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STEROID
11-21-2011, 12:46 AM
More Cycle Protocols If this is your first time around I implore you to go with just a Test only cycle (d-bol is fine to add), combine that with a 4000-5000 calorie a day strict clean diet, along with 8 hours of good sleep every night, and last but not least a sound training program that kicks your ass. You will be amazed by the results. Wait to begin stacking until you know how you react to the Test.


BULKING CYCLES

What should be your first cycle...Test only
Week 1-10 400-500mg Test Enth or Cyp. (2 shots per week)
PCT (14 days after last shot for Enth., 18 days for Cyp)
Day 1 300mg Clomid, Day 2-11 100mg clomid, day 12-21 50mg clomid
Week 13-15 20mg Nolva ED

Possible additions...
Week 1-4 D-bol 25-35 mg ED (spread throughout day at 3-4 hour intervals)
Week 1-12 .25mg or L-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)
Week 1-12 10mg Nolva ED (if you are prone to gyno, not if you simply think you are prone)

The longer esters (Enth or Cyp) of Test are more ideal for a first cycle based on the fact that this should be your first time pinning yourself. As such having to jab 1-2 times per week would be more easily accomplished then Prop with ED injects. The D-bol is optional as a kick start to the cycle before the Test kicks in. I prefer PCT with a CLomid and Nolva combo, some might say this is overkill and if you are one of them then Clomid only is fine as outlined above.

Second Stack...add 1 new compound
Week 1-4 25-35mg D-bol ED (spread throughout day at 3-4 hour intervals)
Week 1-12 500mg Test Enth or Cyp. (2 shots per week)
Week 1-11 400mg Deca or EQ (2 shots per week)
PCT (21 days after last shot of Deca or EQ)
Same PCT as above, Clomid and Nolva

Possible additions...
Week 1-14 100-200mg Vitamin B6 ED (to keep Deca gyno at bay)
Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)
Week 1-14 .25mg or L-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)

Keeping with the standard "Test as the base of all cycles" rule, simply add 1 new compound with each additional cycle. Because as witht he Test in the first cycle, you never know how your body will react. Deca is great for adding bulk during a cycle as well as lubricating the joints to prevent against injury, EQ is a great substitute for Deca.

Third stack...add 1 new compound
Week 1-4 25-35mg D-bol ED (spread throughout day at 3-4 hour intervals)
Week 1-12 500mg Test Enth, Cyp.(2 shots per week) , Or Sustanon (preferably shot EOD)
Week 1-11 400mg Deca or EQ (2 shots per week)
Week 8-14 50mg Winny ED
PCT (21 days after last shot with Deca/1 day after last Winny shot/tab)
Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

Possible additions...
Week 1-14 100-200mg Vitamin B6 ED (to keep Deca gyno at bay)
Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)
Week 1-14 .25mg or L-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)

In this cycle, the next addition/possibility was two-fold.
1) The option of using Sustanon, a blend of 4 different Test esters, all with different half-lives that make this option best used EOD. Some good gains have been made with 2 jabs per week but that does not take full advantage of the esters and negates the reason for using Sust.
2) Winny is good for those who are looking to "harden up" towards the end of a wet cycle such as Test/Deca/D-bol. It doesn't provide much in the area of mass gains but can make your physique look more cut up, provided your bf% is low enough.

Fourth Stack...add 1 new compound
Week 1-4 25-35mg D-bol ED
Week 1-12 500mg Test Enth, Cyp. (2 shots per week), Or Sustanon (shot EOD)
Week 1-11 200mg Deca with a large frontload or 400mg EQ
Week 7-12 or 9-14 50-75mg Tren Acetate ED or 100-150mg EOD
PCT (21 days after last shot with Deca/Sust or 3 days after last Tren shot)
Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

Possible additions...
Week 1-14 200mg Vitamin B6 ED (to keep Deca/Tren gyno at bay)
Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)
Week 1-14 .25mg or L-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)

Ahhh, the the moment we have all been waiting for the introduction of Tren into a cycle (not really though as Tren and its side effects are not for everyone). IMO, start slow with the Tren, either do 50mg ED or 100mg EOD...if necessary (which it probably won't be) push it up to 75mg ED or 150mg EOD. I really like the idea of lubricating the joints with Deca when using Tren. Who wants to tear up the tendons and ligaments from those tremendous strength increases, possibly run something on the order of 200mg per week with a large frontload the first few weeks agains, EQ can be substituted for the Deca.

STEROID
11-21-2011, 12:49 AM
CUTTING CYCLES

Any stack can work as both a bulker or cutter as diet plays the most important part in deciding this, some compounds are simply prefered for one or the other for certain properties. Ex. D-bol=massive water retention, Winny=dry, lean gains

First cutting cycle...Test only
Week 1-8 50-75mg Test Prop ED or 100-150mg EOD (ideally ED not EOD)
PCT (2 Days after last shot)
Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

Possible additions...
Week 1-8 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)

For cutting, less bloat is desirable, as such Test Prop is the choice to go with. Idealy, it should be shot ED though results can still be seen with EOD jabs.

