thread Keeping GAINS from Steroids?

[bluebeast06]

Awesome.

[IamRonburgundy]

Thank you, appreciate the knowledge.

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[Oldskool]

Thx alot. Some food for thought. Will definitely make use of these guidelines

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[itsmoneymitch]

great information, thank you!

[Brick Crusher]

CYCLE #1

Understanding that few want to take as little as 250 of test a week and most want to see gains as rapidly as possible I will then recommend 400-500mg of testosterone cypionate or enanthate per week for the newbie. DURATION 8-12 weeks with an equal time off.

**** Always have an estrogen blocker available like nolvadex at 20mg/day or at least clomid at 50mg/day...nolva works better though

You get the most even blood level by injecting these esters twice a week....so 200-250mg twice a week will be more than enough.

SHORT CYCLE OPTION 4-6 weeks but with test prop at 100mg every other day....lots of shots though.

PLEASE see my post on "Keeping GAINS from Steroids" for info on post cycle therapy and how to keep your gains from a cycle.
.
PLEASE see my post on SHORT CYCLES for info on how to do short cycles properly.

ALSO..test is test bro's... test sust is fine too although too expensive compaired with cyp and enanthate.

CYCLE OPTION #2.

Test @ 500mg/week 12 weeks & D-bol at 30mg/day in 4 divided dose and one just before bed for 4 weeks.
The only roid that is better than test IN THE SHORT RUN is d-bol...a truly UNREAL steroid and a favorite for over 40 years. D-bol was discovered way back in 1956 and quickly became a favorite of the pro's. D-bol only cycles work VERY WELL so don't let anyone BS you about them. They have been done by many over the last 45 years.

Nolva on hand.

* limit time "on' d-bol to 6 weeks as it is 17aa and can be hard on the liver.

MYTH:..some say that the gains from d-bol do not last...this is BS....the truth is the gains IN WATER from d-bol don't last so it SEEMS lilke the muscle gains don't last. Any steroid taken at bodybuilding doses, even at newbie doses, is going to shut down HPTA all the way so you can see that this "loss of muscular gains" ideation makes no sence.

NOTE: There is one steroid that is quite mild androgenically but seems to result in delayed HPTA recovery IN SOME(not me btw) and it is not d-bol...it is nandrolone, commonly used in the deconate ester(DECA) We don't understand why some bro's have a little trouble recuperating from this roid but it is a fact non the less.


CYCLE #3.

Test cyp or enanthate at 400-500mg/week for 8-12 weeks AND d-bol 30mg/day in divided dose for the first 4 weeks. This is a powerful combo indeed. The d-bol really gets things moving in a hurry.
Trouble with this stack is that you are going to experience a good deal of water retention and"bloat". An estrogen inhibitor like arimidex at .5-1mg/day might be a good idea....but now it is getting overly complicated for many novices.

Short cycle option....test prop 100mg every other day and d-bol 30mg/day for 4-6 weeks.

Have nolva on hand for sure! Estrogen inhibitors DO NOT work well for gyno protection...USE an estrogen blocker like nolva.

CYCLE #4 for the "gutsy" newbie

Test at 400mg/week and tren a 75mg every other day. Really good stack but it requires a lot of injecting so you better get your research done in this regard. Can do it shot the short cycle too.




CYCLE #5.

A classic again...test @500mg 12 wks & /deca at 300mg for 10 wks

CYCLE #6

yet another proven winner...Deca at 400mg/week for 10 weeks,test @ 600mg/wk for 12 wks and d-bol 30mg/day for 4 weeks....really nice synergistic combo here.

After each cycle take at least an equal time "off" from gear to allow your system to fully normalize.

A word or two on deca....deca has beengiven a "bad rap" of late....some really bash this excellent anabolic. They say is it converts to progesterone, gives you gyno, kills your libido, and it's hard to recover from.....WELL>>>here are the real fact on DECA

#1. Deca DOES NOT convert to progesterone....it a progestin and activates the PR more so than most roids.
#2. It almost never causes gyno at moderate dose.
#3. Some guys have a hard time recovering from deca. We don't know why this is really but many guys do not have a hard time recovering from deca...me and most of my clients included.
#4. Yes it can affect libido since it doesn't provide the needed androgen BUT it almost never does at 400mg/week....and if it does then as little as 100mg of test/week will cure that.

All in all it's an excellent roid and will be just fine for a first cycle and as I said ...if your sex drive drops then add a little test to the mix or proviron.



Where can i find the post "Keeping GAINS from Steroids" I've search and haven't found it?

[rawdog]

Great information, much appreciated

[Mikespeed69]

Great post!

[garrettgc45]

Great info. Thanks

[M3rlin11]

At advice on a test prop only cycle ?

[shotgun-207]

Very informative thank you


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[Bowla]

Good read brah

[EvnWillms78]

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[MrIntensity]

Still trying to figure out this site, I have no idea if my comments are getting posted and if anyone is replying. Didn’t think this would be so fucking hard! There’s 1 reason why I joined here; take a guess why. Some help would be awesome

[maxmuscle1]

Still trying to figure out this site, I have no idea if my comments are getting posted and if anyone is replying. Didn’t think this would be so fucking hard! There’s 1 reason why I joined here; take a guess why. Some help would be awesome

Download tapatalk app. It is easy to navigate the BOP forum.

Max

[Divra001]

I am currently on my third cycle. This time I went with just Sust 250. I am doing one shot per week. Not trying to get super huge, Mostly for fat lose and TRT, I am getting some size increases.
I have personally noticed that when I was doing Sust 250 + Deca 280mg I did not have any issues with my joints hurting. Now that I ran out of Deca and just using Sust, my joints ache more.
I have also noticed that Deca does not lower your Testosterone levels. When I had my tested, is was over 7k. My doc about flipped his lid.
I will go back to Sust + Deca e4d on my next cycle. I have also not had much in the way of water retation. I do have both Novlelex, Climid and Aromiadex
I also brew my own gear, and have had no issues. However, seems like the past few weeks, the shots has been more painful than normal.

[benniesmash]

great info thanks

[DALLAS147852]

Good info - thanx !

[Woody1911]

Awesome info. Im just starting to get back into it after 10 yrs.

[Direwolf1227]

Ttt

[Tyson086]

Unreal amount of info for someone like myself only getting started... good stuff

[Patty_Mac253]

What's the reasoning behind dosing the Dbol in divided dosages throughout the day? In cycle option 2 you reccomend Dbol 30mg/day but divided into 4 equal doses 1 before bed if I have 25mg pills of Dbol split them into qtr pieces?

[thebear]

What's the reasoning behind dosing the Dbol in divided dosages throughout the day? In cycle option 2 you reccomend Dbol 30mg/day but divided into 4 equal doses 1 before bed if I have 25mg pills of Dbol split them into qtr pieces?

Because of its half life

[EmilioFr]

Starting test cyp soon. I’m looking to only do 100mg per week. I scored low normal on a free testosterone test. I took the test because I have all the symptoms of low T. Any thing I should monitor with low amount of test cyp? I used steroid outlet


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[Patty_Mac253]

What days would you inject the test e? What is the best way to pin to get the esters and test to peak at the correct times?

[Mattymoo]

Yeah..your dick. Lol
It depends how you respond
I would pull bloods before you start so you have a record of what you normally function at.
I wouldn't be jumping on an AI as you may not need it and it can crash your Estrogen.
I would bump it up to at least 150-200mg but thats me

[Mattymoo]

Long Esters such as TestE of Cyp is usually pinned twice a week such as Mon and Thur.
Pinning in glutes or quads rotating each side
Orals can be shelved for quicker absorption

[Caviness81]

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