Second cutting stack...add 1 new item
Week 1-8 75mg Test Prop ED or 150mg EOD (ideally ED not EOD)
Week 3-8 50mg Winny ED
PCT (2 Days after last shot/tab)
Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

Possible additions...
Week 1-8 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)

Again, Test Prop with the addition of some Winny for its "hardening" effect. For Winny, the route of its administration is entriely up to you. Many users report Winny to be a very annoying/burning compound to pin. As such, though the bioavailability will decrease slightly, oral administration is better unless you have something to dilute the Winny with such as your daily Test Prop injection.

Third cutting stack...add 1 new item
Week 1-8 50-75mg Test Prop ED or 150mg EOD (ideally ED not EOD)
Week 1-8 50mg Tren Acetate ED or 100mg EOD
PCT (2 Days after last shot of Prop, 3 days after last shot of Tren)
Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

Test Prop and Tren Ace can be used as a cutter, but the Test/Tren combo is so strong that you can bulk like crazy while droping some bf% as Tren seems to have some properties that help with VAT fat burning (as does Anavar).

CLOSING STATEMENTS:

With that said...as you can tell most of the cycles utilize many of the same compounds. Other compounds can be used to replace some such as...Anadrol in place of D-bol for more experienced users. More exotic/expensive compounds such as Anavar would be a great addition to just about any cycle. Also there are many different esters of almost all of the injectable steroids...they can be substituted in the place of their cousins already listed with the appropriate pinning schedule revisions. (Ex. Tren Enth in place of Tren Acetate or Nandrolone Phenylprop in place of Deca).

STEROID
11-21-2011, 12:56 AM
Now all of these cycles are just guidelines and are not set in stone.EVERYONE will react differently to different compounds and dosages so you will only know what works right for "YOU" by trial and error.There is NO MAGIC CYCLE for everyone.Whats works great for me may not for another or what gives me no negative sides may give unbearable sides to someone else so you will always have to learn to read your body and know when to change things up.

Another note is to ALWAYS have blood work done.I always have blood work done before,DURING and after my cycles.This is the only way to know whats going on with your body while cycling and let you make changes before any serious health issues can arise.I keep records of my blood tests from the past and can compare the results as I age to determine the status of my health compared to when I was younger.Be honest with your doctor and tell him/her about your AAS use.They cannot legally divulge this information to anyone including LE so tell them of everything you are doing so they will know what to look for and better interpret your blood tests.

martin
01-16-2012, 04:32 PM
I just started my first cycle am using Test E at 250mg a week and eating 4000 cals a day of good clean foods. I am also taking all my vitamins and supplements. Should i up my dose to 500 a week? Am on my second week now at 250mg

Anxious1
01-16-2012, 05:12 PM
Yes bro! Up your test to 500mg. 250mg, is hardly going to do anything for you unless you need it as TRT. Up the dosage, and keep eating those clean foods! You'll love it!

Mountain Monster
01-16-2012, 05:45 PM
I just started my first cycle am using Test E at 250mg a week and eating 4000 cals a day of good clean foods. I am also taking all my vitamins and supplements. Should i up my dose to 500 a week? Am on my second week now at 250mgdefinitely bump it up to 500,anxious1 is right,you won't even know@250.

STEROID
01-21-2012, 07:49 PM
I just started my first cycle am using Test E at 250mg a week and eating 4000 cals a day of good clean foods. I am also taking all my vitamins and supplements. Should i up my dose to 500 a week? Am on my second week now at 250mg

It all depends brother.Give it till the 3rd or 4th week and see how the gain start to come in.500mg is usually a starting point for many is is always recommended but not necessary for some.If you're on 250mg now,I would stick with it and see how well you gain from it.If not than you can always up it.Depending on how long your cycle will be(which I would go no less than 12 wks) there will be plenty of time to up the dose and not waste the cycle.I know in this thread it suggests 400-500mg ew but its ok to start out @ 250mg ew to see how you react from it.Gains,sides,etc.

500mg ew is a very safe and mild cycle for most but if you've already planned out and bought enough gear for a cycle of 250mg ew,then you can stick with it and just up it next cycle if you like.

tilltheend
01-21-2012, 09:22 PM
I would love to use some test p, var, tren, and proviron.

LexLuger
07-12-2012, 11:07 PM
Nice Info.!!

smurfnu469
07-16-2012, 12:32 PM
Great read bro.

crush
07-19-2012, 04:00 AM
Awesome posts. I love all this info.
This is the best board around.

kcin1035
07-19-2012, 04:27 AM
Looks good! Great info man

Laughter
07-21-2012, 12:43 AM
Considering this.Except the to 19 nors at the same time and would throw in caber. On the fourth stack.

smurfnu469
07-28-2012, 11:28 AM
Great Info FIST!

deathdodger
07-28-2012, 12:47 PM
This is some good information.

scottydont1488
08-13-2012, 03:31 AM
Great info, nice read!

1tuffcookie
08-14-2012, 01:48 PM
This is great stuff, Thanks FIST.....

topp jimie
08-14-2012, 04:03 PM
Nice Article! I Liked The 4th Bulk stack.My Next Cycle will close to that.i'm going with sust,deca,winny.will follow this outlined protocol!

STEROID
09-02-2012, 10:25 PM
Great info, nice read!


This is great stuff, Thanks FIST.....


Nice Article! I Liked The 4th Bulk stack.My Next Cycle will close to that.i'm going with sust,deca,winny.will follow this outlined protocol!


Thank you gentlemen.Glad you found it useful.

Gymace,post up how things go once you try out the cycle.

gusgus
12-11-2012, 12:38 AM
dude... awesome

Camzilla
12-11-2012, 01:04 AM
Its my First cycle with tren. Use ace, test prop, mast. 75/75/75. Lets see how far this rabbit hole goes hahahaha!

Shit has some pip, but then, I aint no pro brewer. Just some guy who wants to be the boss lol.

MasterofMass
12-11-2012, 03:57 AM
Wow what a great post!

MasterofMass
12-11-2012, 03:58 AM
Deca or NPP really helps. I always try to run atleast a low dose of it to help out with my joints. Good stuff bro!

BIG_NICE
02-03-2013, 04:11 AM
What's the reasoning for the cutting cycles to be shorter? Anything wrong with running a longer cycle of test and winny?

Augie
04-25-2013, 10:18 PM
Love this.. makes planning my next cycles so much easier

studmuffin
04-06-2014, 09:02 PM
Good info. I will definetly use it.

Symbion1
06-15-2015, 09:35 AM
Yep takes a lot of the guess work out for me noobs!!

CHendricks
07-06-2015, 03:56 AM
Great information here

CHendricks
07-06-2015, 03:56 AM
I'm gonna deff follow this on next cycles

Annalein
07-06-2015, 02:57 PM
That was a great read but i also want to read some experiences from other persons,anyone here?

quadfather1212
06-27-2016, 12:40 PM
Great info

AENERGY
07-03-2016, 12:18 PM
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MS906
07-05-2016, 12:15 PM
Good read thanks 👍🏼

BUCK21
08-16-2016, 09:00 AM
I'll have to try some of these out, thanks! My all time favorite so far is test prop and tren ace, best cut I've had

WhatupVar
10-22-2016, 02:55 AM
This page needs to be a requirement for new people to view!! This has some good as information!

Jay0536
10-24-2016, 11:48 PM
When you talk about L-Dex for bloating, what is L-Dex? Sorry if that's a syupid question.. Just trying to learn some of the terminology.

Jsantos
12-21-2016, 08:54 PM
Good info my man!

Oldskool
08-01-2018, 08:33 PM
Ik the original poster is no longer in bop i saw the 4th cycle suggestion in the original pusssy and it reminded of a question ive had for a very long time but have never really seen a satisfactory answer.

I never actually have to ask questions cuz if you just look hard enough its akready been answered.

Well anyway, my question is what is the next best thing to tren?

I tried tren and i just can't take it.

And yes ik that there us no substitute for tren

Im just trying to find anything that could possibly compare......even if only a little...only poorly

Maybe a stack of various other compounds that could combine to somewhat mimic the overall effects of tren?

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astevens2
10-15-2018, 02:29 AM
Would like to see what some of the biggest cycles people have used on here are. Like the highest amounts of aas, hgh, slin, etc.

Hardgainer
10-15-2018, 07:00 PM
All stuff I needed. Thanks.

Alexanderwang16
07-14-2020, 11:58 PM
:Waving:

Raprichard
07-30-2020, 03:45 PM
Very good reed and very informative.


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Angelbear
08-31-2020, 03:17 PM
Very good info, in depth and no b.s.

Damnwideback90
09-24-2020, 03:43 AM
No doubt everybody responds differently. I stay away from prop when I lean out or in general. I use low dose e or c. No more then 300mg a week. 300mg mast and 30mg tbol e.d. 0.5 mg DeX e.o.d 2500 calorie high protein high fat from nuts and alvacado. Only green carbs. Is nova a better choice for a a.i when using low test?

OKlifter1983
10-20-2020, 01:28 AM
For a first cycle is Test E or Test C better? To do a 12 week cycle how much would be needed to be purchase?